**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 22 03:00:01 2018 Jun 22 07:39:40 Omegamoon: great effort getting the USB UART going ! Jun 22 07:40:06 greguu, thanks :) Jun 22 07:40:45 need to find some time, but I'll document it so anyone can give it a try Jun 22 07:40:56 thats what I was about to ask Jun 22 07:41:14 :) Jun 22 07:41:54 looking into mainline kernel now, to see if that is of any use Jun 22 07:43:10 also good ideas about little kernel (lk), what about kexecboot as an optio for alternative OS (linux, sailfish..etc) Jun 22 07:44:43 NotKit, I looked into the OTA package a little further... it is simple (for Planet) to make an OTA for us "dual booters"... they just have to change the "scatter.txt" file in the OTA zip, and add the partitions with correct offset in there Jun 22 07:45:10 won't be that simple, since you can have different scatters Jun 22 07:45:15 we cannot repackage the OTA unfortunately, since it is signed, and we don't have the key Jun 22 07:45:21 but disabling scatter check is easy Jun 22 07:45:38 why not agree on a dual/triple boot layout with planet first ? Jun 22 07:46:24 this way we keep Android OTA support and possibly Sailfish, Linux etc Jun 22 07:47:15 get a "standard" going Jun 22 07:47:20 otherwise a mess Jun 22 07:48:46 NoKit, can we suggest a partiton layout to planet _ Jun 22 07:49:40 greguu, kexecboot could work if mainline boots, and at least basics are working... display for one thing... mainline has kexec support, but the current 3.18 doesn't Jun 22 07:50:19 or we will have to wait for 4.x kernel, coming from MTK Jun 22 07:50:25 Omegamoon: what is missing? porting mtkfb ? Jun 22 07:50:32 not going to happen Jun 22 07:50:58 *what* is not going to happen? Jun 22 07:51:06 4.4 kernel..afaik Jun 22 07:51:43 why is that? there are 4.4 kernels for other MTK SOCs all around Jun 22 07:52:13 true, but not for this one. NotKit may be able to elaborate Jun 22 07:53:25 NotKit, disabling the scatter check might seem easy, but again, it is part of the Recovery, which is also signed... you can replace it, no sweat, but it will never work for upgrading a stock (Android) firmware Jun 22 07:55:20 Omegamoon: I thought the idea was that you make the changes and then pass them to Planet for inclusion in the stock firmware? Jun 22 07:57:14 adam_b_ oh sure, I have the change for the "Gemini_Debian_TP_Scatter" and "Gemini_Dual_Boot"... do we have a contact at Planet that I can reach out to? Jun 22 07:57:48 adam_b_ , Omegamoon : I think this would be the best, for any lk changes or for a new parition layout. At least this way it would retain stock firmware and OTA support I assume Jun 22 07:57:55 greguu: I think the 4.4 kernel news we got from Planet was another case of the manufacture confusing itself and offering something to Planet not actually available Jun 22 07:58:26 adam_b_ : yes, I know, very unfortunate.. Jun 22 07:58:43 Omegamoon: Just email davide@... Jun 22 08:00:14 Omegamoon: happy to help with kexecboot kernel, just need the USB UART going first Jun 22 08:00:39 then we can try and test kernels without flashing Jun 22 08:11:54 <_sven> do you use UART over USB-C or Headphonejack (like Nexus devices)? Jun 22 08:12:40 _sven: USB-C to USB-A adapter, Omegamoon has all the details :) Jun 22 08:16:50 <_sven> sounds similar to the UART solution for my MeizuPro5 Ubuntu phone. Will try that later this day. Jun 22 08:16:58 hmm, already our "3.18 kernel on 7.1" seems to be an hack - it should use be a 4.4 kernel - https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/51651/which-android-runs-which-linux-kernel Jun 22 08:17:25 probably this is the root of the confusion Jun 22 