**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 18 03:00:04 2018 May 18 05:07:52 Soo.. The Steam Link App on the Gemini is amazing. May 18 06:01:32 *.* ... i want my gemini xD May 18 06:16:24 is there a hardware serial port for bootloader debug? normally it is on the headphone socket on android phones May 18 06:42:30 how about an app to make the planet key go to the home screen instead of opening the app bar? May 18 06:50:29 what is the purpose of the gemini virtual keyboard? May 18 07:13:30 Captain_Harlock[: oh, what can you do with it? i've got a steam link. May 18 07:14:41 ali1234: sounds like you haven't read http://coshacks.blogspot.fi/2018/04/gemini-pda-hackers-guide.html May 18 07:17:19 cos-: i don't see anything relevant to my questions in that May 18 07:19:55 have you run the setup script? May 18 07:22:00 in android? May 18 07:23:11 i've given up on gemian, i'm just trying to configure a sane android environment now May 18 07:23:18 in debian May 18 07:23:47 sounds like you had some very related issues last night.. May 18 07:24:03 yes, i did, but i fixed them by following the guide May 18 07:24:24 but i would estimate it's still a minimum of 18 months from being in any way useful May 18 07:24:45 i wrote up my notes for as far as i got, they're on github May 18 07:28:21 i've also mostly given up, probably will give it a new try when the new kernel is released May 18 07:28:39 otoh sailfish works quite well May 18 07:29:09 where do i get it? May 18 07:30:05 at this point, i would like to port u-boot so i can test my own distro from SD card without having to deal with the dodgy mtk preloader May 18 07:30:16 but i will need a serial debugger to bring that up May 18 07:30:41 afaik no public release yet, but you could ask TheKit May 18 07:30:59 okay May 18 07:31:19 or on #sailfishos, there are other porters there May 18 07:32:30 i think first though i will make a keyboard shortcut remapper for android May 18 07:32:59 that would be useful May 18 07:33:53 i'm trying to make riot.im on android more usable with compact view mode. May 18 07:34:16 i don't know what that is May 18 07:35:53 discord and slack work quite well May 18 07:36:11 well, discord does May 18 07:36:27 it's a matrix client May 18 07:37:06 i don't know what that is either, except a movie from 1998 May 18 07:38:32 it's much like slack, telegram & firends, but with foss client and server, and servers are networked and play together with irc really well May 18 07:38:46 slack has some keyboard focus issues. you can't just start typing :( May 18 07:38:49 hackers are moving to it, replacing the proprietary apps May 18 07:39:12 telegram was already quite good, but server infra closed & owned by a russian company May 18 07:40:11 i never used telegram because i didn't want to give them my phone number May 18 07:41:30 yep, matrix also doesn't require a phone number. a big plus. May 18 07:42:00 if you see users with [m] in their nickname, they are using matrix clint May 18 07:42:19 i see May 18 07:42:32 i will have to try that out, it sounds good May 18 07:43:31 yep, it's nice compared to alternatives. the android client wastes screen space though, i'd like to fix that May 18 07:47:03 you can customize the irc nickname, doesn't have to end with [m] even if it often does May 18 07:48:50 how do i make android stop asking me to configure the keyboard? May 18 07:50:44 have you upgraded the apps & configured it? May 18 07:51:36 My Gemini (and bundle) just arrived! Love it when packages arrive on a Friday while I'm working from home. Quick question for you folks who already have your units - how do you open the Gemini box!!? Seems to be wedged in there and the internal box isn't sliding out at all! May 18 07:51:37 and maybe after that rebooted.. i remember it nagging about it also. May 18 07:51:51 no, i uninstalled all the gemini apps because they dont appear to do anything useful May 18 07:53:25 (good job I'm not doing an unboxing video!) May 18 07:53:55 you lift the top May 18 07:54:02 it has a sticker seal on it May 18 07:54:35 um... how do i remove the SD card? it seems to be stuck in the slot? May 18 07:54:54 lol - got it...was trying to slide the blue part side-to-side! (d'oh!)