**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 15 03:00:03 2018 May 15 12:35:12 sheepbat, that seems to indicate that perhaps pgup/pgdown are not working properly on gemini, then May 15 12:42:50 alius: they are mapped to Prior, Next which is what xev gives me on a regular keyboard? May 15 12:43:12 sorry should point out that is in linux, you might be talking android, I keep making assumptions May 15 13:11:51 android, in my case May 15 13:15:14 you've been through the keyboard bit of this guide: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Configuration May 15 13:15:31 i have not, may be my issue May 15 13:16:05 thanks. will report back if that takes care of it (or not, but hopefully the former) May 15 13:31:01 no luck, unfortunately. just tried in juicessh (one that having the hardware pgup/pgdown would be very handy in) May 15 13:31:27 CTRL passes through fine but pgup, pgdown do not May 15 13:32:19 do you have a usb keyboard to plug in? (for comparison) May 15 13:32:49 it maybe that juicessh is the one with the bug May 15 14:37:51 with plasma installed as it is, is there any reason why one wouldn't just use it and install kde applications to populate it? does lxqt have some special hacks or something? May 15 14:49:03 i do not know if pgup/pgdn are supposed to work on firefox for android, but they are treated as normal up/down arrows in that also May 15 14:49:19 pgup/pgdn also do not pass through remote desktop or teamviewer when connected to a windows remote host May 15 14:49:36 i am going to post on oesf gemini android forum about this, does not seem to yet be a topic on it May 15 15:06:38 Hey everybody! My Fn key works (I can tell because airplane mode comes on) but it doesn't activate Fn characters on most other keys. May 15 15:06:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2yNGCl-kM&lc= May 15 15:06:51 here is a video of the problem May 15 15:06:53 I contacted planetcom support 2 days ago and got no response from them May 15 15:06:57 Any ideas what I can do? May 15 15:08:50 jedi[m]: you've been through the keyboard section of this: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Configuration May 15 15:08:51 hey jedi - do you have the Gemini keyboard app installed? May 15 15:09:05 snap May 15 15:09:53 ; ) May 15 15:11:12 depscribe[m]: I'm focusing on one slice of Debian, random coin toss picked lxqt, users are free to do as they please, but there be dragons, generally you can use the kde apps on lxqt, you just don't get all the nice keyboard shortcuts, caps lock wont work, sleeping etc etc etc, there is a fair amount of work in getting any particular desktop to work sensibly and the lxqt story is not yet finished May 15 15:11:36 Yes I have properly configured my keyboard. I went through the doc. May 15 15:11:38 hmm two concepts in one there May 15 15:12:01 Also I should note that the problem illustrated in the video is not the problem solved by that doc. May 15 15:12:41 jedi[m]: have to admit I didn't watch the video (just the going by the fn key not working bit) May 15 15:13:36 adam_b: i'm booted into the plasma that was automagically installed -- i surely didn't do it! -- and i notice that for instance the mouse cursor isn't jerky and the screen is much more responsive. so it seemed to me that this might be useful to me, unless there's some killer aspect i don't know about. May 15 15:17:41 booted=logged May 15 15:19:29 depscribe[m]: as you like, its not being tested by me (have you tried typing anything in it?) May 15 15:22:10 adam_b: that does seem a little flaky, dammit. May 15 15:22:53 jedi[m]: I watched a bit of the video, but yea it totally sounds like you've not set a gemini keyboard layout just a android one May 15 15:23:03 some letters simply do not register. weird. May 15 15:23:48 depscribe[m]: re-read the DebianTP wiki page, its clearly stated 'There is the upstream assumption that if a key is mapped to these names then that is its sole function' May 15 15:24:23 i'm hoping that some of the configurations i make here at least carry over. May 15 15:25:18 As our keyboard layouts have fn+picture as 'named' keys in my terminology, and in different layouts those functions move keys, we need to repeat the same fix I did for lxqt to the other keyboard shortcut handlers May 15 15:25:35 and i'm mostly stunned that the video under plasma is orders of magnitude better than under lxqt. May 15 15:25:58 depscribe[m]: I'm suspecting that you've switched from kwin on lxqt May 15 15:26:09 to something without accel May 15 15:26:45 not as far as i know. May 15 15:27:03 yea installing random packages changes things unexpectedly May 15 15:27:28 i'll investigate. i'd be able to confirm in the lkqt configuration master app, yes? May 15 15:27:54 no it'd be command line fiddling I expect May 15 15:28:49 i t doesn't sound like something one would accidentally do. May 15 15:29:03 no I mean to check you have to fiddle about on the command line May 15 15:32:06 i came into plasma because there's a way to make the panel ("kicker") shrink down to a little nubbins and readily brought back, without resort to a mouse. there's no way to do that in lxqt that i can find; asked on the lxqy support list and so far crickets. to make it big enough to be usable, it takes too much screen real estate, but when it autohides it can't be reliably brought back by touch. May 15 15:32:50 depscribe[m]: you saw my comment about adding ctrl+esc to launch the menu, presumably that would bring the panel back onto the screen May 15 15:33:33 i didn't -- was it here? May 15 15:33:41 on that thread on the forum May 15 15:34:44 