**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 08 03:00:18 2018
Jun 08 06:33:18 <Omegamoon> I got the camera, assembled it, but it does nothing... anyone can tell me how it SHOULD work? if I assembled it correctly, that is...
Jun 08 06:33:18 <Omegamoon> should the camera app just automatically give me the option to switch between front and back camera?
Jun 08 07:19:13 <razumihin> Oh wow termux is great.
Jun 08 07:50:34 <devyl[m]> indeed :)
Jun 08 08:29:18 <Aix_> NeKit: I am trying to build the postmarketos images for gemini pda using the device-gemini-pda branch in pmbootstrap but am running into " sha512sum: can't open '40-hwcomposer.conf': No such file or directory 40-hwcomposer.conf: FAILED" I couldn't find that file in the device folder its mentioned in your last commit in the APKBUILD file, is there a build step i am missing or need to get that file from else where ? I am following the
Jun 08 08:29:19 <Aix_> pmbootstrap example steps
Jun 08 08:30:28 <NeKit> which package is it?
Jun 08 08:30:58 <Aix_> https://github.com/postmarketOS/pmbootstrap/tree/device-planet-geminipda
Jun 08 08:32:12 <NeKit> Aix_, forgot to push it, please pull
Jun 08 08:32:39 <Aix_> NeKit: thanks! pulling
Jun 08 10:31:38 <Omegamoon> to answer my own question about the camera earlier... if you assemble the camera correctly, then the camera app will automatically add the option to switch between front and rear camera :)
Jun 08 10:32:09 <Omegamoon> mine was not assembled correctly before, but now it works
Jun 08 11:00:34 <ali1234> what was wrong?
Jun 08 11:04:44 <Omegamoon> ali1234, apparently the connection was not good... I removed it an reinserted it again, and now it works
Jun 08 16:14:23 <TallTim> Speaking of hardware connections - anyone ever have some intermittent SD-Card issues? Sometimes the Gemini reports it can't see the SD Card, but then later I check and its fine.
Jun 08 16:14:51 <TallTim> I checked it physically, its firmly in the socket and not slipping out - though I do notice that it doesn't have a locking mechanism like a lot of phones usually do for SD Card slots.
Jun 08 16:15:05 <TallTim> Just curious if anyone has anything similar... I'm on a x27 Gemini
Jun 08 16:18:12 <Captain_Harlock[> I haven't experienced that at all.
Jun 08 16:19:03 <TallTim> Right, was asking if someone has.
Jun 08 16:28:56 <razumihin> *Sigh* I was debugging quite long why my terminal shows broken latin1 chars in one markdown file on gemini. Well, it was actually OSX's fault when i created the file as it's locale was broken :)
Jun 08 16:29:14 <TallTim> ouch
Jun 08 16:29:37 <TallTim> Like missing a semicolon in a nested class file.
Jun 08 16:29:40 <TallTim> Not fun.
Jun 08 16:29:46 <razumihin> Got vim working nicely under android by using termux.
Jun 08 16:29:48 <razumihin> Yeah
Jun 08 16:30:00 <razumihin> Sa
Jun 08 16:30:03 <TallTim> Termux is excellent
Jun 08 16:30:13 <TallTim> Threw elinks on there
Jun 08 16:30:22 <razumihin> d that dropbox does not work like in real linux.
Jun 08 16:30:26 <TallTim> Easier for now before I do the full root-n-wipe
Jun 08 16:30:35 <TallTim> ah
Jun 08 16:31:08 <razumihin> I can manage with using offline files and manual sync, but it still sucks :)
Jun 08 16:31:55 <TallTim> Just think where it will all be in a year.
Jun 08 16:32:09 <TallTim> I know they're working hard to improve things steadily.
Jun 08 16:32:52 <razumihin> Yeah, sadly gemini is the only android device where i can see myself using this system.
Jun 08 16:33:38 <razumihin> They still mainly develop it for people with on screen keyboa
Jun 08 16:33:40 <razumihin> rds.
Jun 08 16:34:09 <razumihin> And seems like i accidentally hit the enter key on the gemini much more often after two beers :)
Jun 08 16:34:09 <TallTim> Still, pretty happy using it with Nova Launcher
Jun 08 16:34:23 <razumihin> Yeah.
Jun 08 16:34:33 <TallTim> Yeah, the enter key is on the edge there - I do tend to hit it
Jun 08 16:34:43 <razumihin> I think that nova+termux make gemini a very good device already.
Jun 08 16:34:46 <TallTim> But touch-typing on it isn't too difficult at least.
Jun 08 16:35:14 <TallTim> It surprised me that I could pick it up as fast as I could. Even slightly buzzed - at the pub lol
Jun 08 16:35:35 <razumihin> Yeah, i've got the same experience.
