**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 31 03:00:08 2018 May 31 07:23:58 NeKit: I'm relieved to hear that Exagear works, I bought it when it was sold at a discounted price last January, without knowing if it would work May 31 08:56:11 anyone tried to use usb-c ethernet adapter other than the one shipped by Planet? May 31 08:57:17 I got my Gemini, but none of the accessories were shipped (yet) :( May 31 08:58:29 so I am thinking about getting myself an usb-c ethernet adapter from Amazon, but it would be nice to know upfront if it will work ;) May 31 09:00:39 something like this one: https://www.amazon.de/Techole-Aluminium-Netzwerkadapter-Chromebook-Ultrabooks/dp/B0792S3SMB May 31 09:04:18 Omegamoon: your best bet is to get an adapter like the ones on this page: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux May 31 09:04:28 for example, https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/usb-30-101001000-gigabit-ethernet-network-adapter-tpe-1000net3 May 31 09:04:36 look on ebay for "AX88179" May 31 09:04:49 or buy one from thinkpenguin themselves May 31 09:05:03 note that for now external Ethernet hubs only work under Android, not under Linux May 31 09:05:37 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=34999&view=findpost&p=286005 May 31 09:06:50 also, someone suggested this: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=34719&view=findpost&p=285486 May 31 09:08:30 VartiWork: that first thread seems to be talking about the ethernet in the supplied hub May 31 09:08:49 VartiWork: which is to say, the specific ethernet hardware in that hub, as opposed to all ethernet hardware May 31 09:12:30 you're right, I was assuming that ethernet wasn't working at all regardless of the used device May 31 09:12:45 s/device/hub/ May 31 09:17:36 if only Planet had sent out the accessories together with the Gemini device... then I wouldn't have to look into alternatives :( May 31 09:19:05 did they do this by mistake, or is everybody getting the accessories separately? May 31 09:19:55 I have also backed for a Gemini + accessories + camera, I'm still wondering if I'll get them together May 31 09:23:46 That sucks, Omegamoon - I got my USB/Ethernet hub with my unit. Is yours on the way? May 31 09:26:07 no canny[m], they responded to my question last week with "Due to stock limitations, we are still processing some of the accessory orders. I have escalated the matter to my colleague who is responsible for the deliveries and those should hopefully be with you very soon. We will update you once the upgrade package is on it's way to you. We would like to thank you for your patience and we're sorry for any inconvenience this might b May 31 09:26:35 and I asked for an update again today... May 31 09:27:52 Sounds like they are having inventory issues with the accessories as well as the Geminis themselves - hang in there! May 31 09:29:32 Omegamoon: what would be the alternatives? May 31 09:29:56 the alternative to "hang in there" ? :P May 31 09:31:16 Wait impatiently and fume? Fair point ;) May 31 09:32:28 well, I am looking at some USB-C adapters now... Amazon.de is a good option for me to order from May 31 09:36:09 I don't have any accessories using USB-C connection... May 31 09:51:56 I ordered this one: https://www.amazon.de/UGREEN-Netzwerkadapter-Gigabit-Ethernet-Ultrabook/dp/B00MYTSN18 May 31 09:52:37 it has the AX88179 chipset... thanks for mentioning that rah :) May 31 09:52:43 let us know if it works, when you'll get it May 31 09:53:03 I will :) May 31 09:53:40 i wonder how they managed to make a uncompatible hdmi adapter May 31 09:54:03 cos-: because the chipset doesn't have provision for one at all May 31 09:54:05 I'm compiling a list of compatible accessories: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34912 May 31 09:54:37 that they managed to build one at all is kind of neat, though it does mean it's sort of... a hack May 31 10:02:03 I also order this one: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B072V9CNTK May 31 10:03:22 Omegamoon VartiWork I've built more or less all the USB modules I could find for 3.18 May 31 10:03:58 Did get