**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 04 03:00:05 2018 May 04 03:23:45 I have tried on both windows and linux, and am unable to extract the linux image. May 04 08:09:52 depscribe: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34768 May 04 08:10:36 this is a list of hints for first-time Gemini owners, in particular there's a link with hints on how to remove the Gapps: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34884&st=0&p=285246&#entry285246 May 04 09:01:13 varti[m] remove the gapps in what? May 04 09:01:37 heh sorry :) May 04 09:13:41 Mind...the GAPPS :) May 04 09:14:05 munchausen: hehe May 04 09:17:16 I was answering depscribe's question from yesterday May 04 14:33:10 I broke something on my gemini's debian install and ltqt nor plasma will load correctly, anyone know of a way to get a shell login prompt from the login screen without an external keyboard? May 04 14:33:53 s/ltqt/lxqt May 04 15:10:32 my device flashing experience being very limited and my gemini scheduled to arrive today, a question: if i d/l and flash rooted android and debian such as it is, will further debian upgrades require a reflash, and if so, can debian be flashed separately while keeping the altered android the same? it's my hope to do significant surgery on the android. mostly wondering if improvements to debian can be done the way we'd May 04 15:10:32 do it on a desktop machine, using apt, rather than having to reflash. May 04 16:49:18 zoglesby: check my blog posting May 04 16:50:08 zoglesby: http://coshacks.blogspot.fi/2018/04/gemini-pda-hackers-guide.html May 04 17:05:12 cos- thanks May 04 17:12:37 question for anyone in the US that received their gemini via DHL - are they requiring a signature on delivery? May 04 17:16:46 alius: I had to sign for mine, almost did not make it to the door before. May 04 17:41:42 looks like i will be working from home this afternoon, thank you for the info! May 04 20:24:54 `echo 20 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/lcd-backlight/brightness` blocks on a long fade animation :( May 04 20:25:12 (and brightness claims to be 0 initially) May 04 20:35:37 > /sys/class/BOOT/BOOT/boot/boot_mode May 04 20:35:43 got enough boots, mtk? May 04 20:36:18 sudo bash -c 'echo 937 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness' May 04 20:37:12 using that i never got a fade but in the past when i was using xbacklight i used to May 04 20:38:20 xbacklight implements a fade effect in userspace, see its CLI flags May 04 20:38:31 but if the kernel interface itself does a fade, xbacklight won't be able to control it, hence my sadness May 04 20:38:51 still, I *think* this stuff should be implemented in the kernel sources we have, so it's amenable to patching/cleanup May 04 20:39:34 I'll have to try building/poking at the kernel tomorrow May 04 20:48:51 if the gemini has a 10-core processor, why does the Debian kernel command line have "maxcpus=5"? May 04 20:52:58 is it 10 actual cores or is it threaded? May 04 20:56:57 for expectant gemini owners in the u.s.: just off the phone with dhl, who said my gemini had been given to the post office, who will deliver it monday instead of today (which i rearranged so i could be home to receive the package, dammit). so the dhl tracker isn't entirely trustworthy. May 04 20:59:00 cke__: no idea May 04 20:59:52 https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/mediatek/helio/mt6797 May 04 21:00:05 also not sure how I tell if I have an X20 or X25 May 04 21:01:11 dmesg not giving any clues? May 04 21:01:37 the x25 is MT6797T May 04 21:01:40 X20 = MT6797, X25 = MT6797T May 04 21:02:15 dmesg mentions mt6797 various places, but I don't know if the software would even be able to tell honestly, nor whether that's a string obtained from software or from hardware somehow May 04 21:02:31 I don't know what the AArch64 equivalent of the `cpuid` instruction is May 04 21:02:42 anyhow, that wiki says it's 10 real cores May 04 21:02:59 2x Cortex-A72 @ 2.5 GHz / 4x Cortex-A53 @ 2 GHz / 4x Cortex-A53 @ 1.55 GHz May 04 21:03:34 (for the X25) May 04 21:03:50 X20 is just slightly lower clocks May 04 21:04:35 yeah looking at the differences i wonder if it would even be noticable 'to the naked eye' May 04 21:05:10 /proc/cpuinfo says "Hardware : MT6797X" May 04 21:05:16 which leaves the question nicely unresolved May 04 21:05:37 oh wait May 04 21:05:40 https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/mediatek/helio/mt6797x May 04 21:05:46 Helio X27 May 04 21:05:48 my bad May 04 21:06:10 Gemini was X25/X27, not X20/X25 May 04 21:06:20 yeah i thought that but too lazy to go check May 04 21:06:20 so I have an X27 May 04 21:06:22 win May 04 21:06:43 still a good question re maxcpus=5 May 04 21:06:46 still feels slow as *hell* in debian, but I think that's just the graphics being super high-latency due to a wrecked stack May 04 21:06:51 wrecked graphics stack* May 04 21:06:54 agreed May 04 21:07:03 (ssh is very responsive) May 04 21:07:23 framebuffer, tmux and ssh what more is needed? ;-P May 04 21:07:43 lynx May 04 21:07:47 even using ssh *from* the gemini is really painful May 04 21:07:56 but I haven't played with the framebuffer outside of X May 04 22:10:48 glxgears gets 0.8-1 fps which is not quite stellar **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 05 03:00:03 2018