Jun 08 16:35:52 <razumihin> It's way better than gpd pocket
Jun 08 16:35:56 <TallTim> Going to try the space-bar paper shim method though
Jun 08 16:36:06 <TallTim> It tends to not register unless hit on center
Jun 08 16:36:10 <razumihin> And I don't really miss real linux.
Jun 08 16:36:15 <TallTim> h
Jun 08 16:36:19 <TallTim> heh yeah
Jun 08 16:36:41 <razumihin> Android is much better suited for power users than i thought.
Jun 08 16:36:51 <TallTim> I think I'll do a linux install eventually - but probably root android and then use LinuxDeploy -- already have a Kali and Ubuntu image ready.
Jun 08 16:37:07 <TallTim> Waiting for the tools for flashing and junk to mature.
Jun 08 16:37:11 <razumihin> I put the dualboot image in, but i have yet to start the debian.
Jun 08 16:37:14 <TallTim> Or just the process ;)
Jun 08 16:37:19 <TallTim> ah
Jun 08 16:37:35 <razumihin> Because termux actually does everything i need.
Jun 08 16:38:03 <razumihin> I'd like to get vs code, but then again I would need to compile it myself for Arm64 anyway.
Jun 08 16:38:37 <razumihin> I'm pretty happy with vim, and android has an app for everything graphical i need to do.
Jun 08 16:38:56 <TallTim> I was a bit surprised that basic network utils weren't already in Termux, but it was easy enough to pull down and install.
Jun 08 16:39:02 <razumihin> Yeah.
Jun 08 16:39:11 <TallTim> nice, I should get vim running
Jun 08 16:39:17 <TallTim> Maybe nano too for quick stuff
Jun 08 16:39:38 <razumihin> I even just copied my .vimrc and .vim from my mac and it worked fabulously.
Jun 08 16:39:51 <TallTim> Nice.
Jun 08 16:40:03 <razumihin> YCM would need python in compile options, but there's a good alternative for that too
Jun 08 16:40:37 <razumihin> I think I'll be writing latex documents and even some c-code with gemini.
Jun 08 16:41:16 <razumihin> I really can't think how device like this did not exist for almost a decade now :)
Jun 08 16:41:31 <TallTim> Used to do network admin, this would've been invaluable.
Jun 08 16:41:37 <TallTim> hah yeah.
Jun 08 16:42:01 <TallTim> Even without massive battery usage tuning, still get decent life out of a charge. I'm pretty satisfied with that.
Jun 08 16:42:13 <razumihin> Yeah, I'm a software/embedded hardware developer so i normally carry a macbook pro with me
Jun 08 16:42:32 <razumihin> But i can see myself using gemini with serial usb devices in the future.
Jun 08 16:42:54 <TallTim> Absolutely. Having all your gear on one pocket is aces.
Jun 08 16:43:02 <TallTim> Or in, rather
Jun 08 16:43:11 <razumihin> Yeah, i've been tinkering with the gemini for the whole day and just got the low battery notification.
Jun 08 16:43:16 <razumihin> Yeah.
Jun 08 16:43:44 <razumihin> This is not the fastest or the best device for the task, but I'll always have it
Jun 08 16:44:26 <razumihin> Now I just wish that planet has calculated their finances correctly and they can keep making these kind of devices.
Jun 08 16:45:07 <TallTim> Its snappy enough for me, but I haven't been spoiled on other mobiles devices I guess.
Jun 08 16:45:37 <TallTim> I will support any device Planet makes if its the same kind of build quality and featuresets
Jun 08 16:47:56 <razumihin> I've got ipad pro so I'm pretty used to the highest end arm devices, but this is still fast enough for ny uses.
Jun 08 16:48:56 <razumihin> I really like the power in the ipad, but mostly it matters when you're drawing stuff with a stylus.
Jun 08 16:49:08 <TallTim> Well, that isn't fair considering the form factor and such ;)
Jun 08 16:49:10 <razumihin> And I don't intend to do any of that with gemini anyways.
Jun 08 16:49:14 <razumihin> Yeah.
Jun 08 16:49:34 <razumihin> But i still think my iphone SE is twice the speed of this thing or something.
Jun 08 16:49:49 <razumihin> But I don't care. It does not have a keyboard :(
Jun 08 16:49:51 <TallTim> I didn't benchmark personally. I'm sure some have.
Jun 08 16:50:23 <TallTim> Right, works for me. And I do enjoy the fact that not every punter has one at this point.
Jun 08 16:50:25 <razumihin> And iOS is not suited for things where you need to use command line tools anyway.
Jun 08 16:50:35 <TallTim> Siloed apps, no
Jun 08 16:50:46 <TallTim> Did some basic dev on iOS... wasn't impressed.
Jun 08 16:51:04 <razumihin> I still like the fact that I have never rebooted my iphone, but still.
