**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 03 03:00:05 2018
May 03 04:12:25 <MonkeyofDoom> anyone tried the Plasma DE on DebianTP? keys like 'e' and 'n' don't work in it for me
May 03 04:12:49 <MonkeyofDoom> (not a hw issue, logging out works fine; they seem to get caught by some X11 program?)
May 03 04:41:02 <akik> MonkeyofDoom: can you remap them with xmodmap?
May 03 04:41:19 <akik> xmodmap -pke shows the mappings
May 03 04:45:10 <MonkeyofDoom> akik: I don't think it's a mapping problem, it looks like an X11 key grab problem
May 03 04:45:21 <MonkeyofDoom> I'll investigate later; for now I'm fine using lxqt
May 03 04:47:00 <MonkeyofDoom> does anyone know what this "/system/bin/logd" process is? it's using a fair amount of CPU according to htop
May 03 04:48:37 <MonkeyofDoom> Android userspace stuff I guess? ugh
May 03 04:51:10 <MonkeyofDoom> ugh, all this android stuff looks nasty as hell... "drmserver" and "mediadrmserver" (and that's digital restrictions, not direct rendering)
May 03 04:51:50 <MonkeyofDoom> load average chilling at 10 with only htop open :x
May 03 04:53:59 <MonkeyofDoom> pulseaudio also seems to chew CPU when there's no audio happening at all; that's going to ruin battery life
May 03 04:56:08 <akik> 10? wth
May 03 04:56:15 <MonkeyofDoom> "Android always has a high load average. If you use htop and watch the kernel threads you'll see that some of them are always D (disk wait / interruptible) despite the fact there's no I/O or they're not doing anything." via https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1523693
May 03 04:56:17 <akik> 10 cores
May 03 04:56:19 <akik> :)
May 03 04:56:22 <MonkeyofDoom> seems it may just be the android kernel being garbage
May 03 04:56:59 <MonkeyofDoom> akik: load average should be approximately 0 on an unloaded system, approximately $NCORES or a small multiple on a busy one
May 03 04:57:18 <MonkeyofDoom> but Android seems to have ugly kernel crap that makes load avg meaningless
May 03 04:57:24 <MonkeyofDoom> thanks Google
May 03 05:08:11 <MonkeyofDoom> logd appears to be continuously trying to read the cmdline and comm files from /proc entries for nonexisting processes
May 03 05:08:17 <MonkeyofDoom> great software engineering
May 03 05:11:33 <MonkeyofDoom> this dmesg output is so alien... how patched *are* mtk kernels?
May 03 05:44:50 <MonkeyofDoom> firefox doesn't seem to understand the keymap (pageup/pagedn seem to register as regular up/down)... classic "we wrote our own GUI toolkit" problems
May 03 05:48:35 <MonkeyofDoom> presumably firefox maintains its own keycode->keysym mapping rather than using the keysym from the X event!
May 03 05:48:39 <MonkeyofDoom> cripes
May 03 06:58:01 <MonkeyofDoom> bluetooth works well on Debian :)
May 03 08:02:21 <adam_b> MonkeyofDoom: I just added section to the wiki about the shortcut keys: https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/DebianTP#key-maps-and-shortcuts
May 03 16:23:31 <MonkeyofDoom> adam_b: "before the fix the shortcut key grabber was taking the entire key rather than the level3 modified version" that makes exact sense with what I was seeing, thanks for the wiki update and all your work so far!
May 03 16:28:36 <MonkeyofDoom> adam_b: also, some notes on the suggested Chromium argument--according to chrome://gpu there is no hw acceleration with --use-gl=gles2 and the behavior seems similar to passing --use-gl=garbage http://ix.io/19ka
May 03 16:30:11 <adam_b> interesting, it did seem faster when I first tried it but I had been wondering as it didn't seem to be going as fast lately
May 03 16:31:47 <MonkeyofDoom> chrome://gpu has claims hw accel is enabled with no arguments at all, but doesn't seem any faster or to have less tearing
May 03 16:32:06 <MonkeyofDoom> (I disabled smooth scrolling on both it and FF and the latter seems much snappier, and doesn't seem to tear)
May 03 16:32:57 <MonkeyofDoom> do you know why the system seems so sluggish overall? is debian running at a low cpu frequency or is it some software fallback in the graphics stack someplace or such?
