**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 03:00:01 2018 May 07 13:42:05 Mine arrived today, mostly seems good from briefly playing with it, but the keyboard is pretty flimsy. I seriously doubt it'd survive regular use for long =/. May 07 13:55:03 did you get a replacement mat? May 07 14:04:26 hmm, shouldn't all the devices by now already have the improved mat? As I understood, only the devices manufactured before Chinese New Year require a new mat May 07 14:05:05 oh, could be May 07 14:05:34 i got 3 replacement mats, but i'm hesitating to replace one as the keyboard is perfectly ok May 07 14:06:07 it is like the old saying: if it is not broken, then get out of the kitchen May 07 14:09:10 echicken: huh? first time I hear that :) May 07 14:09:45 hmm, maybe I got the old saying wrong May 07 14:17:32 "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" :) May 07 14:20:06 for hackers it's more like "don't turn it on, tear it apart!" May 07 14:22:06 that's even better May 07 14:24:19 if it ain't broke, your child hasn't found it yet. May 07 14:52:29 indiegogo comments section approaches maximum toxicity May 07 14:55:55 I haven't had any issues with the space bar as some have reported, but the enter key doesn't always seem to get pressed correctly. May 07 15:04:09 does anyone here know if linux deploy allows access to wifi/cellular network? reason i ask is that i'm hoping to find a way to do work on my gemini until proper linux is a little farther along. also, can linux deploy be made full-screen? May 07 15:21:31 depscribe[m]: wifi works, not sure about cellular. it's completely unusable in any way. May 07 15:28:20 cos-: what's the trouble with it? slow? May 07 15:30:48 check http://coshacks.blogspot.fi/2018/04/gemini-pda-hackers-guide.html May 07 17:24:44 I just got a box containing the small piece of black cloth I ordered, and it turns out that they included a cute little computer as well! It's on the charger at the moment, and I already have a question: I turned it on and it booted into German. Sad to say, I don't speak German. Is there some trick to scroll through the languages? May 07 17:25:55 Stecken Sie eine Maus ein und verwenden Sie das Scrollrad May 07 17:26:55 ho ho ho, I have no idea; my Gemini is apparently "with delivery courier" so I may have it in my hands today. May 07 17:28:04 Was für diejenigen von uns, wie mich, die keine USB-C-Maus haben? May 07 17:29:05 Ich schätze du bist gefickt May 07 17:33:35 Ja. May 07 17:38:39 heh May 07 17:43:41 depscribe[m]: android on mine was german too, wonder what the story is there May 07 17:46:04 MonkeyofDoom (IRC): were you able to make it cease to be in german? May 07 17:54:22 depscribe[m]: yeah, after poking around blind a bit May 07 17:54:39 but I haven't set up the android yet, I'm just using debian May 07 18:20:17 MonkeyofDoom (IRC): yup, i just spent a few minutes in android and realized i hate it even more than i remembered. btw, there's a drop down on the initial screen that lets you choose a language that gets you through enough that you can get into settings and change it. May 07 18:23:00 I want to install debian, but I haven't been able to extract the image, I just get an error. May 07 18:23:31 Captain_Harlock[: what error? what specific software are you using to extract it? what's a checksum of the file you have? May 07 18:24:24 I was trying to use 7zip, I am not at my computer now, so I can't get you the error.the checksums matched. May 07 18:24:52 I also tried on linux with unzip, and got a similar error. May 07 18:25:26 7zip worked for me on win10 May 07 18:25:28 FYI May 07 18:25:40 "UnZip 6.00 of 20 April 2009, by Info-ZIP" on Arch Linux worked for me May 07 18:25:51 I was using windows7. May 07 18:25:56 (just the `unzip` package) May 07 18:26:30 how have folks found debian? I didn't find it terribly usable yet at first crack May 07 18:26:51 instead I'm relying on android and juicessh to login to my hosts May 07 18:26:52 I'm not sure what version of unzip I was using, whatever is latest for Manjaro May 07 18:27:10 I think manjaro and arch are pretty similar repo-wise May 07 18:27:36 I will double check later, once I get back from work. May 07 