**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 20 03:00:08 2018 Jun 20 06:19:03 yes, I updated the kbd programm but since Shift-2 is still `"` instead of `@` in e.g. the Notes appm I Jun 20 06:19:40 am sure it is still a wrong mapping Jun 20 08:04:01 Are there any Psion IRC channels alive anymore? :-) Jun 20 08:05:36 mr_lou: not sure...have recently joined a Psion FB group though Jun 20 08:05:37 (of course, I'm regretting giving my old palmtops to my nieces.. they never used them and they are now in bits or...lost!) Jun 20 08:06:12 Cool to that first part, although I don't use Facebook - not so cool to that second part. :-) Jun 20 08:07:23 I'm fighting the urge to pick up a 5 / 5mx on fleaBay... I want one but I don't /need/ one anymore! Jun 20 08:07:36 heh Jun 20 08:07:44 I still have my old trusty Ericsson MC218. Jun 20 08:07:49 I use it for writing. Jun 20 08:07:55 . o O ( someone needs to develop an Android EPOC emulator ) Jun 20 08:08:06 hehe, I thought of that too. :-) Jun 20 08:08:56 Currently experimenting with Java development for Psion. Jun 20 08:09:03 That's good fun. Jun 20 08:10:03 interesting... what are you developing, and for what hardware? Jun 20 08:10:25 or is it just for the sake of 'trying it'? Jun 20 08:13:55 I was thinking of doing a few tools for myself, to create retro graphics for retro games. More specifically for the Amstrad CPC, that I grew up with. Jun 20 08:14:18 Making a Java tool that lets me create pixel graphics, and output the byte arrays and/or BASIC commands that generates those graphics on the Amstrad CPC. Jun 20 08:14:46 That way I could work on these hobby retro games while sitting on the bus and such. Jun 20 08:16:17 could be fun... I remember programming a few simple games on the Psions, but in old-fashioned OPL. (games like 'snap' and 'snake'). but never could get the hang of OO programming.. Jun 20 08:16:42 Neat. :) OPL is interesting, but I'm too lazy to learn new languages all the freakin' time. Jun 20 08:16:51 That's why I favor Java. Let's me develop for a ton of platforms. Jun 20 08:17:10 oh hang on...not 'snap'...but....go fish? pairing cards...that kinda thing. Jun 20 08:18:31 the source of opl is hosted on sourceforge... so if someone want to port, go and take it xD Jun 20 08:19:02 (its the source for opl on symbian) Jun 20 08:19:17 Did OPL "compile" to binary before running, or was it always interpreted? Jun 20 08:19:44 i havent used opl at all xD so... dont know Jun 20 08:20:33 ah and the epoc emulator: it should run if someone get qemu to run with the lastest wine release Jun 20 08:21:01 I came from BASIC on the CPC, and OPL is a lot like BASIC. But not enough to make me embrace it. Too many languages out there. Jun 20 08:21:13 I think it did, AFAIR - the OPL file would be compiled, but not into an executable, but some kind of binary file which would be interpreted...stretching my memory though Jun 20 08:21:30 Could do develop in plain C for the Psion, or was it just C++ (and of course OPL and Java)? Jun 20 08:21:50 *do=you Jun 20 08:24:14 I seem to recall 'modules' that could be created in C++ and compiled into OPX files which were callable within other languages.. but don't think you could compile on the device itself (unlike OPL). Jun 20 08:28:21 mkay Jun 20 08:28:59 Have a gander at: http://www.ericlindsay.com/epoc/siprog5.htm#language Jun 20 08:37:56 Yea I saw that. I also found and downloaded Python, but it didn't seem to work on my MC218. Jun 20 08:41:19 EpocMX looks neat. Jun 20 08:41:46 But my problem again, with lack of time in daily life, that if I develop something - anything - then it has to be able to run on more than one platform. Jun 20 08:42:10 So even though I imagine I'd get more speed from a C++ app, I will still use Java instead. :-) Jun 20 08:43:09 *epocemx I mean. Jun 20 09:01:29 Anyway.... I was thrilled when I heard about Gemini. It was about time someone finally created a successor to the Psion. I expect to get one at some point. Jun 