**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 19 03:00:04 2018 Jun 19 07:00:04 adam_b_: 11/05/2018 is an updated version, the original is 30/01/2018 Jun 19 08:42:41 Captain_Harlock[: thanks that did the trick Jun 19 09:13:13 Okay, setting the dpi to 600 is kind of a pro tip on android. Jun 19 09:13:42 Programs run in tablet mode and many of them have a much better layout. Jun 19 09:13:44 Seriously yes, it makes it work much more like... well, a palmtop device than a phone :) Jun 19 09:13:58 and since that's what it is, well, silly not to ;) Jun 19 09:14:09 I had the dpi on 460 before and I was frustrated by some of the apps. Jun 19 09:14:14 Yeah Jun 19 09:18:04 yep, 600dpi was a good change.. now if i could move the navigation buttons back to right.. Jun 19 09:19:18 I just disabled those Jun 19 09:19:37 I can use the keyboard shortcuts anyway. Jun 19 09:19:57 i bet they are difficult to use while standing Jun 19 09:20:14 Somewhat, but I have managed Jun 19 09:22:26 I have quite long fingers, so I can even thumb type pretty well :) Jun 19 09:50:25 well, I managed to remove the resin on my keyboard frame using some white spirit, as per instructions by Planet's support Jun 19 10:04:52 sorry folks, when you mention DPI setting, this would be the Developer Options > Drawing > Smallest width setting? (defaulting to 360dpi) Jun 19 10:05:50 is that the setting you's are discussing? (tried 600dpi but it was tiiiny) Jun 19 10:11:21 That's the one, yes :) Jun 19 10:13:13 canny[m]: Yeah, that one. Also change the font to big size from the other display options menu Jun 19 10:33:45 I cant use 600 with the standard launcher as the ^ in bottom left is untappable... touch screen doesnt respond at all that close to the edge it seems. Jun 19 10:34:11 More importantly I am sure I had Google Play store last boot of Android on my dual boot device - now it has gone and GMail etc dont work?!? Jun 19 10:36:38 GMail won't run without Google Play services, which are not supported by your device. Jun 19 10:37:25 Sounds like your play services have broken for some reason. Jun 19 10:37:47 Have you freezed some processes with titaniumbackup or something Jun 19 10:38:10 hmm, true.. the ^ in bottom left is untappable. any workaround for this? Jun 19 10:38:43 I'm using nova. Jun 19 10:40:18 razumihin: it's the stock Android (albeit from the dual boot flash) and it had play services/store when it was last powered up a couple days ago. I have been in Debian since but not to my knowledge done anything to upset Android Jun 19 10:40:38 I could reflash it easily enough but it's concerning if it likely to break again at any time Jun 19 10:41:14 nova launcher is not available at f-droid.. is it closed source or otherwise evil? Jun 19 10:41:18 razumihin: leinir : cheers...will try it again once I'm off this conf call ; ) Jun 19 10:41:43 cos-: I think it is :) Jun 19 10:41:51 I think i paid something for it. Jun 19 10:42:28 I don't remember as I have been using it on old cars' android for quite long. Jun 19 10:43:02 can anyone recommend a launcher from f-droid? Jun 19 10:43:30 500dpi and biggest font...I'm liking it! Jun 19 10:44:57 canny[m]: I'm not sure where the tablet layout line goes, but after getting to that the software behave more appropriately for the gemini. Jun 19 10:46:13 to be fair I like it in tablet mode and larger font size... just need to find a launcher that doesn't need hitting the tiny ^. I shall do so once I get it back into a state that play store works Jun 19 10:46:55 I have to say that my most used app is termux anyway :) Jun 19 10:47:19 I really dig this usecase where I can use irc etc. while i'm doing something else. Jun 19 10:48:08 Like right now I'm watching my kid playing and saving him from getting into trouble :( Jun 19 10:48:12 *:) Jun 19 10:49:32 * moon127 tries reflashing everything except linux given I have that how I like it Jun 19 10:55:27 razumihin: I hear you on that. Last friday evening I was validating new members on the forum on the Gemini while my three kids were playing at our kindergarten's year-end party Jun 19 10:56:27 the Gemini is the only device where I can do that stuff as fast as at home on my laptop Jun 19 10:57:47 huh so flashing everything but linux and userdata didn't fix it - but flashing userdata and setting android up again did. Concerning, but at least it's fully back in action as I am demo'ing it to a small usergroup near home tomorrow night - Android and Debian Jun 19 11:01:14 VartiWork: :) Jun 19 11:01:29 VartiWork: Same experience, gemini is supr Jun 19 11:01:32 er handy Jun 19 11:03:10 razumihin: you just need to get used to what I call NMI (non-maskable interrupts) happening at random times, i.e. your kids asking for your attention, or checking what are they doing Jun 19 11:05:07 :) Jun 19 11:31:00 hmmm 600 dpi brings tabletmode uis... but the fonts are very tiny... is it possible to enlarge the font