**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 09 03:00:04 2018 Apr 09 07:57:00 lmart[m]: afaik no libhybris, at least not yet. for example Xorg is really slow. Apr 09 07:57:23 there was some announcement that we would get 4.x kernel at some point, that might help things Apr 09 08:16:06 cos-, there is, but not utilized by DEs Apr 09 08:17:09 i suppose the gles-patched qt & gtk are required for that Apr 09 09:01:28 not patched, just rebuild with proper options as Debian defaults to desktop OpenGL for some reason Apr 09 09:02:13 but mine xf86-video-hwcomposer driver also needs improvements, like rendering in separate thread Apr 09 09:03:27 also there is weird thing that Xorg + glamor on Mali turns out to be slower for 2D rendering than unaccelerated Xorg (see https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rk-rootfs-build/issues/25#issuecomment-336331735) Apr 09 09:05:13 yet glamor makes it easier to integrate OpenGL ES buffers from apps, so it's currently used Apr 09 10:08:27 Copying from facebook, 'cos it seems sort of important, potentially, for a couple of people in here :) Apr 09 10:08:33 IMPORTANT FOR ALL BACKERS WITH KEYBOARD PROBLEMS!!! Apr 09 10:08:34 Planet have just received replacement keyboard mats to send to backers who have already emailed them about issues with their Gemini. Please can you email robin@planetcom.co.uk asap! He is flying to China later today but might be able to post some mats before leaving if he gets your full address details by 1pm (UTC) today. Apr 09 10:08:36 Failing that, the replacement mats will be sent next weekend, as soon as Planet staff return from China. Apr 09 10:44:38 robin -> China == survey end of second run ? Apr 09 10:45:29 Yup :) Apr 09 11:02:02 my unit should be in that run *anticiption rises* Apr 09 11:03:29 me too...it's been a loooong wait....can't wait to get mine. My colleagues think I made this device up as the ETA has shifted so many times! Apr 09 11:21:45 Kero: Tracker thing says "Your unit is currently being produced and will be with you around mid April 2018", so yup, kind of vibratey about this, too ;) Apr 09 11:33:48 same; taking the mid-april with a grain of salt, tho. Apr 09 11:38:39 *nods* Heading out now to oversee assembly, so i'm guessing they'll be freighting them here start of next week, taking us to the end of that week for arrival, and then repacking for delivery, then a week through hermes and then... yup, late April sounds more right :) Apr 09 11:38:43 But, hey, i can deal :) Apr 09 11:48:02 that keyboard mat replacement sounds very promising Apr 09 12:04:48 it's so tiring to see comments like this in the thenextweb review "Tonight we're going to crunch spreadsheets like it's 1999." Apr 09 12:05:07 why bother writing the review if you joke about the device right in the beginning Apr 09 12:05:41 "tonight we're going to miss the point like we're a person on the lower half of the internet" ;) Apr 09 12:06:15 it just shows you the reviewer doesn't "get it" Apr 09 12:06:45 i kind of want to trawl them and pull out comments to make a Dave Gorman style found poem thing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTZmDPhJ5NM :) Apr 09 12:07:35 well the latter part of the review is praise Apr 09 12:07:36 has anyone here used the linux flashing tool successfully? Apr 09 12:08:12 TheKit said the newest-1 version would work. no guarantees Apr 09 12:08:28 18:09 < TheKit> SP_Flash_Tool_v5.1752 should be new enough as well Apr 09 12:15:24 myeah, there's that. An ancient Windows 7 on a USB2-only laptop is not what I want to flash my Gemini with. Apr 09 12:15:42 "The keyboard is a more compact than what you’d get on a laptop, so you can pretty much forget about touch-typing with both hands." what does that mean? Apr 09 12:16:21 someone failing to unlearn full-size touch-typing in the time it took to write a review Apr 09 12:18:34 akik: it is annoying having to remember to hover your fingers over the keys (I get random extra letters if I do my usual fingers lightly resting on the home keys) Apr 09 12:20:06 do you mean the keys register touch without a press? Apr 09 12:20:48 well press and press, I find when reaching for another letter one of my other fingers will increase its pressure by a tiny amount, not enough to register on a psion but does on gemini Apr 09 12:21:32 just tested this, the keys require very little force to be pushed Apr 09 12:22:08 you can move fingers on the keyboard but must be careful not to push by accident Apr 09 12:24:47 presumably they have to have them light touch so that they can be squashed down on close, I really don't think the extra half mm they saved was worth it Apr 09 12:25:55 be interesting to hear back from anyone who gets a new mat/next batch if thats any better there or if it just fixes the wobbly keys Apr 09 12:45:07 where was the linux flasher tool? i can't guess right search keywords.. Apr 09 12:46:09 cos-: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Linux_Support Apr 09 