May 03 16:34:22 <MonkeyofDoom> I'll definitely see what code I can contribute once I've had a chance to try things out and see what the current state is
May 03 16:39:26 <adam_b> yea feel free to update the wiki with your findings (remove chrome suggestion), that //gpu page has plenty of problems detected, could be something to look into
May 03 16:40:19 <MonkeyofDoom> I'll get to it tonight when I try ofono stuff :)
May 03 16:41:04 <adam_b> yea plenty of problems with that side of things too
May 03 16:42:06 <MonkeyofDoom> I had an N900 but by the time I got a SIM for it and tried to get ofono working my hardware had started to go lopsided
May 03 16:42:44 <adam_b> ahh well we've at least got the ability to make out going calls and read the first few words of a txt message
May 03 16:42:51 <MonkeyofDoom> !! :D
May 03 16:43:16 <MonkeyofDoom> adam_b: do you know about (or know of docs about) the Android userspace bits running in the debian image? some of them are for rild etc., but is the mediaserver stuff also infrastructure for something ultimately useful?
May 03 16:43:38 <MonkeyofDoom> or is that part of the voice datapath?
May 03 16:44:11 <adam_b> Nikita (TheKit) is the one who understands this stuff, there was some stuff that had to happen in PulseAudio
May 03 16:44:12 <MonkeyofDoom> android logd (as mentioned above) seems to use a lot of cpu in some failure condition
May 03 16:44:14 <MonkeyofDoom> ok
May 03 16:44:43 <adam_b> yea there is some very noisey stuff in the logging land
May 03 16:53:06 <depscribe[m]> whatever they're paying you guys ain't enough.<g>
May 03 16:53:09 <adam_b> MonkeyofDoom: I just added another note about getting the Cellular stuff working, seems to require cmst to be running at the time even though that shows the Technology as 'off' when its actually on...
May 03 16:54:20 <MonkeyofDoom> cool
May 03 16:54:24 <adam_b> depscribe[m]: I don't think we are being paid
May 03 16:55:05 <depscribe[m]> adam_b: then i was right! ain't enough!
May 03 16:56:06 <MonkeyofDoom> having a working modern linux phone is its own reward :D
May 03 16:57:27 <depscribe[m]> MonkeyofDoom: yeah, and you're doing all this stuff for those of us who would *never* be able to do that ourselves. my thanks ain't enough either, but thanks.
May 03 16:58:09 <MonkeyofDoom> I haven't written a line of code yet, just debugging and poking around so far--thank adam_b and TheKit for now
May 03 17:00:58 <depscribe[m]> thanks to them and everybody here who is working to make this stuff work the way we'd like. with luck i'll learn enough user-side stuff to be able to contribute at least some how-tos -- my last code contribution was to kde-1.x, and while it was simple code others made it better, so it's good that i'm not poking around with that anymore.
May 03 17:44:53 <serp_____> having an issue with my gemini the main cover keeps falling off
May 03 17:44:59 <serp_____> any idea on how to fix it?
May 03 17:56:34 <depscribe[m]> serp_____: you sure it's clicked on solidly in the first place?
May 03 17:59:02 <serp_____> yea
May 03 17:59:04 <serp_____> its wobbily
May 03 17:59:06 <serp_____> its in place
May 03 17:59:17 <serp_____> when i open it up every few times the cover falls out
May 03 17:59:27 <serp_____> i think its a huge flaw in the design the plastic wears out after a while
May 03 17:59:36 <serp_____> should have just used magnets to hold it in place or screws
May 03 18:01:04 <serp_____> going to use double sides tape on the recessed area so it doesn't keep falling out
May 03 18:01:08 <adam_b> serp_____: how many times have you taken the cover off? and did you put it back on in reverse to the way you took it off (clip the bit with clips first) or the other way round?
May 03 18:01:22 <serp_____> maybe 10 times to swap out the microsd card
May 03 18:01:39 <serp_____> its on the proper way
May 03 18:01:42 <serp_____> i think the plastic wears out
May 03 18:01:43 <serp_____> after a while
May 03 18:01:45 <adam_b> I suspect thats a similar number to me
May 03 18:02:02 <serp_____> i hope its the metal cover
May 03 18:02:04 <serp_____> and not the plastic
May 03 18:02:18 <serp_____> i am getting the camera attachment so that will come with a new metal cover
May 03 18:02:51 <serp_____> it goes on tight then loosens up after a few opens
May 03 18:02:55 <adam_b> no I mean its got two different shapes to its edge, one has extra clippy bits in the shape, so to put it back you either catch the smooth edge fist or the tabbed edge first, just wondering which you've been clipping first
May 03 18:02:59 <serp_____> have to keep snapaping the corners back in
May 03 18:03:05 <serp_____> yes the rounted edge goes on the front
May 03 18:03:09 <serp_____> it can only go on one way
May 03 18:03:35 <adam_b> yea but you put it on by catching one of the edged and then pushing down the other
May 03 18:04:07 <serp_____> yea its on the right way
May 03 18:04:12 <serp_____> either the cover is slightly warped
May 03 18:04:14 <adam_b> or I guess you could just shoved it both edges at the same time (flat)
May 03 18:04:18 <serp_____> or the plastic catches are worn down
May 03 18:04:53 <serp_____> going to get doublesides tape so at least it stays on even loose
May 03 18:04:56 <adam_b> you've still not answered my question, which way to you put it back, yes it only goes the right way round, but you still have three ways of attaching it
May 03 18:04:58 <serp_____> and put the thing in a vice grip for a few minutes
May 03 18:05:08 <serp_____> Front piece goes on ofirst
May 03 18:05:11 <serp_____> then snaps on back
May 03 18:05:24 <serp_____> same way I have been doing it
May 03 18:05:34 <adam_b> yea thats the wrong way
May 03 18:05:46 <adam_b> so you've cut the plastic I think
May 03 18:05:53 <serp_____> that is the wrong way?