just now saw it, and you are my hero! May 15 15:35:08 well I don't know if will work, I didn't figure out how to hide the panel yet (didn't look very hard either) May 15 15:35:34 now to see if i've broken my lxqt window manager somehow. May 15 16:12:16 adam_b: hiding the panel is in a setting available only in RMB menu when clicked on the panel. "autohide" checkbox. May 15 16:14:36 fresh issue: you were right; ran "update alternatives" and xfwm4 was the auto selected WM. changed to kwin_x11 and everything is snappier -- except in my user. works in gemini user and on login screen, but not in the user i created. i'm poking through configuration files now looking for the difference. ugh. May 15 16:15:21 (i suppose the autohide value is found in an xml file, but i don't know which one. May 15 16:16:08 ) May 15 16:19:31 okay -- in ./config/lxqt/panel/conf, this: under [panel 1] section: hidable=true May 15 16:21:39 yea the ctrl-esc dosn't help with tapping the shortcut icons as they tend to have gone before you can get to them May 15 16:24:41 you can use a finger on the other hand to keep it there though still seems a bit clunky May 15 16:25:19 actually if the mouse just happens to be in the bottom bit of the screen it stays there May 15 16:28:33 adam_b: there are delay and animation settings, which i have set like this: animation duration:500 and farther down: show-delay=2000 which leaves it up for 2 seconds, which on the configuration application is the maximum in both cases but seems enough May 15 16:31:03 now trying to figure why kwin is taking everyplace except in my user. i'm not finding anything in the config files, but may rename the ./config/lxqt directory in the user, then copy the one from the gemini user, then start copying files back one after another. May 15 16:33:04 adam_b: i erred. it's animation-duration=500 May 15 16:39:57 depscribe[m]: whats in your session.conf? May 15 16:42:07 adam_b: window_manager=kwin May 15 16:42:20 well it cant be that thats confused things then May 15 16:43:33 i copied the entire /.config to my user and everything is nice and fast. trying to figure out what slowed it all down, which is copy an old config file, restart the user, repeat. May 15 16:45:36 i'll report back when i find the culprit. (the old session.conf had kwin, too. and the timestamp suggests that it always did.) May 15 17:00:37 so far i have only learned the value of changing ~/.config/lxqt/session/conf leave_confirmation= to false May 15 17:09:19 very strange -- i've copied everything back except several files in /.config/lxqt that didn't exist in the user "gemini" config directory. each of these contains only this: [General] May 15 17:09:20 ___userfile___=true May 15 17:10:20 userfile was preceded and followed by two underscore characters. May 15 17:10:56 but fast X is now mine on my gemini! May 15 17:11:42 sounds good May 15 17:58:12 adam_b: it's all the difference in the world -- seems a thousand times more polished and usable. i'd still like to know how i ended up with other than kwin, though. (and the one useful thing to my having played with plasma is that without your telling me, i would never have known it wasn't *supposed* to be that slow and awful in lxqt!) May 15 18:00:42 probably worth doing periodical history diff's on the DebianTP page to pickup any new suggestions too May 15 18:36:27 Has anyone tried a freedompop sim in their gemini? Or have they used it on t-mobile/att? It has worked great on Verizon for me, but I believe freedompop's sim runs on the other networks. May 15 19:02:41 Captain_Harlock[: i would love to find out how you got it activated on verizon May 15 19:02:57 (the only carrier i've tried so far, haven't had any luck.) May 15 19:10:22 I didn't do activation, I just moved the sim over and it worked. I do have a totalwireless sim, and it uses verizon's network, so not directly verizon. May 15 19:11:13 ah, gotcha. May 15 19:11:41 i'm trying to use an existing number with a vzw sim and so far i'm getting the run around from support there. May 15 19:12:15 (unsurprisingly, since verizon are the scum of the earth, but then i'd probably feel that way about any large carrier.) May 15 19:13:18 Have you tried just pulling out a working sim and putting it in the phone? May 15 19:13:30 yeah, no dice. May 15 19:13:36 *in the gemini. May 15 19:13:45 it'll receive text messages, but won't do calls or data. May 15 19:14:06 there's an "activation" process on the verizon site, which gets blocked since the device isn't verified for their network. May 15 19:14:53 Hmm, strange. I wonder if it is a matter of the APN's not being set correctly. May 15 19:15:18 after a couple of hours of interacting with vzw customer service, i've supposedly got a request to allow the gemini submitted, but i haven't heard anything and suspect i won't. May 15 19:15:27 I don't see why you should need to do activation. May 15 19:15:40 i'm also pretty much a novice in the realm of mobile tech, so there's probably a bunch of stuff i'm missing here. May 15 19:23:04 Captain_Harlock: Mine worked on t-mobile just fine, in both android and linux. (Data only on both, but I don't see why it would not work for voice) May 15 19:31:39 Captain_Harlock i use AT&T in the US with my existing SIM just fine aside from only getting 3G data speeds rather than 4G in my area May 15 19:55:11 Captain_Harlock[, I use google fi in the US May 15 19:55:27 pretty much just worked May 15 19:55:47 and fi uses t-mo/sprint/us cellular towers May 15 20:06:19 Thanks guys for the feedback. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 16 03:00:12 2018