18:28:39 thefloyd: it needed a bunch of tweaks but it's pretty close to what I would expect out of debian on any computer, plus telephony should be working (haven't tested yet) May 07 18:29:45 MonkeyofDoom - oh, excellent. do you have a list of things you did? May 07 18:30:13 I admittedly did not spend lots of time trying but I do want to get debian useful on this guy May 07 18:30:24 I have near zero use for android May 07 18:31:17 also do we expect LTE to work as well? or just phone call functionality for now? May 07 18:31:39 (or too soon to ask?) May 07 18:31:39 thefloyd: almost all of them are documented at https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki May 07 18:31:55 thanks - I will check when at home later May 07 18:32:10 I got mine with the intention of using debian, or another linux. There are plenty of android devices. May 07 18:34:22 I'm glad that some people are aware of wear level issues. May 07 18:34:23 I don't mind android too much when I'm just using it to ssh over to my freebsd boxes ;) May 07 18:34:32 thefloyd: telephony and gprs are discussed at https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/DebianTP#gprs May 07 18:34:36 but yeah. I got this for the linux May 07 18:34:55 but I haven't tested yet, maybe need to get a second SIM for testing May 07 18:34:57 thanks! I'll read up on this stuff later May 07 18:35:26 I'm already working with a spare/extra SIM so I'm not too worried May 07 18:35:46 my daily driver is a fruit company phone :D May 07 18:45:24 thefloyd (IRC): ah! a blackberry! May 07 18:47:23 am i the only one who has had his gemimi snap shut with sufficient force to catch some finger skin and actually draw blood? just happened. May 07 18:48:19 I usually try to close it gently due to magnets May 07 18:48:21 someone else mentioned that a while back May 07 18:49:03 2018-04-15 21:16:10 my gemini drew blood from my hand today@ May 07 18:49:05 2018-04-15 21:16:47 was closing it the skin between my fingers got jammed and the strength of th e magnet ripped the skin hurt like a MF May 07 18:49:07 2018-04-15 21:22:13 <-- serp_ (6315f8bb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.21.248.187) has quit (Quit: Page closed) May 07 18:49:09 2018-04-15 21:33:32 remember to keep your saggy skin-flaps away from the magnets May 07 18:50:09 I'm afraid of letting it snap shut too tightly (don't want to scratch screen) so I soft close it and then push it the rest of the way gently May 07 18:50:13 seems to work ok May 07 18:50:47 I got that film that someone mentioned from the German company on the IG forums but it sucks May 07 18:50:57 so it's going to come back off May 07 18:51:49 I'd love a nice tempered glass oleophobic screen protector May 07 18:56:18 having spent a little while with the unrelenting evil that is android, i am now willing and eager to wipe the whole thing and install linux only, and wait for development of it to proceed. can this be done? i could not even d/l f-droid and a decent browser without granting the existing browser permissions for everything. May 07 19:06:43 You could send apks over adb, or stick them on an SD card, and allow installing from unknown sources. May 07 19:13:57 i'm entirely serious: i would far rather nuke android entirely and run only linux such as it is, upgrading as it gets better. is there a way to do this? i do not want google's spyware on my machine. so seriously: can the gemini be set up to boot linux and nothing else? May 07 19:18:08 kinda possible, but no easy way to do it yet - you would need to remove system, cache and userdata partitions and extend linux partition to fill left space, then flash linux-boot onto boot partition May 07 19:23:16 TheKit (IRC): thanks. i'm inclined to leave the device turned off, then, until it can more easily made into a useful linux machine. i may root it and see if i can delete most of the crap, but at this point i don't trust anything android. May 07 19:31:50 can't you just format the android partitions as ext3 from linux and mount them to some useful location? May 07 20:33:46 cos- (IRC): depends. i would also like the device to be able to boot, and i havve no idea what the gemini bootloader looks like. May 