May 03 18:05:56 <serp_____> how so
May 03 18:06:11 <serp_____> according to who?
May 03 18:06:15 <adam_b> well the removal tool removes the 'back'? edge, and that has the extra long bits yes?
May 03 18:06:26 <serp_____> removing or attaching?
May 03 18:06:34 <serp_____> removing you do it in reverse obviously
May 03 18:06:40 <adam_b> so to put it back you place that edge in there first and then pull it down oveer the front edge to clip it on
May 03 18:06:44 <serp_____> yes
May 03 18:06:48 <serp_____> and reverse for attaching
May 03 18:06:57 <serp_____> it is impossible to put the back edge in first and attach the front
May 03 18:07:11 <adam_b> well I've always done it that way and mine isn't falling off...
May 03 18:07:24 <serp_____> how long have you had yours?
May 03 18:07:55 <serp_____> Mine is used heavily
May 03 18:08:04 <serp_____> I have had it since march
May 03 18:08:11 <adam_b> yea first batch
May 03 18:08:32 <serp_____> the issue started happening randomly
May 03 18:08:43 <serp_____> it was tight then it started falling off randomly
May 03 18:09:02 <serp_____> there was  a defect on the back edge that they sent a replacement metal piece for
May 03 18:09:20 <serp_____> the rubber gasket was seperated and the "binding" thing was coming off too
May 03 18:09:31 <serp_____> it was a defect in the assembly at least that is what robin said and he sent me a new piece
May 03 18:09:49 <adam_b> interesting, well I'll keep putting my cover back on in what I consider to be the right order (which is counter intuiative to how you take it off) and see how it goes
May 03 18:10:14 <serp_____> I wouldn't take it off too often
May 03 18:10:17 <serp_____> i think it is a bad design
May 03 18:10:22 <adam_b> yea I just glued my 'rubber' thing on as it kept falling off
May 03 18:10:25 <serp_____> metal on plastic is always a bad design
May 03 18:10:39 <serp_____> with compression fittings
May 03 18:12:08 <adam_b> yea I figured it wouldnt last too many removals, which is why I asked, but 10 sounds a very small number
May 03 18:12:39 <adam_b> hence the thought that you might be putting it back on in the wrong order and so cutting the plastice sooner than expected
May 03 18:13:05 <serp_____> i see no evidence of the plastic wearing down (plastic residue etc)
May 03 18:14:08 <adam_b> interesting, mine has little cut plastic (whiter than the black of the rest of it) bits caused when I remove it, very tiny, but indicating that its wearing down with each removal
May 03 18:14:20 <serp_____> i am hoping its the cover
May 03 18:14:22 <serp_____> that is slightly warped
May 03 18:14:37 <serp_____> because it looks like it is seperating on one saide
May 03 18:14:39 <serp_____> side
May 03 18:14:50 <serp_____> then that creates a domino effect where the rest of the clasps do not hold
May 03 18:14:51 <adam_b> yea that could be it
May 03 18:15:03 <serp_____> going to use double sides tape and vice grips
May 03 18:15:07 <serp_____> see if it will go back into shape
May 03 18:15:22 <adam_b> the idea of putting the gemini in a vice seems a bit extreme
May 03 18:15:55 <serp_____> Screen has a pretty solid backing
May 03 18:16:56 <serp_____> the original gasket on the binder portion was so poorly assembled
May 03 18:17:06 <serp_____> the person that assembled it put two seperate pieces
May 03 18:17:10 <serp_____> so you could see the edge
May 03 18:17:18 <serp_____> and it would seperate from ther
May 03 18:17:44 <serp_____> yea i am almost positive my issue is the top case is warped
May 03 18:17:48 <serp_____> top case cover
May 03 18:18:01 <adam_b> well maybe un-warp that seperate from the device
May 03 18:27:40 <serp__> yea that seemed to have done the trrick
May 03 18:27:45 <serp__> i had to bend it pretty significantly
May 03 18:42:19 <depscribe[m]> anybody know the whereabouts of a how-to for removal of all gapps from gemini? mine is expected tomorrow and it's my intention to prevent it ever even being on google's radar.
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 04 03:00:04 2018