...let the games begin! May 18 07:55:02 ali1234: cheers! May 18 07:58:39 got the sd card out... you have to lift it May 18 07:58:48 but only a tiny bit to get it over the nubs May 18 07:59:22 ali1234: it would be really nice to have pure android without the extra apps.. idk if they get some benefit (cheaper license?) by installing crapware on the device by default May 18 07:59:41 i dont think they get any such benefit from installing their own apps May 18 07:59:49 you can uninstall them anyway May 18 08:00:04 except launcher3 May 18 08:00:10 nope, you can only disable them May 18 08:00:20 no, really you can uninstall them May 18 08:00:27 how? May 18 08:00:39 settings->apps May 18 08:00:43 select app, uninstall May 18 08:00:55 at least my gemini doesn't allow that for all apps May 18 08:01:02 it only has "disable" May 18 08:01:10 not all of them, but you can uninstall keyboard, app bar, and voice assistant May 18 08:01:21 can you try uninstalling chrome and browser for example? May 18 08:01:29 why would i want to uninstall those? May 18 08:01:42 you can't uninstall browser May 18 08:02:01 nor chrome May 18 08:02:11 i want to remov them as i want to use fennec from f-droid as browser May 18 08:02:22 if you root, you can probably delete the apks from the vendor partition May 18 08:02:40 that's what i normally do, haven't tried it on gemini though May 18 08:02:44 there was also some other unneeded apps that were not possible to remove May 18 08:02:49 you have to factory reset after doing that as they are installed on first boot May 18 08:03:02 also you can boot loop the device if you delete the wrong thing May 18 08:03:07 you can delete literally anything that way May 18 08:03:15 including core system components May 18 08:03:27 if you break it, you can just put them back May 18 08:03:30 yep, but i don't want to root my phone. some banking apps etc won't work after that May 18 08:03:34 you need something like twrp for this May 18 08:03:40 you can unroot after doing it May 18 08:04:05 once you are happy with the set of default apks you dont need root any more May 18 08:04:26 ok. but sounds like much of hacking. i'd just prefer minimal android install with as few preinstalled stuff as possible. May 18 08:04:42 that's the easiest way to get it, trust me May 18 08:05:30 hmm i wiped the partition table from this SD card and it still wont format it May 18 08:05:36 and somehow android resurrected it May 18 08:05:52 i will DD over the first 10MB... that should do it May 18 08:08:04 hmm i think this SD card is broken, it's not writable at all :( May 18 08:09:57 i bought a bag of cheap 8 gig sd's from ebay, they all were fake. formatted ok, but data was corrupted. May 18 08:10:21 this is a sandisk 32GB bought from a trusted retailer May 18 08:10:35 it worked for ages... it has all my photos from my old phone on it May 18 08:10:47 can still read it, just no longer writable May 18 08:11:41 it looks like you can write to it but as soon as you replug it all the files are back May 18 08:46:25 here's review of the steam link app.. so it converts a phone to a steam link terminal https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/05/with-steam-link-app-your-smartphone-can-be-an-imperfect-gaming-monitor/ May 18 08:46:44 i wonder if keyboard controls work as expected May 18 11:15:32 who are most active in this? May 18 11:47:22 seems everyone is off for a lunch break (at least those living in a GMT timezone) May 18 11:48:54 BST ;) May 18 11:52:59 ali1234: I have several cards with this behaviour already, the cells on flash are probably weared out so the controller switched the card to read only May 18 11:53:11 better than unreadable card ;) May 18 11:53:57 I'm trying to figure out why WirelessUpdate popped up a notification this morning offering to install a Gemini ROM that appears to have a revision date back in March. May 18 11:57:15 true, it's BST now there :) May 18 11:57:25 (I'm in GMT+1 btw) May 18 11:57:35 Oh, and now I see UpdateDate is 2018-05-11. May 18 12:19:45 no idea sorry... at least there seem to be no related