20 09:02:14 But I'm allergic to Android, so I'll want a Linux version. :-) Jun 20 09:03:29 mr_lou: I'm dual-booting at the moment, but the Linux side is still a work-in-progress. But hey, it's something to play about with! Jun 20 09:03:41 :-) Jun 20 09:03:59 My brother backed the Gemini, so he has one. He's "reporting" back to me his findings. :-) Jun 20 09:04:10 He also used to use the Psion 5MX back in the day. Jun 20 09:04:47 canny[m], Do you know if it's possible to completely remove Android, and only use Linux - and also be able to use it as a phone while in Linux? Jun 20 09:04:51 Whatever happened to "Ubuntu Phone"? Jun 20 09:05:07 Sounds like an ideal OS for the Gemini. Jun 20 09:08:13 mr_lou: I don't think so - at least not at the moment. The Linux side uses libhybris for a lot of it's functionality, which requires android to be present. But in the future, who knows? The real stumbling block is the Mediatek chipset and getting drivers for it's components, from what I can tell... Jun 20 09:12:00 mkay Jun 20 09:12:55 I came from J2ME - i.e. developing MIDlets for JavaME enabled phones. Then tried Android development a bit, and got disappointed quickly. Combined with the consistent ad-crap in almost all apps on Android, I've developed an allergie for that OS. :-/ Jun 20 09:13:13 BloatOS. Jun 20 09:13:30 it requires android kernel and libraries to be present - but I think requires neither an android partition nor a full-fledged running android OS Jun 20 09:14:06 so in theory you can repartition. In practice, even I do not do it yet. Jun 20 09:14:33 pretty sure I am getting allergic for android as we speak (toying with it for 2 days) Jun 20 09:14:41 :-) Jun 20 09:14:45 It has that effect. Jun 20 09:14:52 But there's a cure! Jun 20 09:15:05 * mr_lou went back to using an older phone: Sony Ericsson W995. \o/ Jun 20 09:15:20 I hope the retro revolution will start soon. Jun 20 09:16:37 * canny[m] rummages down the back of the sofa for his old Nokia 7110 Jun 20 09:20:24 :-) Jun 20 09:27:28 canny[m], My minimum requirement is that my phone runs JavaME. :-) Jun 20 09:27:33 So no Nokia 7110 for me. Jun 20 09:28:05 I will need to look into the new Nokia 3310 at some point though. Jun 20 09:28:20 So many things do to - but no time. Jun 20 09:38:01 I used to have a 3410, it's a lot like the 3310 but has Java Jun 20 09:38:46 . o O ( so long as nobody mentions....wap! ) Jun 20 09:45:04 Guest21928, Nice. :-) Jun 20 09:45:08 WAP! Jun 20 09:45:08 hehe Jun 20 09:45:17 I was never that impressed with WAP either. Jun 20 09:45:36 Except it was fun to be able to surf some kind of interwebs on a monochrome screen. Jun 20 09:45:54 I think I made a wap page at one time actually. Just to try it out on my T68i at the time. Jun 20 09:46:27 But in general I'm sick of web. Jun 20 09:46:33 Develop for web is insane. Jun 20 09:47:01 "Hey! Let's develop a web-app! Then it'll work for like a month before something changes on the server or clients!". Jun 20 09:47:16 * mr_lou luvs "dead" platforms. Jun 20 09:47:40 it was woeful... I remember writing some CGI scripts for WAP so I could do some basic things like "nslookups" or "whois" queries... but hated it. I only bought the 7110 because it looked a bit like the 8110 phone in the Matrix :) Jun 20 09:47:54 Recently created a Blu-ray eBook project. And I chose Blu-ray because it's a dead platform, which means I know it'll still work in 50 years. Jun 20 09:48:12 hehe Jun 20 09:48:29 Yea that was the first thought I had when I saw the 7110 just now too. Matrix. Jun 20 10:02:16 There must be people still using older devices. I guess they're hiding underground or something. Jun 20 10:02:31 I'd rather develop for old devices than for new ones, for some reason. Jun 20 10:03:58 * greguu too Jun 20 10:05:59 flash_tool: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jun 20 10:06:02 ugh Jun 20 10:06:28 Shared libraries... worst idea ever. Jun 20 10:08:13 shared libraries are fine, it's referencing them through