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May 23 04:58:56 <Beiriannydd> finally got .local hostnames resolving under Linux chroot from Android
May 23 04:59:34 <Beiriannydd> basically adding avahi and messagebus users to /etc/group
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May 23 14:48:05 <canny[m]> Okay, i realise I may take some flack for this question - and I've had my Gemini for 5 days so far...but here goes: How do you turn it OFF-OFF (as Peter Kay would paraphrase)?  I mean, not just the screen turned off...but fully off, where the battery will not drain?
May 23 14:48:06 <canny[m]> I only have the standard Android install so far, but will be experimenting with using the flashing tool next week, so I was curious how to power-cycle the unit.
May 23 14:48:43 <ali1234> hold function-escape
May 23 14:50:07 <canny[m]> Bingo!  Cheers ali.  First I couldn't work out how to unbox the thing, and now this!
May 23 14:50:08 <canny[m]> (and I call myself a techie...***hangs head in shame!***)
May 23 15:16:03 <devyl[m]> finally... order locked ....
May 23 15:16:04 <devyl[m]> *g
May 23 15:21:03 <depscribe[m]> i see we've got an updated lxc-android today. does this mean we're closer to working phone/4G data?
May 23 15:26:58 <Zevv> yay, I have mine. First question: I configured the keyboard using the gemini keyboard app, but language is still wrong (for example, shift-2 gives me " instead of @) and the keboard still clicks and rumbles
May 23 15:27:39 <Zevv> so where did I go wrong?
May 23 15:49:30 <SteveGoodey> Zevv: Check the playstore. There's an updated version of Gemini keyboard app. But perhaps you're aware of that?
May 23 15:50:51 <Zevv> no just found that out
May 23 15:50:59 <Zevv> Ill reflsh
May 23 15:51:21 <Zevv> ill flash by hand later, as I do not want  a google account on my device
May 23 15:51:25 <Zevv> but thanksks
May 23 15:51:42 <Zevv> getting usde
May 23 15:51:53 <Zevv> to the keyboardm sory for  the mess
May 23 16:47:34 <depscribe[m]> am up-to-date best i can tell, and an attempt to do a colon, :, produces a single quote, ' . what have i broken?
May 23 16:47:45 <depscribe[m]> this of course in linux.
May 23 16:48:35 <depscribe[m]> meanwhile, fn+m is m
May 23 16:50:26 <depscribe[m]> (i should note that this is in doxbox, so probably never mind.)
May 23 16:50:35 <depscribe[m]> doxbox=dosbox
May 23 17:29:10 <ali1234> the keyboard has ghosting... ER -> T, RT -> X, 90 -> C, GH -> V
May 23 17:30:11 <ali1234> and its in hardware :(
May 23 17:31:41 <ali1234> "how not to design a matrix keypad"
May 23 17:40:28 <NeKit> how to trigger it?
May 23 17:41:07 <ali1234> open some text input program and press e, r, o
May 23 17:41:21 <ali1234> all at the same time, and you''ll get a 0 as well
May 23 17:41:23 <ali1234> UK keymap
May 23 17:43:22 <depscribe[m]> kind of makes one wonder what gemini would be like if they'd used a good SoC and it were fully documented, doesn't it,
May 23 17:43:34 <NeKit> confirmed
May 23 17:43:36 <ali1234> it has nothing to do with the SoC
May 23 17:43:43 <ali1234> it's just a badly designed keyboard
May 23 17:44:11 <NeKit> well, it's unlikely you will normally press 3 keys at same time when typing
May 23 17:44:16 <ali1234> basically for any two keys, there will be some third key that produces a ghost input event
May 23 17:44:34 <ali1234> try typing ()
May 23 17:44:53 <ali1234> shift + ( + ) gives a ghost C
May 23 17:44:59 <ali1234> will be annoying if you are writing code
May 23 17:45:52 <NeKit> but usually you press (, then ), not () at once
May 23 17:46:06 <Captain_Harlock[> Depends on which keys. On thinkpad laptops, I have to disable the keyboard beep that happens when you press 3 or more keys are the same time as it will bee frequently while typing.
May 23 17:48:39 <Captain_Harlock[> It depends on how quickly  you type. I've found that when typing really fast, I don't always get the previous key lifted before the next is pressed.
May 23 17:48:48 <ali1234> exactly
May 23 17:50:45 <Captain_Harlock[> I would really like to see cording keyboards take off.
May 23 17:54:30 <NeKit> it's funny, but Google Docs in Chromium works better for typing than currently LibreOffice
May 23 17:55:34 <NeKit> I really wonder what causes that in Xorg driver, help regarding it would be nice
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May 23 20:44:13 <depscribe[m]> any word as to the status of hdmi out via the short planet cable under linux?
May 23 21:08:05 <NeKit> depscribe[m], not done, need research and Xorg driver improvement
May 23 21:09:10 <depscribe[m]> thanks. was going to try a mockup of what i hope to be able to do with gemini at the office, but without hdmi that would be kind of pointless.
May 23 22:32:43 <depscribe[m]> a puzzle: doing an update/upgrade, and lxqt-common from gka.thinkglobally.org is stuck at 26 percent.  then "an error occurred while applying changes." this in muon, because unlike synaptic it is readable.
May 23 23:33:21 <depscribe[m]> wouldn't d/l from a terminal, either. rebooted and now works.
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