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May 08 03:08:09 <Captain_Harlock[> hello timclassic (also from a gemini.)
May 08 03:25:39 <echicken> any recommendations for an Android IRC client?
May 08 03:27:12 <echicken> DHL screwed up in the best possible way; I went on their website yesterday and rerouted the delivery to a location near my work, they did not bring it there before the place closed tonight - instead they brought it to my house after I got home.
May 08 03:27:49 <echicken> and just left it on the porch since I had paid duty online, which for whatever reason requires you to waive the signature requirement upon delivery
May 08 03:28:13 <echicken> anyway, gemini received, all good. :|
May 08 03:39:53 <Beiriannydd> just booted to Linux and it only finds 2.4 Ghz wifi which might explain slowness. android works just fine with 5Ghz 802.11ac also the newer kernel still seems to be missing some devicemapper components for docker but it definitely gets further than the old kernel
May 08 04:30:44 <Captain_Harlock[> echicken: I user Atomic for irc, either that, or Irssi over ssh. If the server has a matrix bridge, you could use Riot, it works decenly, ut isn`t irc.
May 08 04:31:30 <Beiriannydd> I also recommend Atomic
May 08 04:32:10 <echicken> thx. I normally use weechat, just set up YAAIC on the gemini and have both clients going through ZNC
May 08 04:32:33 <echicken> but I will give atomic a shot in a bit
May 08 04:34:00 <Captain_Harlock[> Atomic is similar to yaaic, but seems more stable.
May 08 07:24:07 <cos-> echicken: you might also run matrix client (riot.im), it can access irc quite well.
May 08 07:25:05 <cos-> depscribe[m]: i don't think it even mounts the android partitions when booting to linux. you can try it and reflash if something fails.
May 08 07:52:04 <adam_b> Has anyone downloaded and flashed the DebianTP image in the last week? (I want to know if the key combinations have actually changed since I downloaded it) see https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/Bootloader for 13th march and pre-6th key combinations to compare
May 08 15:02:03 <canny[m]1> Update 55 (only a few paragraphs) has just hit the (virtual) press:
May 08 15:02:04 <canny[m]1> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device--2/x/17747136#/updates/all
May 08 15:04:04 <zoglesby> adam_b: I flashed the rom in about 5 days ago, and the keys are correct
May 08 15:05:14 <zoglesby> Has anyone been able to make NetworkManager see the cellular modem after starting ofono?
May 08 15:16:55 <adam_b> zoglesby: thanks (key check), connman is the selected technology just now, though we are contemplating a move to NM, both need some work for cellular, see DebianTP wiki page for latest info on how to get GPRS working (ish)
May 08 15:22:41 <echicken> hrm, I cannot make or receive telephone calls, though SMS and data work (though no indication of LTE); perhaps I'll have to switch providers.
May 08 15:31:32 <adam_b> echicken: if you mean in debian, incoming calls known not to work
May 08 15:32:16 <echicken> no, just android
May 08 15:32:37 <echicken> I shan't be messing with debian for a while yet.
May 08 15:42:14 <zoglesby> adam_b: I understand that connman is what is supported, just looking to know if anyone has had any luck with NM. I would rather use NM as it has support for firewalld built in so I can specify firewall rules per connection. (any many other reasons)
May 08 15:43:36 <MonkeyofDoom> adam_b: when you say GPRS, which of 2g, 3g, 4g, etc. does that refer to? or does the userspace see much of a difference?
May 08 15:48:05 <zoglesby> (I was not going to get into it, but GPRS is not the same as LTE or even 4G)(I use to work in telco)
May 08 15:50:25 <zoglesby> adam_b: also I noticed you seem to be the one that is doing must of the work on the wiki, I added a note to the Snaps page about Flatpak, would it make more sense to move it to its own page or rename this page to "Sandboxed Apps" or something like that?