the filesystem that makes things brittle Jun 20 10:08:57 Old apps always wants some old version of some lib that you don't have anymore. And I always want to use old apps. Jun 20 10:09:12 mr_lou: no Psion here, but just finished a fresh build of Void Linux for the Sharp Zaurus. Jun 20 10:09:25 greguu, Nice! Jun 20 10:09:31 yes, and the filesystem means you can't have both the old and new version of libs (though you can *try* to work around that, like Nix does) Jun 20 10:10:50 MonkeyofDoom, Might as well just embed the libs I think. Jun 20 10:10:55 sometimes old stuff does not compile with newer gcc etc Jun 20 10:11:00 True Jun 20 10:11:12 I rarily have success compiling old stuff I download. Jun 20 10:11:14 mr_lou: sharinv between multiple programs that need the same version is nice Jun 20 10:11:15 Except if it's Java. Jun 20 10:11:44 sharing* Jun 20 10:11:44 keep that gcc 4.x toolchain ready Jun 20 10:11:48 MonkeyofDoom, But the whole idea of shared libs comes from a time where saving HD space was important. That's hardly the case anymore. Jun 20 10:12:04 Nowadays shared libs cause a lot more trouble than they spare. Jun 20 10:12:13 disk space isn't the only space that matters; space in CPU cache and RAM still matters today Jun 20 10:12:31 Not that much. Jun 20 10:12:42 ok Jun 20 10:12:56 So you can have 10 Photoshop-sized apps open at the same time? Jun 20 10:13:07 I can settle for less then. :-) Jun 20 10:13:49 * mr_lou is just tired of stuff "suddenly" not working anymore. Jun 20 10:13:57 yes, that's completely unacceptable Jun 20 10:14:24 :-P You're mocking me. I can tell. Jun 20 10:14:29 no, I'm not Jun 20 10:14:47 mkay then Jun 20 10:15:31 I just think the blame for fragiliity lies on weak linkage of programs and dependencies through the filesystem rather than on the idea of sharing library code between programs Jun 20 10:15:42 or s/code/binaries/ to be precise Jun 20 10:16:02 But if a program wants v1.0 of some shared lib, and you only have v2.0, then how does it matter how the linkage is? Jun 20 10:16:05 this is true, I just fixed a SONAME for void.. Jun 20 10:16:32 mr_lou: if you know it wants v1.0, you can easily find a copy of 1.0 on the internet (e.g. your distro's package repository) Jun 20 10:17:32 Well sure, if it's still in the repository, and it's just a matter of "install oldversion" command, then fine. I can accept that. But that's definitely not always the case. Hasn't been for me. Jun 20 10:18:00 I love JavaME that way. Jun 20 10:18:18 Old apps for Nokia 3410 - still runs on the very latest JavaME enabled phone. Jun 20 10:18:19 :-) Jun 20 10:18:24 Embedded systems for the win. Jun 20 10:18:35 for package managers like Nix that allow multiple lib versions (say, 1.2.1 and 1.2.2 of some lib, even) to coexist, keeping old versions around makes sense Jun 20 10:19:02 for pacakge managers like most where you have conflicts, things get ugly and applications end up breaking Jun 20 10:19:05 package* Jun 20 10:19:08 MonkeyofDoom, Agreed. But I don't think they do keep old versions around. Well, maybe one or two previous versions, but that's it. Jun 20 10:19:27 I still vote that we should just embed libs. Jun 20 10:19:29 not keeping things around is the practice because it isn't useful when versions conflict Jun 20 10:19:36 it's the simpler solution for now Jun 20 10:19:45 greguu: saw you on #voidlinux ;) when will void for gemini be available? Jun 20 10:21:18 mr_lou: for arch linux arm, there is quite good "time machine" http://tardis.tiny-vps.com Jun 20 10:23:07 greguu, What made you work on voidlinux for the Sharp Zaurus? Jun 20 10:23:27 greguu, Do you still carry one of those around with you? Jun 20 10:23:27 Kero: good question. I guess once I get time to play with it. Kernel is the main issue atm. Jun 20 10:24:55 mr_lou: void offers musl and is systemd free, xbps-src is a great tool. void had basic armv5tel toolchain. Jun 20 10:31:38 greguu, And that's important then I guess. :-) I'm looking at a YouTube video