post neither on OGG nor on FB May 18 12:19:57 (and OESF of course) May 18 12:20:20 I'm not too eager to install a ROM update if I'm the only person in the world that's being offered one, with no mention of an upgrade being available in any of the Gemini discussion venues. May 18 12:20:53 good idea... May 18 12:30:27 Just been offered the upgrade and now installed. May 18 12:32:08 Patch size 67.57M May 18 12:35:03 Same one here :) May 18 12:35:32 * leinir_ downloads May 18 12:43:19 oh, need to check mine May 18 12:44:37 "WirelessUpdate has stopped" :-) May 18 12:45:25 Hmm... mine is showing 61.59 MB. "UpdateInfo" section offers no details except a warning not to interfere with the update process. May 18 12:45:41 67.51MB here May 18 12:46:19 very chinglish ui May 18 12:47:22 ended with dead android "Error!" May 18 12:49:12 that's bad May 18 12:50:13 well, android still boots so i suppose it was successful May 18 12:53:22 nope, the WirelessUpdate launched again and offers the same update May 18 12:54:08 the downloaded archive was maybe corrupted May 18 12:54:25 "Testing update mistake, please download the update package again" May 18 12:55:15 I'm not a native English speaker, but still that sentence doesn't sound right to me May 18 12:56:33 it's very badly translated but i would guess it means "The update file checksum test failed. Please download it again." May 18 12:56:37 it offers only InstallNow and InstallLater May 18 13:02:34 no option to skip the installation? May 18 13:04:03 SteveGoodey and leinir_ haven't been heard from since saying they were installing the update. May 18 13:04:23 Sorry, i got sidetracked :) May 18 13:04:31 Worked ok for me. Gemini running fine. May 18 13:04:33 It installed and told me that it completed successfully :) May 18 13:05:02 Thanks! May 18 13:05:54 Would be nice to know what the changes are. May 18 13:15:49 facebook died, can't ask help from there May 18 13:21:40 Just trying the update now....fingers crossed! May 18 13:26:10 I survived my first system uograde. Now showing Kernel version 3.18.41 from 2918-05-19. May 18 13:26:53 While I'm waiting for this thing to boot up again - I wanted to check what side of MicroSDs everyone is using? Called into CeX while popping out for a lunchtime sandwich and they had a 400GB Sandisk going for £135 GBP which I thought was a good deal...(second hand of course but should be relatively unused...) May 18 13:27:11 -side +size May 18 13:27:46 No, 2018-05-19. May 18 13:28:42 Android upgrade complete - patch level now 5th February 2018 May 18 13:30:23 seems as if connman has been improved to the point where it doesn't work anymore. May 18 13:35:27 I just did an update and it didn't pick up a new connman, have you added some other sources? May 18 13:38:21 oh and whoever was moaning a lack of 5Ghz, just connected to my *5 network and it works fine, never normally bother with it as the range is less and its not like my upstream connection is ever going to max out my 2.4Ghz wifi May 18 13:51:14 canny[m]: no microsd at all :-) May 18 13:52:48 cos-: I'm telling myself I don't need one just yet.....(it's not working though!) May 18 14:06:45 I'm kinda disappointed the Gemini doesn't have that "New PDA Smell" like the Psions had :( May 18 14:13:31 Planet should really consider to ship the Geminis with this inside: http://www.arbremagique.com/am/en/trees/new-car May 18 14:14:52 There's probably a spray can somewhere with that smell May 18 14:15:01 on the shelf next to the 'new car smell' May 18 14:19:47 So long as it doesn't small like LYNX / AXE, I can cope ;) May 18 14:20:32 The smell of http://www.atari.