**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 12 03:00:05 2018 Jun 12 06:58:42 i'm so glad I don't use the Gemini as my daily driver yet... not sure what happened, but since yesterday afternoon the device couldn't boot into Android anymore... I'm not aware of any changes I made, I was just trying to setup debian but I guess that messed up... something :-/ Jun 12 07:00:24 so now back to a fresh install (again)... setting things up from scratch... I lost count how many times I did this already :) Jun 12 07:13:18 Omegamoon, did you have Magisk in Android? Jun 12 07:13:44 no, I didn't Jun 12 07:13:53 basically avoid mounting /system partition rw unless you have Android rooted, if you mount it (even through) GUI, it will break Jun 12 07:14:09 if you didn't reflash everything yet, try flashing rooted boot Jun 12 07:14:39 ah, right... I did try to mount the android partitions from debian Jun 12 07:15:16 I already reflashed the device again Jun 12 07:18:56 TheKit, like I said, it's not my daily driver yet, so I only lose my setup ;) Jun 12 07:19:44 well, good to know what happened anyway Jun 12 07:20:02 Android has dm-verity feature which prevents boot if system partition was modified Jun 12 07:24:01 ah, thanks for sharing that... didn't know that... so even mounting the partition is enough to screw things up then? Jun 12 07:24:41 yes, as for /system Jun 12 07:24:53 userdata can be mounted safely, but it's encrypted by default Jun 12 07:40:17 Omegamoon: you haven't read my (old) guide :-) Jun 12 07:40:25 http://coshacks.blogspot.com/2018/04/gemini-pda-hackers-guide.html Jun 12 07:43:51 cos-, indeed, I missed that one, but thanks for sharing :) Jun 12 10:05:04 LOL https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gemini-PDA-Wifi-Planet-Computers/202322004081?hash=item2f1b54c871:g:8gAAAOSwUl5bB8AD Jun 12 10:05:43 i tried to sell mine for 1000€ earlier, didn't sell Jun 12 10:06:17 how much!?!? madness! Jun 12 10:06:54 iirc the best seller was £1500 on ebay Jun 12 10:10:32 thats bonkers Jun 12 10:13:45 they don't even have it yet Jun 12 10:13:46 if money is not a problem and you want a gemini, then why not.. Jun 12 10:14:49 just seen that's for the wifi only one to boot :D :D :D Jun 12 10:15:17 I suppose so - a fool and his money are soon parted. But it's the fool's choice! Jun 12 10:17:01 there are rich people and people who acquire gadgets they want as early as possible Jun 12 10:21:10 but the listing says "coming soon" :D Jun 12 11:18:30 would this work with gemini? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-USB-C-Type-C-Male-USB-3-0-To-USB-A-Female-Adapter-OTG-Data-Sync-Cable/272731897409?hash=item3f80167e41:m:m_q8kNcCA-YMhgUk1D7Urtg Jun 12 11:35:49 finally managed to correctly setup my keyboard Jun 12 11:36:52 I wanted to use a different language on Android than the keyboard layout's one (Slovenian, my keyboard is Croatian) Jun 12 11:37:18 VartiWork: are you from Slovenia? Jun 12 11:37:53 Italy, but I'm part of the slovenian ethnic minority Jun 12 11:38:47 as it stands, in the Gemini Keyboard app you cannot select a keyboard layout different than the main system language Jun 12 11:39:24 so you need to set it up under the Android physical keyboard config Jun 12 11:41:55 there is a Slovenian Gemini keyboard layout, but it acts as an US English one, probably because there are no Gemini with a Slovenian layout Jun 12 11:48:01 Ok. i'm just coming to Slovenia (Boveĉ) for vacation after midsummer Jun 12 12:18:13 ah, Bovec Jun 12 12:18:31 the Triglav's National park is lovely Jun 12 12:19:06 and you ought to pay a visit to the lake of Bled Jun 12 12:20:17 with its island in the middle, which can be reached only with rowboats Jun 12 12:20:32 (or by swim, as I did a couple of times :) Jun 12 12:21:06 I live not that far from Bovec anyway (1hr and a half by car away) Jun 12 12:21:17 ok, i'll add it as a waypoint :-) Jun 12 12:21:55 there was also a good cave that was recommended to us.. and one not so good (spoiled for tourists) Jun 12 12:22:57 Postojna? Škocjan? Jun 12 12:23:17 (whoops wrong client :P) Jun 12 12:26:07 Škocjan should be the better one Jun 12 12:28:47 yes, it's smaller than the Postojna one, but much less crowded with tourists Jun 12 12:30:09 Postojna is anyway great and really big (you cross a part of it with a smaller electric train, such is its extension) Jun 12 12:30:22 but the entrance tickets are expensive as hell Jun 12 12:31:56 while you are in Bled, don't miss the Vintgar gorge, well worth a visit Jun 12 12:32:08 and the nearby mount Ojstrica (https://siol.net/trendi/potovanja/bled-in-njegovo-razkosje-spektakularnih-razglednih-tock-je-ta-najlepsa-video-360-439466) Jun 12 12:32:53 plus the customary cremeschnitte at the Hotel Bled Jun 12 12:33:22 (sorry for the long OT, ending it now) Jun 12 12:35:25 thanks for hints :-) maybe we should spend a night at Bled.. Jun 12 12:49:29 Bled was awesome at least in 2005 Jun 12 14:18:47 mifritscher, finally got at least some output https://bpaste.net/show/9867fac6f59b :) Jun 12 14:52:15 what's the state of cellular phone/data under debian? i'm eager to try it, but have just one sim/cellular account. Jun 12 15:09:13 