12:46:46 i mean the tool, not image Apr 09 12:47:07 cos-: #2 on the page has a link to the flashing tool Apr 09 12:48:30 yes, that is a windows application Apr 09 12:49:41 there is supposed to be a linux tool that should also work, but it's very poorly documented. i think the link was in facebook in some discussion.. Apr 09 12:54:00 cos-: maybe this? https://spflashtool.com/ Apr 09 12:54:20 yep, that was it Apr 09 12:57:44 cos-: you going to try it? Apr 09 12:58:13 yep, just downloaded SP_Flash_Tool_v5.1744 Apr 09 12:58:34 make a video :) Apr 09 13:00:36 maybe if it's successful Apr 09 13:00:47 the tool looks exactly like the windows version Apr 09 13:03:22 downloading the linux + android image now, i don't have it on this pc Apr 09 13:13:18 is the scatter file always the same for gemini, or does it depend on which os's are installed etc? Apr 09 13:40:56 downloads complete, but i gotta go for few hours.. i'll try to finish the test later today Apr 09 14:12:54 cos-: try to figure out what caused your android partition to fail to boot last time (by checking if it still works after each step you suspect might cause problems) Apr 09 14:39:21 cos-, scatter is like partition table Apr 09 14:42:36 TheKit: so it changes according to if you have only android or if you have android + linux? Apr 09 14:42:57 correct Apr 09 15:08:42 TheKit: can you read the scatter information from the device? Apr 09 15:09:13 still waiting for my gemini. should arrive later this month Apr 09 15:10:29 akik, not directly, you can read GPT partition table on device and use the information to recreate scatter if needed Apr 09 15:12:36 so it's possible somebody has created a script to convert from gpt to scatter Apr 09 16:55:51 readback successful from linux, although i got only 4.1kb of data as ROM_0 Apr 09 17:00:18 i think i'd need to set the start address & length same as windows tool has to get proper file Apr 09 17:10:08 now flashing.. so far looks good Apr 09 17:12:35 Flash.... a-ah, saviour of the universe! Apr 09 17:12:36 It's what I always sing while flashing a device... Apr 09 17:16:31 android boots successfully Apr 09 17:18:17 linux not -> goes to dead android + "no command" Apr 09 17:21:09 i also can't get to twrp which i flashed to recovery Apr 09 17:34:57 Gonna try it with the Windows version of the tool then, cos- ? Apr 09 17:35:09 yep, that's next Apr 09 17:35:55 i think linux flashing is quite close .. the tool itself seems to work perfectly Apr 09 17:38:03 Probably just slightly different partition settings then - you could take a photo of the settings presented in Windows and see if they match up with [or tweak] the Linux settings.... Apr 09 17:38:59 i think the data on download tab comes from scatter file Apr 09 17:39:00 (not that I'm reading your FB post or anything... ;) ) Apr 09 18:09:40 ok, failed exactly the same way on windows. i suppose twrp is the cause. Apr 09 18:10:38 is this guide correct? https://geminiplanet.com/2018/04/07/how-to-install-debian-linux-on-the-gemini/ Apr 09 18:11:31 i put the twrp .img file to the recovery and flashed as usual.. but dead android on all but android boot Apr 09 18:12:51 the twrp also has it's own scatter file, but using that makes a completely non-booting device Apr 09 18:22:36 ok, something is now wrong with my device. even flashing the standard android+linux image causes dead android on linux boot Apr 09 18:31:33 Android itself still booting/working? Apr 09 18:32:06 yes Apr 09 18:39:09 that's something. Does the flashtool install the bootloader? Apr 09 18:41:56 i suppose so if it's the 'boot' location path Apr 09 18:44:16 no idea. Did the tool make a backup of your original system? Can it make such a backup? Apr 09 18:49:12 no Apr 09 19:28:00 hm. this pre_load thing would be the bootloader. presumably it configures something and then kicks of uboot, which would then be a secondary bootloader. Apr 09 19:30:46 from some dim memory, ARM simply starts executing address 0x0 from flash (thus avoiding the need for a BIOS), I suppose on our modern CPU, one execution engine still does that, and the others are off until activated by the OS. Apr 09 19:36:28 makes me wonder what the spflash tool is actually talking to -- and whether it is overwriting pre_load (somehow I hope not) and/or uboot (very likely). Apr 09 21:01:34 linux not -> goes to dead android + "no command" Apr 09 21:01:42 it means it booted recovery Apr 09 21:01:47 maybe different key combination? Apr 09 21:01:55 or did you flash lk from Android package? Apr 09 21:03:22 *stock recovery instead of TWRP you flashed Apr 09 21:21:15 what's "recovery" anyway? it's not gonna be anything like init=/bin/sh, or booting an OS from a live-USB.... Apr 09 21:45:26 android has a concept of a recovery image Apr 09 21:45:43 for example, twrp Apr 09 21:45:56 it can replace the basic android recovery Apr 09 21:46:10 any new software updates for android released by PC? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 10 03:00:02 2018