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/page_hero_lynx.jpg May 18 14:20:39 -small +smell May 18 14:33:02 Zevv: lol...I'm sure that would smell better than the nasty body spray... May 18 14:38:19 I'll dig it up tonight and smell for you May 18 14:38:25 I'm sure it must be somewhere May 18 14:44:11 cos-: Basically, it let's you stream any game from your desktop to an android device, in this case, the gemini. Since the Gemini has a keyboard, games are extremely playable. May 18 14:45:05 anyone know if it can stream from steam on linux? May 18 14:46:24 apparently it does :) May 18 14:48:13 Yep May 18 14:49:15 The only issue I've had is a little lag due to the wifi here, if the wifi weren't so noisy it would be better. May 18 14:53:03 i need to try it when i re-install steam May 18 14:53:15 also need to try steam-vr again May 18 14:53:42 anyone tried to plug a gemini into a vive yet? lol May 18 14:58:05 "Connect to the server is unusual, please try again" OMG :D May 18 14:58:20 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=34992&view=findpost&p=285944 May 18 14:58:42 I'd send a screenshot of that to the engrish.com guys May 18 14:59:07 I hope that Planet has a way to fix all those error messages May 18 14:59:17 those updates 10/5 and 11/5 have been on the platen download page since at least yesterday when i was messing around with the flash tool May 18 14:59:31 just saying, since nobody mentioned it May 18 15:04:50 adam_b (IRC): Just the usual apt-get update apt-get upgrade. when i opened connman this morning there was a message saying new blank configuration and did i want to save the old configuration to merge with it (by unspecified means) later. i said to save the old one, but when i went to configure a new network the old tricks no longer worked -- for instance, the wireless menus were all greyed out. have we established May 18 15:04:50 something where wifi turns off when the gemini is closed, automagically? May 18 15:06:18 no there is nothing like that, we do have the aeroplane key turning it off, but cmst will still let you turn it on again May 18 15:08:39 i got the same message but i was able to reconfigure wifi with no problems May 18 15:09:37 no extra problems anyway :) May 18 15:16:11 adam_b (IRC): additionally, twice now when i've opened the device after closing it in linux, i've been greeted by an android login screen. so the keypress catcher isn't working or something has been improved to brokenness. May 18 15:17:04 adam_b (IRC): additionally, twice now when i've opened the device after closing it in linux, i've been greeted by an android login screen. so the keypress catcher isn't working or something has been improved to brokenness. May 18 15:19:06 depscribe[m]: Two possibilities: We cannot block a long keypress (which would turn it off, then with a later giggle turn it on again -> android), or something really bad happened and the device rebooted -> android May 18 15:19:37 These instances are after the device was sat still on the side, or in a bag/pocket on the move? May 18 15:23:03 adam_b (IRC): one of each. both after i did an upgrade yesterday. May 18 15:35:10 that implies the second option, as keys are more likely to get pressed when on the move, uncertain what would cause a reboot - its basically the same kernel as android so should have the same stability May 18 15:36:18 just to check you have to login each time you open it? (gemian-lock is running) May 18 15:56:00 adam_b (IRC): yes. world map, login, the works. every time except the two instances when it produced android login screen, inescapable but by long esc press (if i log in to android i get a window saying my ext 4 mmSD needs to be reformatted, and it won't let me do anything else until i agree to that, which of course i won't. lord i hate android. May 18 15:57:36 finally got a tracking code May 18 15:57:44 oh and what does 'last' tell you in (it might tell you what time it rebooted) May 18 15:58:09 now let's see if my gemini will arrive during the gemini zodiac sign May 18 15:58:38 depscribe[m]: wonder if a rooted android kernel would let you use ext4, or if you had a tiny fat partition on your card it would let android be happy and not cost you much in terms of disk space May 18 16:00:26 depscribe[m]: be interested to hear if turning wifi off (fn+aeroplane) each time your leaving the device for a long time makes it more stable May 18 16:01:24 adam_b (IRC): last reports a system boot at 19:00 on Thu Dec 31 May 18 16:01:41 that sounds unlikely May 18 16:03:19 on mine last lists a full list of every login+reboot with times and dates all in the 'now' so to speak, last boot 16th so its had