time to test last night, but in principle it should support any USB-ethernet that works with linux May 31 10:04:05 s/Did/Didnt May 31 10:04:09 Omegamoon: np, please let us know how it turns out May 31 10:05:29 I have an AX88179 USB 3 network card myself but no Type C adapter May 31 10:05:48 VartiWork: does it make sense to list stylii? isn't the touchscreen standard capacitive one like any other phone? or is it possible that some stylus doesn't work shomehow? May 31 10:06:19 Has anyone tried a stylus with the gemini yet? I ordered a wacom bamboo tip yesterday May 31 10:07:09 i have a pen with touchscreen stylus rubber tip, i can try with that. May 31 10:07:13 Hoping it will make life a bit easier in linux. I keep finding myself trying to use a trackpoint that isn't there. Stylus worked quite well on the 5mx May 31 10:08:18 I was hoping to find a very narrow stylus like the 5/5mx. It fitted so well between index and middle finger while typing May 31 10:10:09 it could also be good if it magnetically clipped to the magnets that hold the device closed (along the front seam) May 31 10:17:01 cos-: "passive" stylii (i.e. with no electronic parts in it) work only unidirectionally (stylus->screen), and the screen's capacitive layer is enough to get basic data from it (i.e. where the stylus is pressing on the screen) May 31 10:19:11 for things like pressure-sensitive drawing and multiple stylii usage on the same screen, an interactive stylus must be used, with a two-way communication via wifi or BT May 31 10:20:05 Personally I don't have a need for anything more than a basic pointing device May 31 10:20:21 Even though the surface is not as nice, I wish they had used a resistive screen May 31 10:20:52 for the latter, a standard has been defined (USI), but this still depends on a driver, and I imagine there will be stylii out there who are not 100% compliant with the specs May 31 10:24:04 I'll probably also need just a basic stylus May 31 10:25:57 the stylus from N900 doesn't work with Gemini :( May 31 10:26:34 kilobyte: i would have been very surprised if it did, really... as excellent as the n900 touch screen was, it's still resistive ;) May 31 10:26:35 (would be convenient for me for the transition period :p) May 31 10:28:05 I can't help wondering if a steel copy of a psion stylus would work May 31 10:28:09 Or luminium May 31 10:28:27 conductive, essentially :) May 31 10:28:37 Perhaps with a softer tip May 31 10:30:20 just got a response from Planet... "It looks like the accessory orders are currently in locked status which means they're pending fulfilment in our UK warehouse. This will likely happen within the upcoming week, but there's also a chance it will get shipped to you earlier." May 31 10:33:12 wrt ethernet adapters: looks like there's no module for r8152 in the kernel (the adapter shipped with Pinebook); my other USB ethernet dongle is in use right now May 31 10:34:08 * kilobyte didn't get around to RTFM how to install a rebuilt kernel yet. May 31 10:41:38 anyone tried using Petitboot on the Gemini yet? May 31 10:43:12 I'm preparing a build for use in the recovery partition, making it possible to network boot alternative kernels May 31 11:08:42 tested with normal pen stylus, works fine May 31 12:47:08 do we know if there is going to be a TP release 2? or is it going to be incremental, as it has been the last weeks. May 31 13:52:46 depscribe: there is a TP2 in the works, but its mostly just a wrapup of all the updates so far, so of little interest to those who've already done the updates, though some of the fixes are being applied in a better way as its NeKit doing most of the work for it May 31 13:56:46 munchausen, that wacom bamboo tip you ordered... that's a crazy expensive thing! May 31 15:55:19 Omegamoon I had an amazon voucher to use up, so... May 31 16:08:22 Wouldn't a Wacom Bamboo be overkill for such a small device as the Gemini? This morning, I bit the bullet and finally flashed the dual-boot image on my unit. And quickly realised that under Linux, one does indeed need a stylus of some sort...