May 08 16:05:14 <adam_b> zoglesby: well its in the name of a ofono test script, I'm not too fussy about finding the right name for things
May 08 16:07:03 <adam_b> Also on the wiki front I'm happy for others to tidy it up as they see fit, I treat it as a brain dump of info, there will always be a tidying up needed
May 08 16:08:10 <Beiriannydd> I created a Dockerfile for building the kernel https://gist.github.com/fayep/d81e740d5d5b4a88b7f3311ac0bc711b
May 08 16:08:55 <Beiriannydd> There seem to be some include files not being symlinked so I haven't completed a build yet
May 08 16:09:21 <Beiriannydd> but equally I haven't tried too hard
May 08 16:11:12 <adam_b> On the NM front so far as I know we need to grab a bunch of ofono related changes from Ubuntu 16.04 (that Ubuntu dropped when they dropped UT), and forward port them to which ever version of NM is in stretch/buster (the possibly NM plan is to move to buster)
May 08 16:12:33 <adam_b> I imagine ubports is going to be doing that same(similar) work when they move to 18.04 LTS
May 08 16:25:00 <Zevv> For whoever is interested: order 32XX to NL moved to 'locked' today
May 08 16:28:29 <zoglesby> The ofono stuff Canonical built for the phone was merged into NM in 1.4 as per https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/NEWS?id=cb6f1f57517ef47f40876a39865392cff57cc2d7 so I figured it would just work, but maybe parts are still missing?
May 08 16:29:17 <adam_b> I clearly didn't look deep enough
May 08 16:30:52 <zoglesby> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/log/?qt=grep&q=ofono
May 08 16:34:01 <zoglesby> It needs --with-ofono at build time, so it may be that the debian package is not built with that, I am looking now, but I am from the RPM world so I am not sure what the deb version of a .spec file is for building a package
May 08 16:34:33 <adam_b> the other thing we were thinking was to move to the sailfish ofono which is thought to work better with NM, you could try looking into that side of things too
May 08 16:37:14 <adam_b> the debian config is in the debian directory, rules is the file you probably want to check
May 08 16:39:05 <zoglesby> looks like its not built with ofono support then, I may try and rebuild it later today/tonight
May 08 16:59:50 <Beiriannydd> useful bot
May 08 17:00:35 <Beiriannydd> zoglesby: the debian version is debian/config
May 08 17:01:56 <Beiriannydd> zoglesby: you might find it easier to just use https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm
May 08 17:02:29 <MonkeyofDoom> how do you set up WPA2-enterprise with the CMST GUI?
May 08 17:08:35 <MonkeyofDoom> oh well, I'll try making the config manually
May 08 17:16:58 <MonkeyofDoom> hm, I still get an error popup about "invalid arguments" return from dbus in CMST when trying to select an ieee8021x-authed connection
May 08 17:19:13 <MonkeyofDoom> connman deleted the config files I put in /var/lib/connman???
May 08 17:21:57 <canny[m]1> Woohoo...4 hours ago, still no movement.  Just checked a few mins ago and order 29XX - LOCKED!
May 08 17:24:16 <MonkeyofDoom> nice
May 08 17:25:41 <MonkeyofDoom> wtf
May 08 17:27:52 <steve-marinos> glad to see more people talking linux stuff in here been a while i haven't logged in
May 08 17:28:02 <steve-marinos> what is up the world ..........
May 08 17:31:13 <zoglesby> rebuilding with NM with --with-ofono allows NM to see the ril, now just need to figure out how to get it to connect correctly.
May 08 18:22:46 <thefloyd> anyone have a solution to the mouse being jerky under linux? or is it just mine?
May 08 18:23:08 <thefloyd> also, shutdown seems to just freeze the thing until I hold ESC to power off. Just me again? or is there a solution?
May 08 18:24:54 <adam_b> shutdown is doing the debian thing where if you have text output it shows you a count down timer as some process has refused to stop
May 08 18:25:02 <thefloyd> ahhhh
May 08 18:25:04 <thefloyd> makes sense.
May 08 18:25:18 <thefloyd> I'm guessing mouse is due to lack of hardware accel in current builds
May 08 18:25:34 <thefloyd> but that's just me making logical guesses
May 08 18:25:34 <adam_b> well if you update everything it might be better
May 08 18:25:46 <thefloyd> yeah, I've followed the gemini-keyboard-apps wiki steps
May 08 18:25:55 <adam_b> I've not tried the mouse recently
May 08 18:26:03 <adam_b> guess there is more todo
May 08 18:26:04 <thefloyd> mouse movement on the internal screen still isn't very fluid at all
May 08 18:26:17 <thefloyd> sometimes it is, and then it stops being so
May 08 18:26:41 <thefloyd> also - is it possible to just use the gemini as a text console and skip X altogether?