Jun 08 16:51:04 <TallTim> digital certs for their walled garden were annoying
Jun 08 16:51:30 <TallTim> XCode complaining about DRM... tossed that over my shoulder and went to android.
Jun 08 16:51:34 <razumihin> I kind of think that there's a place for that too. Gemini/Android is just better suited for many things.
Jun 08 16:51:37 <TallTim> Compile, push APK to mobile, done.
Jun 08 16:51:42 <razumihin> XCode is quite horrible.
Jun 08 16:52:18 <razumihin> I don't really like the apple dev policy either.
Jun 08 16:52:23 <TallTim> Not sure if its just the GUI or what, but there's a baziilion drop-down menus and contextual things that seem tacked-on
Jun 08 16:52:31 <razumihin> Not going to write any software on that platform.
Jun 08 16:52:34 <TallTim> But I'm done with their little ecosystem
Jun 08 16:52:41 <TallTim> Precisely
Jun 08 16:52:58 <razumihin> I feel like it went to shit at the time steve jobs died.
Jun 08 16:53:42 <razumihin> iPad pro has some idea how it should be on the pen stylus usability side, but that's my paper notebook replacement, not my computer.
Jun 08 16:54:35 <razumihin> I feel like gemini is more like a computer that has a phone glued on than phone with some phone features. iPhone is just the opposite.
Jun 08 16:54:49 <TallTim> hah, good observation
Jun 08 16:54:58 <TallTim> It does feel more like a computing device to me.
Jun 08 16:54:59 <razumihin> I like iPhone SE because it's kind of a dumbphone more than a smartphone.
Jun 08 16:55:51 <TallTim> I still have a stainless steel Nokia "lozenge" 8801 lurking somewhere
Jun 08 16:56:16 <razumihin> That's a nice phone. My boss had one of those as his second phone just a while ago :)
Jun 08 16:56:55 <TallTim> I know this has probably been asked before -- but is there a physical second sim slot? Android says it sees one, but I don't know where it is located physically.
Jun 08 16:57:20 <TallTim> I only see the camera connector, sd card and one sim connector on the backside of the display panel
Jun 08 16:57:33 <razumihin> I think it's only the esim
Jun 08 16:57:37 <TallTim> ohok
Jun 08 16:58:00 <razumihin> I think that at least in the UK there were no providers that supported it yet.
Jun 08 16:58:18 <razumihin> I haven't even checked in Finland.
Jun 08 16:58:54 <razumihin> I might be interested about that when i go abroad. For instance, could I get a japanese data plan for that.
Jun 08 16:59:39 <TallTim> The only thing holding us back is the cellular fiefdoms ;)
Jun 08 17:02:24 <razumihin> Actually i should check what happens on my main carrier with brexit.
Jun 08 17:02:37 <razumihin> Nowadays I have same prices for finland and uk i think.
Jun 08 19:13:00 <akik> my first feel of the gemini; heavy and big
Jun 08 19:29:41 <NeKit> got UART serial working for boot debug, not very complicated, but not very convenient either
Jun 08 19:30:12 <NeKit> solder point is very small
Jun 08 19:30:39 <Kero> nice!
Jun 08 20:27:59 <rah> NeKit: awesome
Jun 08 20:28:56 <rah> NeKit: how distruptive is it to the case?  could you go back and use it normally after accessing the UART?
Jun 08 20:29:22 <NeKit> case is removed easily with included tool
Jun 08 20:29:39 <NeKit> (it's under SIM tray plastic)
Jun 08 20:29:56 <NeKit> *under plastic cover on same side as SIM tray/SD card slot/etc
Jun 08 21:17:46 <rah> NeKit: do you think it would be possible to make a permanent mod to expose UART connections externally?
Jun 08 21:20:23 <NeKit> maybe we could utilize something like http://www.stevenhoneyman.co.uk/2014/11/mtk-mediatek-debug-cable.html instead
Jun 08 21:20:40 <NeKit> that article is for older SoCs, but we still seem to have that kind of detection code
Jun 08 21:22:56 <NeKit> https://gitlab.com/mt6797/vendor/blob/ALPS-MP-M0.MP9-V1.78.1_NB6797_6C_M/mediatek/proprietary/bootable/bootloader/preloader/platform/mt6797/src/drivers/usbphy.c#L1261
Jun 08 21:23:18 <NeKit> I don't get how that works, but maybe someone here will have a better idea
Jun 08 21:32:50 <rah> NeKit: yeah that would be awesome
Jun 08 22:10:35 <ali1234> soldering to USB C connector will be almost as hard as those test points
Jun 08 22:10:51 <ali1234> but maybe you can buy it on aliexpress already
Jun 08 22:13:09 <ali1234> alternatively it could be designed with USB A male and female connectors so that you just plug in in between the PC and a generic USB C cable
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