(and possibly a new spectacles prescription!) May 31 16:09:22 canny[m] I don't know. I don't use a tablet and I have always used phones with a keyboard, so i don't know what I'm looking for May 31 16:10:06 But I didn't want one with a giant rubber nub, it needed to be precise. And I'd rather not randomly buy 10 gbp devices only to have them be below par, so... May 31 16:11:22 I'd prefer a passive one in all honesty, but my understanding is passive styli with fine tips do not work on all capcitive screens May 31 16:15:45 munchausen: you could try what I did - start off with a cheap Pound-shop (or Euro-shop) passive stylus pack of two stylii for the princely sum of 1.14 euros (pic shortly) - and if that doesn't suit, go for something more expensive. Although you are right, the larger one isn't too 'fine' a tip... May 31 16:17:56 https://s33.postimg.cc/t9vbpgffj/stylii.jpg May 31 16:18:28 The smaller one is a little more practical though - and telescopic! May 31 16:21:32 Instead of the stylus route for the use with Linux, I am working on a usb-c mini trackball mouse. using the trackball from a blackberry. May 31 16:21:51 The intention is to have it clip to the side of the gemini. May 31 16:24:57 Captain_Harlock: I can see that working in my mind - like some of the earlier laptops having their side-clipped-on trackerball peripheral sticking out the side of the keyboard. Would be precise and retro-cool too... May 31 16:27:04 You know what, Captain_Harlock? You just reminded me that I picked up a second-hand bluetooth gyro remote control unit. I intended to use it with one of my android STBs - but it would be perfect for the Gemini as my fat finger (or stylus) won't be in the way of the screen. (pic to follow) May 31 16:29:38 https://s33.postimg.cc/5nzpgshbz/gembox-remote.jpg May 31 16:31:04 The only problem is: it's about half the size of the Gemini itself! I might look like a wierdo, waving a remote control around in the air in a cafe, like Harry Potter's wand! May 31 16:31:28 interesting, How do the gyro remotes work, in practice? I've never used one. May 31 16:33:35 I tested it on my laptop when I bought it - it really works like a spellcaster's wand. Move it around in the air and it moves the pointer around the screen. It has a 'mouse' mode and a navigation mode (like arrow keys). May 31 16:35:22 . o O O ( wonders if I could make it look like a wand - but that would be even more nerdy! ) May 31 16:45:04 Then again, the bluetooth Thinkpad mouse I picked up the other day is a practical size: May 31 16:45:05 https://s33.postimg.cc/o7il89y27/thinkpad-mouse.jpg May 31 16:45:28 (yes, I buy a /lot/ of second-hand tech!) May 31 16:51:44 Captain_Harlock : Wouldn't the Gemini be a tremendously better device if it incorporated that little pointing thing that was on the last models of May 31 16:52:10 the real Blackberry, after the trackball pea and before BBOS10! May 31 16:53:47 i've been using a kensington slimblade when i absolutely must have a pointing device. May 31 16:54:04 it makes me seek ways to not absolutely need a pointing device. May 31 17:54:52 man.. now i want one of those May 31 17:55:13 i've been using a twiddler with my oneplus for the past year May 31 17:55:29 the mouse nub on it is great May 31 18:06:23 did anyone try Chinese active-passive stylus? May 31 19:23:57 depscribe: perhaps somebody builds a trackpoint device which could be inserted directly into the usb c port? May 31 19:24:43 I think(!) that on linux, the thouchscreen driver can do a relative mode as well - so the touchscreen can be used as a touchpad May 31 19:26:24 I used the later for a linux deploy on the motorola photon q (the last smartphone with a keyboard) which works quite well May 31 19:37:26 The relative mode, would be very useful, I wasn't sure what that was called, I will have to give that a try. May 31 22:43:58 Do I need to buy a separate usb-c cable to flash linux? May 31 22:50:59 sb35: one comes with the charger, it's USB-A to USB-C May 31 22:51:14 sb35: instead of the charger, plug it into a computer May 31 22:59:38 so how, then, do we enable this relative mode which is spoken of so glowingly? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 01 03:00:09 2018