about VoidLinux now. Looks very nice indeed. Jun 20 10:32:02 greguu: yeah, I have no idea how well void will play with libhybris... Jun 20 10:44:45 Kero: should work with any distro.. just some extra effort. Jun 20 10:46:46 mr_lou: for a system with limited resources, as the zaurus, yes it does matter and void seems to be good choice so far Jun 20 10:47:13 greguu, So you're still using the Zaurus, like others are still using the Psion? Jun 20 10:48:42 mr_lou: I am not sure how others are using their Psion, but I use it to keep it alive. Main drive is now the Gemini. Jun 20 10:48:58 :-) Jun 20 10:49:50 greguu, I use my MC218 (Psion clone) mainly for text authoring. Jun 20 12:05:43 I have used my Zaurus Sl-C1000 during a vacation trip a couple of weeks ago, I have tried to browse the web with its old 2.4.x distro and Opera, unfortunately its SSL library is outdated and no https website could be opened Jun 20 12:06:55 I'm now mostly Gemini-only, though I'll still use my Zauruses from time to time for retrocomputing reasons Jun 20 12:48:24 I still use my sl-c860 from time to time, mostly for writing. :) Jun 20 13:04:13 :) Jun 20 13:13:06 hi Jun 20 13:13:41 my gemini got bricked by the OTA update that failed a week or so ago. I'm trying to flash android on it as per the instructoins on http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Flashing_Guide#Download_and_Install_FlashTool_on_Linux Jun 20 13:13:46 I'm at the backup nvram stage Jun 20 13:14:01 I've hit read back, I've rebooted the gemini Jun 20 13:14:03 and nothing... Jun 20 13:17:38 Captain_Harlock: when you force reboot the gemini it will by default go to flashing mode "at least if you got the gemini pluged into the computer and flash tool is waiting to flash" to force reboot hold escape till reboot Jun 20 13:20:14 on the console I now havE: add@/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-6 Jun 20 13:20:14 add@/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-6/1-6:1.0 Jun 20 13:23:58 Was that supposed to be directed at me? I asked a question to which that would be a good answer many days ago. Jun 20 13:24:53 no the question wasn't harlock accidentally clicked your name Jun 20 13:26:14 and didn't realize, Kitty I flashed the gemini on windows Jun 20 13:27:26 On android, I have set the DPI to 592 in the developer options. I like the size of things, but the homebar, with the Playstation like home/task swithc buttons is now located on the bottom of the screen wasting space. Any idea how to move it? Jun 20 13:27:45 Kitty: I just tried flashing the gemini and rebooting after done to get My gmeini successfully flashed Jun 20 13:28:28 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=35028 - I'm not alone Jun 20 13:28:37 except I'm using debian, which is the fix everyone else is suggesting Jun 20 13:30:22 Captain_Harlock: I like using lmt launcher https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150 as an alternative to the bottom/side bar. Hav't got ming removed yet but you should be able to do it with an xosed module. I think gravity box would be ale to remove the bar Jun 20 13:30:32 bingo, it works. Jun 20 13:31:39 Captain_Harlock: Just make sure to have an alternative before removing the bottom bar Jun 20 13:32:15 something is happening... Jun 20 13:34:13 right, I've flashed it Jun 20 13:34:16 now to see if it boots Jun 20 13:34:22 or just hangs like it used to Jun 20 13:35:01 Kitty: Did you Get the gemini flashed/fixed ? This is why I like windows boxes for hacking phones, windows does games and android hacking better Jun 20 13:35:43 I got a window pop up with a tick in it Jun 20 13:35:46 and the console says: Jun 20 13:35:46 download speed: 29.04MB/s. Jun 20 13:35:47 Disconnect! Jun 20 13:35:56 Kitty: Somestimes the gemini will seem to hang when it needs to reboot, and the first boots take a bit of time Jun 20 13:36:26 the botched OTA update would power up, then just have planets orbitting Jun 20 13:36:29 and take ages. Jun 20 13:36:38 