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May 30 06:33:23 <razumihin> Some courier just called that there is a packet for me.  I suspect it might be a gemini. So varti[m], heads up.
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May 30 09:49:20 <razumihin> VartiWork: I think you did not notice, but at least my gemini seems to be in transit for delivery today.
May 30 09:49:30 <razumihin> Delivery guy called earlier.
May 30 09:57:02 <VartiWork> great
May 30 09:57:20 <VartiWork> still no news about mine
May 30 09:58:21 <razumihin> Of course it can be something else, but I don't know anything else that I would have ordered by courier.
May 30 10:31:36 <Kero> no news about mine, either :(
May 30 10:33:04 <Kero> oh, update #56
May 30 10:34:59 <razumihin> I didn't receive any warning prior that courier.
May 30 10:35:12 <Kero> wifi-only still being quality-checked, so I need a little more patience.
May 30 12:46:49 <VartiWork> seems like someone has received the external camera, together with his Gemini
May 30 12:46:59 <VartiWork> (comment on IGG)
May 30 12:47:10 <cos-> oh, hopefully they'll ship soon
May 30 12:47:41 <cos-> still using my old jolla as primary phone because no camera..
May 30 12:48:51 <VartiWork> "Order number 4533 here – arrived in South Africa, Dvorak keyboard working beautifully. I also got the camera module, but haven’t installed it yet – not wanting to mess with the clean lines of the vanilla unit."
May 30 12:49:35 <VartiWork> hoping my Gemini will be shipped together with the module
May 30 12:54:59 <Captain_Harlock[> I didn't order the camera module, but I've been contemplating doing so. Has anyone reported back on it, after getting it installed?
May 30 13:20:05 <VartiWork> haven't read any review on it yet
May 30 13:21:56 <razumihin> Seems that the package that I received was not gemini :P
May 30 13:22:17 <VartiWork> ouch
May 30 13:22:22 <VartiWork> I feel your pain :P
May 30 13:22:38 <razumihin> Well, it will come eventually
May 30 13:22:48 <VartiWork> yes
May 30 13:23:17 <VartiWork> BTW, an off-topic question, asking here since I believe there are some ex-Zaurus users here: does anybody have any archive of old Zaurus software that he'd like to share?
May 30 13:23:50 <VartiWork> I'm archiving on OESF as much Zaurus software as possible, and will put it online someday
May 30 13:24:35 <VartiWork> in particular, does anybody have a copy of the intent OS for the SL-5000D?
May 30 13:25:09 <VartiWork> it was available here, but archive.org doesn't have a copy of it: https://web.archive.org/web/20020205154539/http://sl.yunimo.com:80/SL/SL-5000D/
May 30 13:27:43 <Captain_Harlock[> The only zaurus software I have is what is on the sl-c860, and sl-5600 that I have.
May 30 13:29:53 <VartiWork> ok, so only already-installed software I guess
May 30 13:29:57 <VartiWork> thanks anyway
May 30 13:30:49 <Captain_Harlock[> I had a copy of all the ipks at one point, but that hard-drive died. :(
May 30 13:35:28 <VartiWork> :(
May 30 13:39:02 <cos-> i suppose zaurus warez scene is not very active nowadays
May 30 13:45:54 <VartiWork> hehe indeed
May 30 13:46:33 <VartiWork> there were some commercial titles and games back in the times, but nowadays I don't think anyone cares about this anymore
May 30 13:48:13 <VartiWork> I wonder if there will be any commercial software specifically made for the Gemini ever
May 30 13:48:22 <sheepbat> the 5000D.. was that the original japanese-only one?
May 30 13:48:47 <VartiWork> yes, the first Zaurus with Linux, for developers only
May 30 13:55:38 <devyl[m]> i have some stuff for the 5500D
May 30 13:55:59 <devyl[m]> and yes there was commercial stuff: softmaker office
May 30 13:56:34 <devyl[m]> (but i dont have it ^^... i have some openzaurus, qt and cacko roms... some ipks)
May 30 15:06:53 <munchausen> Hey, I was trying to get a USB->serial converter to work, and I just noticed that /lib/modules doesn't exist
May 30 15:07:00 <munchausen> Does the kernel not support loadable modules?
May 30 15:07:50 <munchausen> (My battery died just after, halfway through typing a find command for *.ko...)
May 30 15:08:21 <munchausen> If it does support modules, is there a more complete set available somewhere?
May 30 17:59:03 <NeKit> munchausen, it was compiled without modules
May 30 17:59:30 <NeKit> you would probably need to build custom kernel and PR the changes later to Gemian if on Linux
May 30 18:00:51 <munchausen> NeKit is there any reason it's compiled without modules?
May 30 18:00:54 <munchausen>  
May 30 18:04:12 <NeKit> basically that's just the way it's compiled on Android, and I didn't modify it
May 30 18:04:44 <NeKit> (so no particular reasons)
May 30 18:04:51 <munchausen> Cool, thanks
May 30 18:05:20 <munchausen> I will build it with module support and a "complete" set of modules tonight then
May 30 18:05:41 <NeKit> I wonder what is complete set though
May 30 18:06:02 <munchausen> Yeah I dunno. Probably just every imaginable USB device?
May 30 18:06:47 <NeKit> maybe at least the common ones like USB Ethernet or USB Serial, every imaginable doesn't make a lot of sense to me
May 30 18:07:17 <munchausen> Might look at what some default kernels in big distros use
May 30 18:07:37 <munchausen> Well space isnt exactly short
May 30 18:07:53 <munchausen> You might want to do anything with the gemini
May 30 18:08:47 <munchausen> Though I think most of my more exotic hardware uses libusb
May 30 18:11:16 <munchausen> I also haven't looked at what filesystems are supported currently
May 30 18:15:06 <munchausen> btw I was wondering why /proc/cpuinfo only shows one cpu (with a really generic description)
May 30 18:15:14 <munchausen> ?
May 30 19:03:35 <NeKit> munchausen, try checking it during some load
May 30 19:03:41 <NeKit> they turn on/off dynamically
May 30 19:04:10 <NeKit> do you see MT6797P/X in description?
May 30 19:09:02 <NeKit> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688?view=permalink&id=1836682353299472 - rather suprised someone managed to run Exagear and Wine on Gemini
May 30 20:03:38 <sheepbat> Wine?
May 30 20:03:48 <sheepbat> is it just doing api emulation?
May 30 20:04:11 <sheepbat> oh, that is what exagear is for
May 30 20:04:16 <sheepbat> fascinating
May 30 20:04:31 <NeKit> Exagear is proprietary and expensive though
May 30 20:05:14 <sheepbat> hmm.. noted
May 30 20:22:47 <munchausen> NeKit yes you are right
May 30 20:23:37 <munchausen> Under load I see more cores. I've never seen that before
May 30 20:24:16 <munchausen> The description has "MT6797X"
May 30 20:24:46 <NeKit> so you have X27 version
May 30 20:40:04 <munchausen> Good to confirm :)
May 30 20:57:25 <munchausen> I've managed to make chromium quite a lot more usable... disable the bookmarks bar and system title bars and borders, then install the "sticky header hider" extension
May 30 23:55:21 <munchausen> NeKit I ended up just selecting pretty much all of the most likely looking USB devices
May 30 23:56:23 <munchausen> ... and it looks like I broke something
May 31 00:29:09 <munchausen> Ok, it at least builds now
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