08:17:39 (7.1 is the android version) Jun 22 08:20:13 mifritscher: https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/modular-kernels#core-kernel-requirements Jun 22 08:20:36 All SoCs productized in 2017 must launch with kernel 4.4 or newer. Jun 22 08:21:04 I guess the gemini SoC is actually 2016 or so Jun 22 08:21:20 yeah... and the MT6797 was productized in late 2016 Jun 22 08:22:44 bad news I guess, but we should not give up that easy Jun 22 08:23:24 hey, great to see former Zaurus, Psion and other handheld users / devs here Jun 22 08:23:45 Just means we jump straight to mainline rather than hopping via 4.4 first... Jun 22 08:24:11 adam_b_ : yes, this is the spirit :) Jun 22 08:25:29 and I hope this will be a combined effort , distro second, kernel first Jun 22 08:26:45 surely multi-distro second, gemain+kernel first? Jun 22 08:27:52 adam_b_ : yes, I agree. Best to keep OTA and stock support, so vendor support ideally Jun 22 08:27:52 but if regular project managers consider getting developers to do what they want is like hurding cats, then I suspect people will do all kinds of things Jun 22 08:28:20 we can not account for all that random suff Jun 22 08:28:41 best to get a standard, alongside planet of course Jun 22 08:29:36 die hard hackers can drop stock support anytime they want, but I hope planet will be listening to our needs Jun 22 08:30:54 It'll be interesting to see the upstream kernel changes to 3.18 that have been done on behalf of Planet when they update their kernel tree with this latest release Jun 22 08:31:31 Which I'm still hopeing is going to be soon Jun 22 08:33:14 adam_b_ : for oreo ? Jun 22 08:33:48 Well I'm assuming rolling releases for each update Jun 22 08:34:25 The one expected now is to contain DebianTP2 and the latest Android update with the LED support Jun 22 08:34:46 It may not have any kernel tweaks from their side of course Jun 22 08:34:47 sounds like a start. Jun 22 08:35:08 what about Jolla and their effort on the platform ? Jun 22 08:35:18 Yea fingers crossed for that too Jun 22 08:35:41 they surely must consider the dual / triple boot issue with android Jun 22 08:35:56 and are possibly based on libhybris anyway Jun 22 08:36:51 is SailfishOS for Gemini also based on kernel 3.18? Jun 22 08:36:58 not sure Jun 22 08:37:11 I guess, if Jolla advertised it as Sailfish X Jun 22 08:37:31 See the description https://github.com/gemian/gemini-linux-kernel-3.18 Jun 22 08:37:32 it means its commerical and should feature a "custom" kernel Jun 22 08:37:44 "Gemini PDA Linux kernel v3.18 (for Debian/SailfishOS)" Jun 22 08:38:07 thats for the community port Jun 22 08:38:28 Thats all thats available just now Jun 22 08:39:23 ok, thanks Jun 22 08:40:20 I doubt they (jolla) would go 'commercial' on us at the kernel fixes level? Jun 22 08:40:44 Most of their low level stuff is all open Jun 22 08:40:50 jolla did avertise as such Jun 22 08:41:01 Sailfish X for the Gemini Jun 22 08:41:12 their "commerical" platform Jun 22 08:41:21 Yea that'll just be a payfor version with their 'commercial' UI stuff Jun 22 08:41:31 The low level stuff will still be open Jun 22 08:41:38 of course Jun 22 08:41:48 So kernel likely to stick the same Jun 22 08:41:49 but, will it be just the 3.18 kernel Jun 22 08:42:03 yes, probably Jun 22 08:42:10 Or be a community effort with us and them and planet etc Jun 22 08:42:24 hey, I try to be optimitic here :) Jun 22 08:42:52 yes, it may end up like that Jun 22 08:44:01 I'm hoping someone will ask to be added to the gemian project to branch their gemini-linux-kernel-4.17 into it Jun 22 08:44:35 haha Jun 22 08:45:02 According to the wiki page it boots to userspace Jun 22 