which it was doing now, but it's just given me a language choice Jun 20 13:36:41 why does it default ot german ? Jun 20 13:38:13 Kitty: I'm having trouble flashing on Debian, what did you do? Jun 20 13:38:43 what error do you get? Jun 20 13:39:59 first attempt to run it: I got an error about libjpeg.so.8 being missing. I installed that from here: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libjpeg8/download Jun 20 13:40:17 then I needed to run it as root, but normal sudo/su didn't work as it didn't transfer my X credentials Jun 20 13:40:22 https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/Flashing Jun 20 13:40:29 so then I installed: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/sux/download Jun 20 13:40:34 then it worked Jun 20 13:41:17 oh Jun 20 13:41:27 I used windows to flash debian on the gemini Jun 20 13:41:31 Kitty: the (usual it seems) BROM error Jun 20 13:41:35 I don't want to run as root Jun 20 13:42:14 when you flash debain on the gemini you will also need/want to change the partion scheme Jun 20 13:42:16 Yay accidentally Uninstaller the appear, any idea where to obtain a copy? Jun 20 13:44:05 rah: you either need to work out how to give the right permissions on the right device, or you gotta run it as root, there's not much choice there Jun 20 13:44:25 when you flash you download option only flashes, firmware upgrade ooption is needed to flash plus change partion sizes Jun 20 13:44:31 with a scatter file Jun 20 13:45:42 Kitty: yes I know, thanks Jun 20 13:46:10 so now I've got my gemini working again Jun 20 13:46:17 I have a message about a new firmware being available Jun 20 13:46:22 does the OTA update actually work now ? Jun 20 13:47:26 Not for me unless you have stock partion sizes, i don't becouse of dual booting Jun 20 13:47:32 Kitty: OTA won't work on a dual-booted / rooted Gemini. A manual download and 'apply' apparently does, although I haven't tested this with mine yet... Jun 20 13:47:43 this isn't rooted or dual boot Jun 20 13:47:44 the OTA should work on stock Android-only devices Jun 20 13:47:57 all I've done is fixing the fact that my previous attempt at an OTA bricked it Jun 20 13:55:50 Kitty: when was it bricked? there was a badly-released OTA a week or so back... but it has since been fixed, I hear. I'm not going to attempt to update my dual-boot & rooted machine until this new Linux image will be released. Jun 20 13:57:08 it was the badly released OTA update a week or so ago Jun 20 13:57:10 . o O ( or was that 2 weeks ago? ) Jun 20 13:58:53 Now, I /hear/ the new available OTA handles non-rooted / dual-booted X25 and X27 machines better this time... but I haven't risked it yet! Jun 20 14:01:24 I think ming went into a bootloop when I flahed the update "ming is rooted and dual booting" But becouse I am on vaction I am leary about trying something that might leave my phjone in a bootloop Jun 20 14:01:47 Woo, I have a gemini again Jun 20 14:02:14 * canny[m] isn't so desperate to have LED assignments to calls Jun 20 14:02:59 PlasmaStrike: That's wise... I once completely locked-out my phone when abroad in Malta...'twas a real PITA, I can tell ya. Luckily I had a tablet with me which lessened the pain. Jun 20 14:03:09 Kitty: Nice one - unbricked! Jun 20 14:08:59 anyone know when the rear camera perk is going to ship ? Jun 20 14:09:20 Learned that from experience, my htc hd2 flash partition failed because due to so many rom flashes:) I am waitng till i get home to figure out how to get linux connected to some sort of network "wifi, usb to ethernet, 4g" but hard to go forword without ping in debian on the gemini? Jun 20 14:10:45 Kitty: They're currently shipping - got mine earlier today :) Jun 20 14:11:13 Kitty: some users (including me) have received it together with their Gemini Jun 20 14:24:57 yes... finally it works! Jun 20 14:25:20 I have a USB cable working for UART output Jun 20 14:28:21 I connected a USB-C to USB-A adapter in the left USB port... plugged in a USB-A