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Apr 16 04:19:09 <Captain_Harlock[> I wasn't aware it had magnets. That's kinda sad. I loved the design of the Psion Revo, in that it didn't have magnets, but held closed extremely well.
Apr 16 07:40:15 <cos-> it kind of sucks that gemini's magnetometer doesn't work.. some niche apps would use it. for example heavens above would show sky chart rotated to direction you are facing.
Apr 16 07:42:04 <razumihin> You cannot enable it yourself?
Apr 16 07:42:15 <razumihin> I understood that it was just disabled in the software.
Apr 16 07:42:19 <canny[m]> cos-: It rules out using the Gemini as a Nautical Compass on my boat - I may have to keep my Nexus 6P for that purpose  : (
Apr 16 07:42:29 <cos-> i could enable it, but it still wouldn't work due to magnets
Apr 16 07:42:47 <VartiWork> can the magnets be removed?
Apr 16 07:42:51 <razumihin> Ok, i just thought that there was some slight issue with it, not major problems.
Apr 16 07:42:56 <VartiWork> i.e. are they easily accessible?
Apr 16 07:43:02 <cos-> VartiWork: hmm, good question
Apr 16 07:43:21 <razumihin> canny[m]: I would feel pretty unsafe without mechanical compass on a boat :D
Apr 16 07:43:45 <VartiWork> if removed, the lid would probably not keep closed anymore, but it's worth trying IMHO
Apr 16 07:44:13 <cos-> canny[m]: gemini is not weather proof at all, i wouldn't take it on a boat anyway..
Apr 16 07:44:47 <cos-> i wouldn't use it in rain
Apr 16 07:45:54 <razumihin> Kind of sad that there's no weatherproofing, but then again it's pretty hard to make weatherproof small keyboard that has a good feedback.
Apr 16 07:46:05 <canny[m]> razumihin: if I ever went out of sight of the harbour, it would be more of a concern - it's mostly an aesthetic thing!
Apr 16 07:46:06 <canny[m]> cos- I use waterproof bags when going out fishing, or taking friends and family out on a tour of Belfast Lough - I like to listen to PodCasts when out fishing alone...
Apr 16 07:46:52 <razumihin> canny[m]: Yeah, I normally sail with a over 30 year old sailingboat with no electronics so my boating might be pretty different ;)
Apr 16 07:47:31 <razumihin> Well, there is the starter motor for the diesel engine and some lights of course.
Apr 16 07:48:00 <canny[m]> razumihin: aah, old skool - with sails?  (never learned how to 'tack' - I've only had outboard boats)
Apr 16 07:48:24 <razumihin> Yeah, mostly with sails. The engine is there for parking in bad conditions.
Apr 16 07:48:47 <razumihin> it mostly has been broken last couple of years anyway :D
Apr 16 07:50:13 <canny[m]> but yeah, using a waterproof bag for my gadgets isn't going to work with the Gemini due to the form factor.  I shall leave it at home to be a land-lubber!
Apr 16 07:54:16 * VartiWork did a two weeks course sailing an Optimist dinghy, and really enjoyed it
Apr 16 07:54:58 <devyl[m]> yeah... the checker was updated :)
Apr 16 07:55:50 <cos-> i've been on a sailboat once in my life, was fun.. i do sailing in air though
Apr 16 07:56:17 <razumihin> Sailing planes?
Apr 16 07:56:33 <cos-> yep
Apr 16 07:56:44 <razumihin> I think i'll try it some day.
Apr 16 07:56:51 <razumihin> I've heard that it's fun.
Apr 16 07:56:57 <devyl[m]> ^^
Apr 16 07:57:05 <razumihin> But i'm not sure do i need to first get rid of eyeglasses.
Apr 16 07:57:14 <cos-> i can recommend.. we have several water sailors in our club, the hobbies seem to be somehow related.
Apr 16 07:57:40 <razumihin> Yeah, my father-in-law has tried both.
Apr 16 07:57:52 <canny[m]> piloting?  cool...like small engine props?
Apr 16 07:57:52 <canny[m]> (always fancied trying that....but it's an expensive hobby)
Apr 16 07:57:59 <cos-> eyeglasses are not a problem unless they are super-thick.. if you can get a driver's license, it's probably ok
Apr 16 07:58:03 <razumihin> I think he went flying once or twice and was thrilled.