May 08 18:26:52 <thefloyd> I'd probably be fine with that half the time
May 08 18:27:55 <thefloyd> don't need X to irc and reconfigure *nix hosts :D
May 08 18:30:41 <zoglesby> thefloyd: you should be able to `systemctl disable <whateverDMthisis>.service`and on the next boot you will get a console
May 08 18:31:55 <adam_b> I don't think we have a text console output, which is why we don't see the shutdown messages
May 08 18:34:56 <depscribe[m]> is there a documented way for those of us who would keep up with  the development here to install updates on a regular basis?
May 08 18:37:10 <adam_b> depscribe[m]: I update the DebianTP wiki page as and when with any special things, otherwise its just an apt-get update to follow along
May 08 18:38:46 <depscribe[m]> so the repository is already in sources.list or its equivalent?
May 08 18:39:00 <adam_b> indeed
May 08 18:41:43 <depscribe[m]> cool. thanks!
May 08 19:05:10 <Zevv> Hi folks. What kind of device is the WAN modem on linux, is it a regular ACM device on the USB bus, or something completely different
May 08 19:09:45 <depscribe[m]> frigging flash_tool won't run on fresh install of debian stretch -- blows up with inability to find libjpeg.so.8, which doesn't exist in any debian package i can find. what am i screwing up here?
May 08 19:11:58 <Zevv> make a symlink from libjpeg.so.9.2.0 to libjpeg.so.8
May 08 19:15:32 <Zevv> nope, doesn't work
May 08 19:18:02 <Zevv> I made you one
May 08 19:18:24 <Zevv> http://zevv.nl/div/libjpeg.so.8
May 08 19:18:33 <Zevv> Install it system wide or put it in the directory of flashtool and start with
May 08 19:18:45 <depscribe[m]> libjpeg.so.62.2.0?
May 08 19:18:48 <Zevv> LD_PRELOAD=libjpeg.so.9.2.0 ./flash_tool.sh
May 08 19:19:05 <Zevv> wait I'm messing up my cut and pastes
May 08 19:19:23 <Zevv> LD_PRELOAD=libjpeg.so.8 ./flash_tool.sh
May 08 19:20:43 <depscribe[m]> i don't have libjpeg.so.9.2.0 -- just libjpeg.so.62.2.0
May 08 19:20:50 <Zevv> I just posted a link
May 08 19:20:57 <Zevv> I built libjpeg8 for you from source
May 08 19:21:03 <Zevv> assuming you're running x86_64
May 08 19:21:16 <depscribe[m]> thanks!
May 08 19:25:17 <Zevv> works for you?
May 08 19:30:11 <depscribe[m]> saints preserve us: "cannot connect to X server"
May 08 19:36:27 <depscribe[m]> Zevv: yes, works for me, and now i'm trying to sort permissions. grrr.
May 08 19:41:16 <depscribe[m]> Ha! Works! Thanks, zevv!
May 08 19:41:32 <Zevv> what was it with the permissions?
May 08 19:49:03 <depscribe[m]> Zevv: i'd put your libjpeg.so.8 into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ with mc and forgot to exit su, and the old xhost + localhost no longer works (i'm old).
May 08 19:49:27 <Zevv> Don't put it in your /usr/lib then :)
May 08 19:49:39 <Zevv> I found out that the flashtool does a LD_LIBRARY_PATH of it's own /lib dir
May 08 19:49:46 <Zevv> so just put it in FlashToolLinux/lib
May 08 19:50:11 <depscribe[m]> am wondering -- i don't intend to do it this time around -- but can scatter.txt be edited to apter partition sizes at time of flashing?
May 08 19:50:12 <depscribe[m]> apter=alter
May 08 19:56:07 <Zevv> no clue, I don't know the tooling
May 08 19:56:08 <Zevv> all mediatek propriatary stuff - I'm surprised they even have a Linux version
May 08 19:57:46 <depscribe[m]> it's plain text, so it ought to work with a little jp.
May 08 19:57:53 <Zevv> probably
May 08 20:05:46 <MonkeyofDoom> depscribe[m]: I ran flashtool via CLI
May 08 20:05:59 <MonkeyofDoom> lemme dig up the invocation
May 08 20:06:41 <MonkeyofDoom> `sudo ./flash_tool.sh -d MTK_AllInOne_DA.bin -s ../Gemini_Debian_TP/Gemini_Debian_TP/Gemini_Debian_TP_Scatter.txt -c firmware-upgrade`
May 08 20:06:46 <MonkeyofDoom> run at your own risk, of course
May 08 20:06:51 <MonkeyofDoom> but it worked for me
May 08 20:07:18 <depscribe[m]> i was starting it in a terminal. now i'm dealing with the ConnectBROM error, so am trying to sort that out.