I can report that termux-desktop under Termux works well, and it even includes "The Powder Toy" lol Jun 12 15:09:20 That amused me to no end seeing it running on the Gemini Jun 12 15:09:42 Melt down fictitious nuclear plants and cackle? Yes! Jun 12 15:13:45 dep: still in progress - today I got the sms in/out + conversation display working - still broken is marking a conversation as 'read' and probably plenty of other niggles I've not found yet Jun 12 15:36:50 adam_b : does making/receiving phone calls work even a little? Jun 12 15:37:57 and will the usual update/upgrade bring in your changes, or is there another repo i need to add? Jun 12 15:51:49 hello peeps Jun 12 15:51:59 just to let you know I received my Gemini today Jun 12 15:52:10 TheKit :) Jun 12 16:36:33 is anyone living in this channel? Jun 12 16:36:41 or you're all zombies Jun 12 16:36:59 should I bring my zombie apocalypse gear here Jun 12 16:37:04 and start the shit on Jun 12 16:37:08 wake up people Jun 12 16:37:33 it was more active before backers had shit Jun 12 17:05:38 fi-na-lly "Order locked" (wifi-only, NL) Jun 12 17:06:46 Looking forward to obtaining my unit! (next week, when I'm home again) Jun 12 17:57:02 what order # are you approximately Kero? Jun 12 18:12:44 i am lurking here Jun 12 18:12:58 eh, steve-marino already disappeared Jun 12 18:13:31 people have got to remember to think of irc as an asynchronous medium. Jun 12 18:17:56 getting a wifi unit today in canada apparently, dhl fee was 16 dollars Jun 12 18:25:01 dep: in theory outgoing calls work, but the UI isn't set to switch audio between closed/opened/audiojack/headset options, should probably do that in the background based upon whats plugged in/open/closed state etc, still nothing for incomming call, lock screen interaction etc, very early days, there was a 3 week gap as we bumped from stretch to buster, uncertain if that was worth while though Jun 12 18:28:29 mobile data was working on stretch, but is known to be not working on buster yet (experimenting with ubports ofono vs sailfish ofono) Jun 12 18:31:34 changes should be backportable to stretch, one reason for experimenting on buster is to avoid messing up existing users on stretch Jun 12 18:40:55 this page says "coming soon" http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Gemini_Firmware#WiFi-Only_Gemini this one makes no mentions of versions https://geminiplanet.com/how-to-install-debian-linux-on-the-gemini/ am i going to have to wait? Jun 12 18:44:45 ssbb: probably best to wait, but if your proper impatient you can take a backup of your device https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/Flashing#other-useful-tools (I've not tried it but I noticed it appear on the bottom of that page) then use a backup of your existing android with a customised re-partitioned scatter file and the linux part from one of the other types of phone (linux part Jun 12 18:44:51 is the same) Jun 12 19:03:28 regtools: 26xx Jun 12 19:30:28 TheKit, 4.17... great job, that looks promising! Jun 12 20:02:07 not really, I didn't do anything to it further than getting serial console and it doesn't boot further than that output Jun 12 20:37:05 TheKit, can you bring me up to speed on the steps you took to get this far? Jun 12 20:41:22 get CP2104 or similar USB to UART (better if it has 1.8V logical level though, otherwise don't connect Tx to Gemini's Rx or use voltage divider), wire it as on https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=6053 (leftmost is Tx, next is Rx) Jun 12 20:43:30 any things to take care to when disassembling the unit? Jun 12 20:43:50 then I used Linaro arm64 toolchain and 4.17 kernel tarball from kernel.org. Kernel config is based on default arm64 defconfig with few MediaTek-specific drivers enabled. The key for getting output on serial is to include "console=uart8250,mmio32,0x11002000" in forced cmdline in config Jun 12 20:44:48 Omegamoon, nothing in particular, first step is to remove metal cover as you do when inserting SIM, then just unscrew the plastic cover with small enough screwdriver Jun 12 20:55:52 my gemini thinks it has 2 sim card slots. is that normal? i can only find one Jun 12 20:58:48 nullr0ute[m]: The 2nd one is the eSIM Jun 12 20:58:59 TheKit, just for clarity... the PCB picture has 2 red circles Jun 12 20:59:06 it's an embedded electronic SIM card - depending on where you are you probably can't get it provisioned yet Jun 12 20:59:53 the left red circle shows 2 wires though... left one is TX and right one is RX right? Jun 12 21:02:16 Omegamoon, correct about TX and RX Jun 12 21:03:11 what is the right red circle about, do you know? Jun 12 21:03:20 or is it just GND? Jun 12 21:04:37 or the other exposed solder pads? Jun 12 21:05:46 GND Jun 12 21:06:38 cool, thanks for sharing... I'll give it a try Jun 12 21:07:26 baud rate is 921600, if UART is working, you should see rather noisy output from preloader/LK at device power on Jun 12 21:12:36 I would be glad to see any serial output to start with :P Jun 12 21:49:16 It is normal. One is the eSIM, the other is the slot. The OS sees both. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 13 03:00:01 2018