cable to it... stripped the other end... connected the red, green, black and white wires to a FTDI USB Serial breakout board, and finally connected that to my laptop Jun 20 14:29:45 rebooted the Gemini, and that makes the USB port of the Gemini act as a serial console Jun 20 14:30:15 and nothing other than the usb not being usb is required for that to happen? Jun 20 14:30:20 really neat, since that prevents me from having to solder any wires to the Gemini's mainboard Jun 20 14:31:01 USB Gemini > FTDI > USB Laptop Jun 20 14:31:16 that's all :) Jun 20 14:33:02 presumably you could also do Gemini USB -> serial port on RPi? (for those without an FTDI) Jun 20 14:33:54 I guess that would also work Jun 20 14:35:15 too bad that the kernel is started with `printk.disable_uart=1`, so the output stops after starting the kernel from `lk` Jun 20 14:35:54 but that's something that can be changed easily I guess Jun 20 14:36:19 great Omegamoon Jun 20 14:41:26 hmm Jun 20 14:41:31 on a bad BROM run: Jun 20 14:41:31 ioctl(16, TCGETS, 0x7f53beb07620) = -1 EIO (Input/output error) Jun 20 14:41:32 ioctl(16, TIOCCBRK) = -1 EIO (Input/output error) Jun 20 14:41:36 on a good BROM run: Jun 20 14:41:44 ioctl(17, TCGETS, {B115200 -opost -isig -icanon -echo ...}) = 0 Jun 20 14:41:44 ioctl(17, TIOCCBRK) = 0 Jun 20 14:41:49 Omegamoon: wow, great work, thats 3.3V? Jun 20 14:42:08 looks like a bug in the software Jun 20 14:53:09 cornu, to be more precise... 3.3v I/O, and 5v VCC Jun 20 14:56:12 Omegamoon: nice one... I know you were pulling your hair out trying to get that to work! Is it primarily for debugging issues? Jun 20 14:57:29 canny[m], still have some hair left :P Jun 20 14:57:56 Omegamoon: awesome :-) Jun 20 14:58:00 yes, for me this is the start of having some kernel hacking fun :) Jun 20 14:58:27 Omegamoon: could you possibly write up what you did in a post on oesf.org or something? Jun 20 14:58:31 debugging without having a serial console is pretty much wasted time in my experience Jun 20 14:58:54 yes, I'll write a post to document all Jun 20 14:59:13 wicked :-) Jun 20 14:59:38 guess I better be getting myself a USB-A to USB-C adapter :-) Jun 20 15:00:43 you can also do it with only a usb-c cable of course, if you have plenty of them... I didn't, so that's why I used the adapter Jun 20 15:03:01 just found a "pound store" in the UK selling USB-C cables for a quid - but of course, it's the one which is going into administration very soon ;) Jun 20 15:03:26 canny[m]: which pount store? I'm in the UK :-) Jun 20 15:03:30 *pound Jun 20 15:03:38 canny: which one? ah, rah, you beat me Jun 20 15:03:55 oh... that reminds me... Jun 20 15:04:16 first cable I cut had only 2 wires... make sure you get one with 4 :) Jun 20 15:04:48 Pound World....it's the one going to shut down in the next few weeks. I must do some bulk-buying before they go under!
Jun 20 15:04:49 (I bought 2 USB cables already and use them for charging at work) Jun 20 15:04:57 2 wires is only for charging... those are the cheapest ones Jun 20 15:06:00 canny[m]: are these £1 USB-C cables in person or are they available online? Jun 20 15:06:42 looks like you can't buy from them online so I guess it must be in person Jun 20 15:08:02 i'll be raiding my nearest ones ASAP & stocking up.. Jun 20 15:13:47 rah: I've only ever seen them in-store - but have to admit, I've never pound-shopped-online! Jun 20 15:14:43 I'll buy a few more and cut one as it was labled: charging and syncing cable - so I presume it has data lines too Jun 20 15:15:03 -labled +labelled Jun 20 15:26:17 The 600dpi trick is great, thank you to whoever figured that out Jun 20 15:34:08 Strawpoll: Should I wait for the official debian image for the wifi model or have a punt at doing it the way a chap did it on oesf? Jun 20 15:34:16 e.g. the system.img swap out Jun 20 16:17:37 the 600dpi thing is the standard border to switch to tablet ui on android Jun 20 16:17:51 you could do it on any android device :) Jun 20 16:20:54 I dont think