May 08 20:07:40 <MonkeyofDoom> it needs root or access to USB device files (take your pick)
May 08 20:07:40 <MonkeyofDoom> mm
May 08 20:08:06 <MonkeyofDoom> when running as root in GUI the window was blank for me, so I flashed via command-line args
May 08 20:08:30 <depscribe[m]> i shall never complain about installing to an x86 machine with a hard drive ever again.
May 08 20:08:56 <alius> quote of the week right there depscribe :)
May 08 20:12:51 <depscribe[m]> is the device supposed to be in any particular mode for all this? when i've flashed tablets, they need to be in some flavor of recover mode.
May 08 20:14:32 <MonkeyofDoom> recovery mode is via holding the power button during boot until you see a picture of a dead android, IIRC
May 08 20:15:20 <depscribe[m]> and that's where we need to be to flash the device, right?
May 08 20:16:54 <MonkeyofDoom> I think, but I might have just been booted into Android
May 08 20:17:13 <MonkeyofDoom> I don't recall precisely, I was trying a bunch of things at that point because the flashtool was giving errors that ultimately were due to not running as root
May 08 20:18:54 <alius> when i flashed the rooted android image (using the windows flash tool) i started it with gemini booted into android, then rebooted the gemini for the flash to actually begin
May 08 20:19:08 <alius> i have not tried the linux dual boot yet so i do not know if this is helpful.  if not, apologies
May 08 20:19:29 <alius> for that, at least, i did not have to be in recovery
May 08 20:20:10 <depscribe[m]> alius: thanks. ought to work either way, i suppose.
May 08 20:21:33 <depscribe[m]> MonkeyofDoom: your recipe looked good but blewup here with the lack of libpng16! what with the graphical libraries??
May 08 20:26:35 <MonkeyofDoom> libpng16.so is the current one on Arch at least
May 08 20:26:47 <MonkeyofDoom> it's a Qt program, I had to install qt4 for it to work
May 08 20:31:51 <depscribe[m]> MonkeyofDoom: ah. thanks.
May 08 20:41:13 <depscribe[m]> i am growing very cross at seeing the google advertisement that starts the android session.
May 08 20:42:25 <MonkeyofDoom> ew
May 08 20:42:28 <coolty> ???
May 08 20:42:51 <coolty> depscribe[m], pihole
May 08 20:43:44 <depscribe[m]> coolty: about the joys of "google assistant"
May 08 20:44:20 <coolty> oh. lol
May 08 20:48:37 <TheKit> if anyone has Debian installation handy on Gemini, could you run gtkperf and post results?
May 08 20:57:48 <zoglesby> TheKit: https://pastebin.com/WvFkqbev
May 08 20:59:58 <TheKit> do you have any kind of compositing on?
May 08 21:02:39 <zoglesby> no
May 08 21:03:32 <TheKit> apt update && apt install glamor-hybris - I have about 85s total time
May 08 21:03:39 <zoglesby> default install lxqt and kwin (so maybe if kwin has it?)
May 08 21:03:53 <TheKit> kwin can do XRender and no compositing
May 08 21:04:03 <TheKit> I think default is the latter
May 08 21:04:21 <TheKit> (restart Xorg session after upgrading glamor-hybris)
May 08 21:08:16 <adam_b> total time 214s
May 08 21:08:58 <zoglesby> 83.41 after that
May 08 21:11:29 <TheKit> what bothers me with Xorg driver is that if you for example try to move window with finger, it will stop redrawing the final frame as if Xorg server was very busy redrawing moving window
May 08 21:12:31 <zoglesby> adam_b sailfish ofono also needs https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/libglibutil
May 08 21:12:51 <zoglesby> I am still tring to get it to build but at least i found the dep
May 08 21:15:29 <TheKit> if glamor-hybris change doesn't cause Xorg crashes in Mali blobs (they were experienced on Rockchip), 2-3x speedup isn't that bad
May 08 21:18:14 <adam_b> Yep 214s -> 65s - good improvement
May 08 22:51:26 <MonkeyofDoom> what's the change?
May 08 22:52:06 <MonkeyofDoom> I figured out ofono with WPA2-enterprise, CMST can't do it but a manually-created file in /var/lib/connman works
May 08 22:52:39 <MonkeyofDoom> or is it just installing glamor-hybris
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