with 600dpi more than it is possible in display settings? Jun 19 11:31:56 I don't think so at least without doing some root modifications. Jun 19 11:32:30 I'm pretty happy with 600 and the largest, but I understand that this can be bit small for some. Jun 19 11:32:40 I'm just glad I got a new spectacles prescription last week - I think I needed varifocals, just to view the screen in such a high dpi setting... Jun 19 11:34:03 I still can manage with single prescription :) Jun 19 11:34:53 i have a rooted gemini :) Jun 19 11:35:34 razumihin: you're probably not as over-the-hill as I am ; ) Jun 19 11:36:23 Only in my 30s :) Jun 19 11:37:42 I use 480dpi, since 600dpi is far too small... in 600dpi the side-buttons show up at the bottom, which is rather ugly Jun 19 11:37:47 I think I'll be needing dual prescription glasses quite late concidering my parents. My father still doesn't need glasses for reading. Jun 19 11:38:25 I just disabled those anyway. Jun 19 11:39:02 razumihin: 43 candles on my cake - and feeling it! I had removed my navigation buttons on my rooted device. I think I'll drop it down to 480 and give that a go... Jun 19 11:52:38 :) Jun 19 11:57:07 just picked up my Gemini - looking good! Jun 19 11:57:19 Kero: congrats Jun 19 11:57:59 Kero: sweeeet! enjoy.. Jun 19 12:09:41 i installed the fairphone 2 launcher, it's not working properly in landscape Jun 19 12:10:32 changed dpi to 480 on launcher3, now it's possible to open the ^ menu Jun 19 12:23:13 I am using TSF launcher, which has gestures as well as handy side-menu... really brilliant for use on the Gemini... Jun 19 12:28:53 closed source probably, not on f-droid at least.. Jun 19 12:44:31 HI Jun 19 12:44:40 i am facing PDA 4G update issue Jun 19 12:46:45 i'm hoping that in the future, i can nuke android completely and just run a pure unix Jun 19 12:47:20 depends if you consider linux pure unix :-) Jun 19 12:57:53 I'm actually pretty happy with the android after I found out that termux can use decent arm repositories. Jun 19 12:58:09 But then again, I'm willing to use closed source software :) Jun 19 12:58:44 So I do understand that people with more purist attitude will want to run linux instead. Jun 19 13:03:53 satya01: what are the issues? Jun 19 13:37:28 keyboard is awesome, although I will have to get used to the tiny keys. excessive audio interference on headset. Jun 19 13:38:58 usb-c sound cards should work.. Jun 19 13:39:06 cos-: I'm leaning towards a BSD-flavoured one in the long term. Jun 19 13:39:44 cos-: I'll try out my chord mojo and see if I can get sound out of that (its a sweet USB DAC, but not a USB-C one) Jun 19 13:39:48 afk Jun 19 13:46:07 happily, when playing audio, the interference is gone. Like reported by others. Jun 19 14:08:04 i found the config file: /data/system/users/0/settings_system.xml Jun 19 14:08:10 there is a setting named font_scale Jun 19 14:08:39 the default maximum value is 1.3 Jun 19 14:08:42 1.6 looks nice with 600 dpi Jun 19 14:10:20 but some apps dont use the font scale at all or have graphical issues Jun 19 14:10:22 :( Jun 19 14:10:43 so if one want to use table uis 1.3 is the maximum font scale Jun 19 14:11:02 +t Jun 19 14:23:36 it would be nice to force apps to use the tablet ui without change the dpi to 600 ... Jun 19 14:25:22 Yeah. Jun 19 14:36:33 found a way, but haven't tried: https://android.stackexchange.com/a/187235 Jun 19 14:36:55 since it is not a setting... ^^ Jun 19 14:37:56 Looks complicated :) Jun 19 14:39:43 hm it's nothing you could done on device... an official way from PC would be nice... maybe with custom system image. Jun 19 14:48:09 does anyone know if there is documentation for building libhybris? can't seem to find compile flags etc for gemini Jun 19 14:50:53 Darkimmortal: for what system are you building that? Jun 19 14:51:32 for the gemini itself Jun 19 14:51:50 but I mean what distro Jun 19 14:51:55 oh debian Jun 19 14:52:21 if you take the one from the gemian org it should build fine as thats what comes with it Jun 19 14:52:56 Darkimmortal: maybe check the configure options used for sailfish https://github.com/mer-hybris/libhybris/blob/master/rpm/libhybris.spec#L254 for hints Jun 19 14:53:23 of the form 'debuild -b -uc -us' to make you a package Jun 19 14:53:29 <_sven> do we have a flash-sailfish-howto? Jun 19 14:54:08 ah cool my bad didn't notice the debian directory in the repo Jun 19 15:01:04 _sven: this http://coshacks.blogspot.com/2018/04/gemini-pda-hackers-guide.html ? Jun 19 15:02:04 <_sven> mal: thanks Jun 19 16:14:50 my order still says "placed" but I just got DPD tracking number from UK. So I think my Gemini is on the way finally (CZ layout, order 64XX) Jun 19 23:11:20 * Kero waves from his Gemini \o/ Jun 19 23:12:10 key mappings in termux are not quite what they should be Jun 19 23:36:27 Have you updated the keyboard program? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 20 03:00:08 2018