two nights of sleeping with wifi off and not reboot on its own May 18 16:04:17 there are, going up the list, jan 1, sone times in november . . . those are always kind of groggy times, but i think i would remember having had a gemini . . . May 18 16:04:47 sone=some May 18 16:04:55 does it know the current time? May 18 16:07:17 adam_b (IRC): time and date and year. May 18 16:08:39 last -10 will show you just the most recent bit, try a login/logout and check its putting the current date on things May 18 16:20:21 adam_b (IRC): it has me on tty7 wednesday, a system boot with 3.18.41+ on jan 8, me again wednesday, and other stuff, including a crash yesterday and one the day before. the stuff for today is unremarkable. May 18 16:20:37 adam_b (IRC): it has me on tty7 wednesday, a system boot with 3.18.41+ on jan 8, me again wednesday, and other stuff, including a crash yesterday and one the day before. the stuff for today is unremarkable. May 18 16:21:14 so it is crashing then May 18 16:21:22 the crash reports are followed by (-127+-6:-9) and (-127+-8:48), thursday and wednesday respectively. i have no ides what this means. May 18 16:24:49 but at least one of them, today, has gone unrecorded, while i do not recall the wednesday event, but it wasn't something that gave an android login screen. May 18 16:25:24 the crash may be attached to the boot date rather than the crash date May 18 16:26:46 brand new gemini signing in! May 18 16:31:36 adam_b (IRC): ah. May 18 16:38:02 in both cases, i believe, chromium and thunderbird were both running minimized, if it matters. May 18 19:43:40 Baidu_Location.apk... hmmm May 18 19:47:58 EasterEgg.apk :) :) May 18 19:48:14 is that just the standard google one? May 18 19:54:31 I think the standard google one reports to NSA, not to the Chinese equivalent :p May 18 20:08:45 probably explains why it thinks i am in germany tho May 18 20:19:50 here is a list of all the default installed apks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kw6jpx4XbJ/ May 18 20:20:46 sorted list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6qTBCFW5X7/ May 18 20:48:25 oh, i missed some, in /vendor/operator/app - that's where the gemini apps live May 18 20:48:40 except launcher3 May 18 20:55:22 and they aren't dexified :) May 18 21:06:31 com.pripla = Private Planet right? May 18 21:16:08 how the LEDs work: com.android.Notification manager has been patched with a new member function openLed(a, b, c, d, e) a = LED number, the others are presumably R, G, B and brightness May 18 21:18:48 if you try to run LEDison on unpatched android, it will just catch NoSuchMethod exception and log "No HW leds" May 18 21:33:16 those apk downloads on http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Troubleshooting don't work... they can't be installed because they are already installed May 18 21:33:22 even if you uninstall them May 18 21:33:41 they still exist in the vendor directory, so it refuses May 18 21:34:02 also the application bar one is older than the version in the current firmware May 18 23:06:52 I think I might have downloaded a corrupt firmware file. May 18 23:06:54 https://photos.app.goo.gl/qYz2iP0tnd75vnPQ2 May 18 23:08:28 Yes, that looks like the problem: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WH73iAq38HgTTZRk1 May 19 00:22:10 OK, so I have flashed dual-boot and booted in to Debian. But I dont know the password for user “Gemini” What is it? May 19 00:22:54 Also: How do I power-down in Debian? The Esc key is not working, and I can’t make the (tiny) on screen buttons work either. May 19 00:57:10 Any word on what's in the latest update? May 19 01:00:01 Next question… I have found out that the Gemini password is “planet” on the Debian install, but what is the default root password? I am trying to install software May 19 01:00:44 try 「sudo -i」, which asks the user's password? May 19 01:01:13 (didn't receive my Gemini yet, just guessing what's available) May 19 01:43:27 I haven’t found how to get a terminal yet… May 19 01:44:46 (There is “QTerminal” but that isn’t acting like a shell. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 19 03:00:00 2018