I've ever needed to :D Jun 20 16:40:07 what is that 600dpi thing actually doing? it is not dpi, but dp, and I do not know what dp is... Jun 20 16:56:04 I'm still trying to figure out how to get the navigation bar back on the side after setting the dpi above 600 Jun 20 17:14:17 you got rid of the nav bar? That is *the* most annoying thing in firefox with this landscape mode. Takes way too much space. Jun 20 17:20:11 any idea how to get rid of the fscking search box. Jun 20 17:20:12 ? Jun 20 17:22:08 that would be nice, too... Jun 20 17:25:02 Captain_Harlock: I don\t Jun 20 17:28:39 Captain_Harlock: I dont know if you can move the bar to the side but you can remove the bar and use an alternative. A good alternative would be lmt launcher from xda. and to remove the launcher gravitybox xposed module should have an option to remove the bottom\side bar. you would also need xposed for gravitybox, some othe xposed modules should work as well Jun 20 17:35:18 I have xposed, and gravity box. I figured out how to disable the navbar. I also figured out how to change the location, if I were to author an app. I don't really feel like doing that on the gemini at the moment, so it will have to wait till I get to my laptop. Jun 20 17:38:58 PlasmaStrike: Where do you get lmt launcher? Jun 20 17:59:28 <_sven> which files do i need to edit if i want to add umlauts to the US-en layout? Jun 20 18:46:03 Captain_Harlock: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150 for lmt https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3034811 for xposed framework which you flash through twrp https://forum.xda-developers.com/gemini-pda/development/recovery-twrp-3-2-1-0-t3763855. after xposed is installed and the app xposed installer search for gravity box and that should have an option to hide the bottom bar. Jun 20 18:49:17 Omegamoon, what voltage did you use and why it didn't work before? Jun 20 18:50:04 3.3v and 5v, should have read the whole history before asking Jun 20 18:50:32 Captain_Harlock: lmt launcher also requires root Jun 20 18:50:59 Okay, I have root. Jun 20 18:55:26 install lmt from https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150 Jun 20 18:58:15 Lmt launcher will give an alternative way of going home etc... other than the bottem bar, there are other alternatives as well. After that you turn off the bottom bar. Jun 20 19:02:23 Is there a xposed module for using tablet layout for software? Jun 20 19:02:38 I found only couple of really old ones. Jun 20 19:09:50 razumihin: With root and terminal emulate if you run the commands ...su... then ...wm density 250... or any number under 300 your phone should go into tablet mode Jun 20 19:10:46 Yeah, but that will also give stupidly small text. Jun 20 19:11:04 I want to keep the ui readable. Jun 20 19:11:27 Or so i gather? Jun 20 19:13:51 you can change wm density and text size but i dont know of any xposed modules to force tablet ui Jun 20 19:14:29 Ok, thanks anyway. Jun 20 22:49:32 600 dpi with large fonts is awesome. Jun 20 22:49:49 I can run split screen and adjust the divider where one portion is 2/3rds and the other 1/3. Jun 20 22:49:58 Couldn't do that in lower dpi sizes Jun 20 22:50:03 (not that I could tell) Jun 20 22:50:15 And the android software buttons are much less annoying. Jun 20 22:50:40 On the bottom -- looking like it is a congruent device, instead of "oh I turned my phone sideways and tacked on a keyboard" Jun 20 22:51:07 Anyway, thanks for the people chatting about it here - its excellent. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 00:49:15 2018 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 00:49:15 2018 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 00:49:16 2018 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 00:59:09 2018 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 01:11:42 2018 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 02:43:12 2018 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 03:00:01 2018