07 20:34:31 havve=have May 07 20:35:22 you can safely format/get rid of system, cache, userdata May 07 20:54:03 MonkeyofDoom, have you encountered https://bpaste.net/show/ae72721e9924 when building the kernel? May 07 20:55:58 TheKit: I don't *think* I've seen that one, but when I ran into similar errors that I fixed in https://github.com/mdgem/kernel-3.18-geminipda/commit/747d63fde06c15fe4ae0a03d0b0dc09315cd29ec May 07 20:59:26 I love that all the mtk drivers live in the `drivers/misc` directory... May 07 20:59:49 and there are tons of them May 07 21:00:19 TheKit: ok, that error seems different in nature than the ones I fixed with makefile tweaks May 07 21:00:26 there doesn't seem to *be* a mt_gpufreq.h May 07 21:00:57 maybe it comes from DrvGen? May 07 21:01:16 I fixed it by adding ccflags-y += -I$(srctree)/drivers/misc/mediatek/base/power/$(MTK_PLATFORM) May 07 21:01:22 wait nvm May 07 21:01:26 github search is just garbage May 07 21:01:26 but not sure if I'm not masking some other issue by this May 07 21:01:29 ./drivers/misc/mediatek/base/power/mt6797/mt_gpufreq.h May 07 21:01:33 yes May 07 21:02:14 hm, then strange, I'm not sure why you'd get the error when I didn't May 07 21:02:25 it seems Alpine gcc won't include files from same directory as compiled .c file if they are included from another header file in different directory, but it's strange, yes May 07 21:02:34 interesting May 07 21:02:36 what gcc version? May 07 21:02:52 6.4.0 May 07 21:03:05 interesting, I only tried 7.3.0 and the android-4.9 one May 07 21:05:52 I should double-check that the 7.3.0 kernel won't boot, I'm not sure I had the button sequence down entirely as it was the first kernel I tried May 07 21:05:59 7.3.0-built* May 07 21:06:29 should ccflags-y set ccflags for nested Makefiles? May 07 21:07:12 I don't know but I would assume that's what the subdir one is for May 07 21:07:25 I am not (yet!) a kernel buildsystem expert May 07 21:21:27 which usb port on gemini is used for data xfer? May 07 21:25:00 ok, the kernel must be build out of tree to avoid this (with O=dir) May 07 21:25:59 depscribe[m], left one May 07 21:29:05 ohh I was building out-of-tree May 07 21:29:13 I always do that ;) May 07 21:29:48 I usually do as well, but postmarketOS generated build recipe doesn't May 07 21:30:25 ah May 07 21:30:36 (technically they don't really have reason to do this, as source gets removed after compilation anyway) May 07 21:32:59 Quick question. Just got my Gemini, but shift-2 gets me a " instead of @. How do I fix? May 07 21:33:30 sheetzam, probably set US layout May 07 21:34:46 ah, it was the AOSP keyboard that needed setting May 07 21:34:46 Thanks! May 07 21:35:26 Back to playing with a new gadget! May 07 21:37:07 MonkeyofDoom, building kernel on gcc 6.4.0 with your patches worked May 07 21:42:37 nice May 07 21:42:49 I'll have to double-check the 7.3.0 one May 07 22:29:54 am i right in assuming that i can overwrite the boot-verified.img in the TP with the rooted one and otherwise flash it per the TP instructions? May 07 22:30:13 yes May 07 22:31:05 thanks. here goes. if you never hear from me again, remember me well! May 07 23:24:55 looks like mainline Linux has a driver for the gemini's gyro/accelerometer since 4.7: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=77c4ad2d6a9bb6c6744f8f3a25d1c62669d6b656 May 08 00:12:13 does parted work on gemini to shrink the size of the android partition? May 08 00:14:55 unless the kernel is in some crippled container, it should May 08 01:14:39 I have to learn how devicetree works May 08 01:19:24 has anyone benchmarked the wifi on the gemini? it seems kind of sluggish on the Linux side at least (haven't tried android or run a proper test, just anecdotal) May 08 02:23:39 MonkeyofDoom: I haven't had a chance to use linux on it, but the seep on android has seemed snappy, depending on location. I haven't tested at more that a room over from the AP. May 08 02:45:14 MonkeyofDoom: while this doesnM May 08 02:45:36 't show the full wifi speed, here is a speedtest result http://www.speedtest.net/result/7291142533 May 08 02:53:34 Hello from my new Gemini. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 08 03:00:03 2018