Apr 16 07:58:19 <razumihin> Yeah. I've got pretty low specs.
Apr 16 07:58:41 <razumihin> But i still have so many things in my bucket list that flying will wait ;
Apr 16 07:59:05 <cos-> the medical requirements are about the same for driver's license, except you can't have bad diabetes or other diseases that may cause loss of consciousness suddenly
Apr 16 07:59:34 <cos-> and of course as a passenger on a trial flight with instructor none applies
Apr 16 07:59:56 <razumihin> Yeah.
Apr 16 08:00:47 <razumihin> I think I'll propably love flying, but I have so many hobbies already that I really need more time :)
Apr 16 08:01:09 <cos-> i've got a few gliding videos on my youtube channel here https://www.youtube.com/user/cos4242/videos
Apr 16 08:02:17 <razumihin> Nice.
Apr 16 08:02:18 <cos-> yep, it's very time consuming. you go to airfield for a day at least. on the other hand it's relaxing to get away from normal life.
Apr 16 08:02:53 <razumihin> Yeah, I just already have one ridiculously expensive hobby (horses)
Apr 16 08:02:55 <cos-> we have a nice hotel & restaurant at the airfield, so i like spending several days there during summer
Apr 16 08:03:31 <razumihin> Where's your airfield located?
Apr 16 08:03:50 <cos-> Jämijärvi, Finland
Apr 16 08:03:55 <cos-> icao code EFJM
Apr 16 08:04:40 <razumihin> Yeah, so far away from my point, but nice if you're at tampere.
Apr 16 08:04:53 <razumihin> I have a half an hour trip to the new pyhtää airport i think.
Apr 16 08:05:07 <cos-> we had nice jet competition last week, the video shows the surroundings well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX8e5_WVVBQ
Apr 16 08:05:35 <razumihin> Cool.
Apr 16 08:06:07 <razumihin> My friends father built a model jet when we were kids.
Apr 16 08:06:18 <razumihin> I think in the late 90's or soe.
Apr 16 08:06:39 <cos-> pulsejet maybe? modern jet engines were not available in 90's.. or they costed a fortune
Apr 16 08:06:44 <razumihin> I don't know if it ever finished.
Apr 16 08:06:50 <razumihin> I think so.
Apr 16 08:07:08 <razumihin> He was a mechanical engineer and made many of the parts himself.
Apr 16 08:07:37 <cos-> some built jet engines from truck turbos, but i don't know if they were powerful enough to lift anything in air..
Apr 16 08:07:53 <razumihin> Yeah.
Apr 16 08:08:52 <razumihin> Never seen one up close myself. Might be interesting.
Apr 16 08:09:38 <cos-> they are really cool. we have a small but active rc jet scene in Finland, and they fly at Jämi regularly.
Apr 16 08:09:56 <razumihin> Do the modern model plane controllers have a camera link to the planes or still by sight?
Apr 16 08:10:20 <cos-> jets are flown by line of sight, video links are way too unreliable
Apr 16 08:10:42 <razumihin> Ok. I was thinking about landing mostly :)
Apr 16 08:11:13 <razumihin> As i can't imagine how hard it is to orient yourself to land it properly with sight from the side.
Apr 16 08:11:52 <cos-> not so difficult. and way much easier than trying to look at grainy video screen :-)
Apr 16 08:11:58 <razumihin> :)
Apr 16 08:12:22 <razumihin> Well only experience of landing that I have is from flight simulators so :)
Apr 16 08:12:36 <Kero> "Your unit is now produced, is currently being packaged for shipping to you in April 2018"
Apr 16 08:12:43 <cos-> first person video is used mainly on cheap quadcopters & electric planes
Apr 16 08:13:54 <canny[m]> Kero: same here - what are the chances we will get our units within the two week timeframe?  (wouldn't bet my life savings on it, that's for sure!)
Apr 16 08:14:11 <razumihin> Hmm did you get a mail or something+
Apr 16 08:15:34 <canny[m]> razumihin: no, just using the tracker at http://planetcom.co.uk:8080 - it's been updated this morning
Apr 16 08:15:35 <Kero> 09:54 < devyl[m]> yeah... the checker was updated :)
Apr 16 08:15:45 <razumihin> Oh, ok.