08:45:12 gota start somewhere Jun 22 08:45:14 thats a start, we just need fbdev Jun 22 08:45:20 rest can wait Jun 22 08:46:11 I will follow Omegamoon`s UART howto once he makes it available for all Jun 22 08:47:11 :) Jun 22 08:47:41 porting mtkfb should be not too hard Jun 22 08:54:09 https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-mediatek/list/ - getting drm/mediatek support makes more sense though if it's any similar to their other SoCs Jun 22 08:54:31 *long term I mean Jun 22 09:03:27 NotKit, true, but what leverage would we as the community have ? should not planet engage with the vendor to sort this out ? Jun 22 09:04:09 vendor does Android, they don't care or likely have much idea about mainstream Linux Jun 22 09:04:43 but planet adverised linux.. Jun 22 09:05:14 I know.. before you answer Jun 22 09:05:56 so, considering its a community effort Jun 22 09:06:24 should we condider stock android and implications on flashing at all ? Jun 22 09:06:53 it's not like it's a bit problem either way Jun 22 09:06:56 *big Jun 22 09:07:17 this does feel exactly as Rockchip in 2012... same attitude, same (non) support Jun 22 09:07:49 luckily they changed completely, and they *do* support open source now Jun 22 09:07:57 MediaTek did upstream/sent patches some drivers for 6797 though, like sound codec lately Jun 22 09:08:13 hopefully MediaTek will see the light soon ;) Jun 22 09:10:09 I've sent out a request to Planet to recreate the OTA for Android-Debian users Jun 22 09:10:38 Omegamoon: thanks, and I think this is a start Jun 22 09:10:48 let us know of the outcome Jun 22 09:11:17 its too early to dismiss planet, they may still be inclined to help out Jun 22 09:11:59 they should have more time once they've stopped having to answer 'when is my nnnn shipping' Jun 22 09:12:03 * greguu is sure planet is lurking in here anyway Jun 22 09:18:01 well, VartiWork, NotKit, adam_b_, Omegamoon, novaldex, devyl[m], and all others I did not mention,. your support so far is pretty much appreciated. Jun 22 09:21:18 the zaurus took a while to take off in the opensource realm, same for other platforms. Jun 22 09:21:33 thanks greguu Jun 22 09:22:11 thanks :) Jun 22 09:22:15 I believe Zaurus' hardware was better documented from the start, back in the days, this time it's tougher Jun 22 09:25:49 VatieWork: yes, I guess thats right, I hope to look back in 13 years and say, hey my Gemini is still running mainline Jun 22 09:26:44 * greguu is not good at typing on the gemini yet Jun 22 09:27:06 * VartiWork hopes the same Jun 22 09:27:42 regarding the keyboard, I still have problems with the space bar, but I'm getting used to it Jun 22 09:29:29 space bar is fine for me, just PgUp/PgDn dont work in termux tmux session Jun 22 11:50:01 ooh new wifi firmware up on planet Jun 22 11:50:29 LATEST - Gemini WIFI Android MP - 09/05/2018 - MD5: 77340cd92b1f0f6ef2937f786330c83fy Jun 22 11:50:44 I'm not sure whats happened ot that page as there is only android firmware now Jun 22 11:51:42 ok think i get it Jun 22 11:51:45 22/06/2018 - Released updated FlashTool, FlashToolDrivers, Android Firmware, Linux Firmware (including updated Debian and Sailfish OS Community edition). We also released an updated PartitionTool which offers more flexibility, together with new Android and Linux flashing guides (see menu on the left). For reference, here are the links related to the old Flashing Guide and the old Firmware page. Jun 22 11:51:45 gonna try this laster Jun 22 11:52:06 cool Jun 22 11:53:01 adam_b_, SailfishOS is live? Jun 22 11:53:10 oh nice Jun 22 11:53:15 thats what they put on the 'main page' Jun 22 11:55:45 Looks like we've jumped on it before