Apr 16 08:16:31 <razumihin> Yeah, got the same status.
Apr 16 08:16:54 <Kero> but i'm interpreting shipping from china to uk first; not single-unit packaging and shipping uk-nl
Apr 16 08:17:09 <razumihin> Propably yes.
Apr 16 08:17:22 <razumihin> Though it would be cheaper to ship straight from china.
Apr 16 08:17:38 <razumihin> But I'm not sure how the customs clearances would go if you individually ship them.
Apr 16 08:23:02 <canny[m]> Update 53 is just out:
Apr 16 08:23:03 <canny[m]> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device--2/x/17747136#/updates/all
Apr 16 08:23:44 <varti[m]> thanks canny
Apr 16 08:30:35 <razumihin> Nice to get it at last.
Apr 16 08:30:47 <razumihin> Hey, btw what kind of car holders are you using for gemini?
Apr 16 08:31:42 <razumihin> I've got the new duster and I was thinking of mounting gemini over the default radio as a navigator.
Apr 16 08:36:03 <cos-> i don't see the point in mounting gemini in a car. the keyboard is only on the way.
Apr 16 08:40:57 <Kero> I don't have a car to hold the gemini
Apr 16 08:41:58 <regtools> looks like the order checker cannae take the strain captain
Apr 16 08:42:23 <Rogalian> Indeed
Apr 16 08:42:25 <Rogalian> Hnng
Apr 16 08:50:57 <fakefur> yay! apparently the tracker has been updated!! but it doesn't load now :(
Apr 16 08:51:14 <fakefur> i think they are running the website on an early prototype of a gemini
Apr 16 09:03:14 <canny[m]> regtools: Ye 'canny' change the laws of bandwidth!
Apr 16 09:09:00 <Rogalian> Ahh its up now
Apr 16 09:09:08 <Rogalian> My unit is produced :)
Apr 16 09:09:23 <Rogalian> Being packaged o/
Apr 16 09:09:35 <fakefur> whoa! mine too
Apr 16 09:10:07 <Rogalian> Second batch powah
Apr 16 09:10:11 <moon127> Still scheduled for production in April for delivery Mid-May for me - same as pre update.
Apr 16 09:10:23 <fakefur> mine is 3259
Apr 16 09:10:40 <leinir> "Your unit is now produced, is currently being packaged for shipping to you in April 2018"
Apr 16 09:10:57 <moon127> ah yeah I'm 5931
Apr 16 09:11:04 <leinir> noish :D
Apr 16 09:11:07 <canny[m]> 2915 - and produced!  it's just gotta wing it's way half-way around the world now...
Apr 16 09:11:20 <fakefur> canny - scotland?
Apr 16 09:11:46 <canny[m]> close, fakefur - Northern Ireland!
Apr 16 09:12:06 <fakefur> nice
Apr 16 09:12:18 <Rogalian> 2620, backed as soon as I found out about the project
Apr 16 09:12:27 <fakefur> Rogalian, me too
Apr 16 09:14:08 <razumihin> cos-: Well the keyboard is in the way, but I don't care if it comes over the radio.
Apr 16 09:14:25 <fakefur> hmmmmmm maybe the tracker can only be updated after a prod run and they see whose order can be fulfilled
Apr 16 09:14:58 <razumihin> I just think it might be nice to have the gemini provide the navigation/multimedia capabilities so I'd not need to buy an additional android radio for the car.
Apr 16 09:15:31 <cos-> razumihin: so you mean to remove it when you leave the car?
Apr 16 09:15:36 <razumihin> Yeah
Apr 16 09:15:46 <razumihin> So some kind of magnetic holder might be the way.
Apr 16 09:16:21 <fakefur> razumihin, magnetic holders and digital storage together make me nervous
Apr 16 09:16:23 <Rogalian> Magnets tend to cause havoc with compass - does the Gemini have one exposed?
Apr 16 09:16:31 <razumihin> I normally don't like to use any gadgets while driving and I listen audibooks from my phone with headphones so the default radio is pretty useless for me anyway.
Apr 16 09:17:04 <cos-> Rogalian: gemini's compass is havoced by magnets so it's disabled.
Apr 16 09:17:08 <razumihin> So if I need to navigate it would be nice to be able to put the gemini there.
Apr 16 09:17:15 <fakefur> i guarantee mine will attempt delivery when i'm away next week in portugal
Apr 16 09:17:17 <fakefur> *sigh
Apr 16 09:17:50 <razumihin> :)
Apr 16 09:17:58 <razumihin> So now we all know the delivery time!
Apr 16 09:18:14 <canny[m]> fakefur: yep, Murphy's Law seems strongest when waiting for a delivery...
Apr 16 09:18:19 <fakefur> razumihin, yes - it is whenever you are out / away
Apr 16 09:19:11 <razumihin> fakefur: Yeah. Luckily i live in middle of nowhere and the deliveries are always made by the same guy who knows where to leave my packets ;)
Apr 16 09:19:22 <razumihin> ...so he's on sickleave when gemini arrives.
Apr 16 09:19:30 <fakefur> razumihin, hahaha
Apr 16 09:21:15 <Kero> not at home first week of May. Guess when I predict delivery will be attempted ;)
Apr 16 09:28:05 * canny[m] starts tracking Rrazumihins's movements to try and work out where the postman usually leaves his packages....and hatches a cunning plan...
Apr 16 10:14:27 <razumihin> canny[m]: :)
Apr 16 11:09:44 <regtools> packaged for shipping in April for me, which is surprising as I am wifi only and didn't think they had them ready yet
Apr 16 11:11:40 <regtools> not "locked" on indiegogo yet though
Apr 16 11:11:43 <canny[m]> regtools: didn't think so either - from what I read, the wifi units would be produced after the second 4G run...
Apr 16 11:12:36 <regtools> maybe they've b*ll*cksed up and will send me a 4G :D
Apr 16 11:17:46 <canny[m]> I'm guessing that wouldn't be a bad thing - you could always just ignore the SIM slot!
Apr 16 11:31:04 <akik> https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/01/jolla-sailfish-os-team-interview-mwc/
Apr 16 12:47:30 <Captain_Harlock[> With the latest Gemini update, They said they updated the perk checker. Mine now says it has been produced, and will be shipping soon. Order in the 16** range.
Apr 16 12:57:27 <akik> same here, 22xx
Apr 16 12:59:24 <akik> 4g model
Apr 16 13:06:25 <Kero> never heard PC state that wifi-only would be later, but I heard a lot of rumours. I'm wifi-only 26xx, and the checker has mine as "produced".
Apr 16 14:40:00 <canny[m]> 29XX - and apparently produced
Apr 16 14:41:53 <akik> party time! excellent!
Apr 16 18:01:46 <WorkingClassDev> Weird Kero because there is a post on the facebook group saying they haven't been made yet and will be started at the end of april for shipping mid may.  As far as I can tell from the pasted email from Robin Wifi Only haven't been tooled or the SMT built yet
Apr 16 18:03:34 <WorkingClassDev> "I've been in contact with Robin about WiFi units. Tl;dr production planned to start end of April.
Apr 16 18:03:36 <WorkingClassDev> Robin:
Apr 16 18:03:38 <WorkingClassDev> "So in terms of the WiFi units, we had to group them all together in one batch [ratio 4G:WiFi = 85:15]. So the current production run is only for 4G units. The production run thereafter, which was scheduled to start end of April with SMT would have the WiFi units (1k of them) in there. That would cover all backer units (hopefully!) and have spares.""
Apr 16 18:03:55 <WorkingClassDev> can't link because I dont have a FB account
Apr 16 18:22:20 <Kero> well, that at least explains where the 'rumours' come from. As I expect it, there won't be 2 designs, the difference is whether mediatek enables or disables 4G. If the factory can handle the info, no need for a separate run.
Apr 16 18:23:01 <Kero> but hey, I'll be prepared for disappointment if I don't get my unit from the 2nd run.
Apr 16 19:25:34 <akik> WorkingClassDev: click the date/time in the fb post
Apr 16 19:26:32 <akik> then you'll get a page which you can link here
Apr 16 21:28:36 <WorkingClassDev> can;t, no fb account
Apr 16 21:29:00 <WorkingClassDev> i know its hard to understand but i simply do not have/want a fb account
Apr 16 21:31:53 <akik> you don't need a fb account to do that
Apr 16 21:32:00 <akik> i don't have either
Apr 16 21:32:12 <akik> those sneaky bastards
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