its quite ready, the partition tool isn't there yet Jun 22 12:38:10 http://support.planetcom.co.uk/partitionTool.html Jun 22 12:38:12 "Coming soon!" apparently Jun 22 12:38:39 '/win 6 Jun 22 12:57:56 greguu, thanks for your kind words :) Just getting started... I didn't write a single line of code for the Gemini :P Jun 22 12:59:53 hm, looking at https://www.mediatek.com/products/ivi/mt2712l, it has Mali T880 as well, I wonder how much MediaTek display controller is similar in it to our 6797 Jun 22 13:00:30 that's too much of a difference! Jun 22 13:06:04 http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mediatek/2018-June/013634.html Jun 22 13:08:19 NotKit, this is mainline right? Jun 22 13:08:22 yes Jun 22 13:27:10 NotKit, just wondering... there are no mali binary blobs available, other than android blobs taken from stock rom right? Jun 22 13:27:25 yes Jun 22 13:28:24 so... how are these drm drivers connect to the display environments then... Jun 22 13:28:41 it could work, but not with any hardware accel Jun 22 13:32:13 it won't help right now, except for getting display on mainline, but could pave the way to using Panfrost once it becomes more advanced Jun 22 13:54:20 Panfrost has a long, long way to go... for the time being it would help so much more if MTK released the binaries for use in Linux... like Rockchip does (for instance) Jun 22 14:05:26 agree Jun 22 14:05:29 NotKit, what toolchain did you use to build mainline kernel? Jun 22 14:05:43 linaro latest aarch64 linux Jun 22 14:05:55 okay, I'll try that one Jun 22 14:24:36 I coudn't resist, and got myself two of these styluses Jun 22 14:24:36 https://www.amazon.de/Mixoo-Eingabestift-Smartphones-Kapazitive-Touchscreen/dp/B073H199NZ Jun 22 14:25:10 I've been trying them just now, and I'm impressed by the result... works really well! Jun 22 14:29:09 :-) Jun 22 14:31:48 Omegamoon: how do you connect to USB-C/UART Port? CP2102 adapter and MicroUSB breakout board? Jun 22 14:48:49 sven_ like this: www.omegamoon.com/blog/images/20180622_MTK_USBC-UART_Gemini.jpg :) Jun 22 14:50:16 nice debug cable :) Jun 22 14:56:12 anyone know why our usb-tethering is grabbing all of 10.*/8 ip's rather than just the ones you would have thought it was going to grab from its netmask: https://github.com/gemian/hybris-usb-packaging/blob/master/dhcpd.conf Jun 22 14:57:49 adam_b_, https://github.com/gemian/hybris-usb-packaging/blob/master/usb-tethering#L42 I guess mask is not setup Jun 22 14:57:59 or you mean on desktop, not on device? Jun 22 14:58:05 on device Jun 22 15:07:22 cool thanks thats fixed it Jun 22 15:19:46 greguu - I suggest you use the paper 'shim' method to even out the spacebar, it really helps. Jun 22 16:05:51 adam_b_ : thanks for the netmask fix. I advised ArchiMark to delete the route. Good that there is a proper fix. Jun 22 16:07:45 greguu: yea he didn't seem to want to fix it that way Jun 22 16:08:03 Omegamoon: Thanks for the photo. Whats the USB-A - Serial adapter type ? PL-2303 ? Jun 22 16:10:56 TallTim: I dont have an issue with the space bar so far, but thanks for the tip. Jun 22 16:11:38 can any Android user confirm if PgUp/PgDown works while they use termux/ssh/tmux ? Jun 22 16:12:30 greguu - Oh I must've misread that you had some problem. Okay, cool. Jun 22 16:20:20 you guys seem pretty optimistic about mainline linux on the gemini. I'm already thinking about buying a backup device to put in a drawer, but i guess it's still a bit too early? How much confidence do you have that we can have good mainline support in the future? Jun 22 16:32:21 gobuki: Being cynical? Mediatek has been around 21 years, and it ain't happened yet. Jun 22 16:41:16 dapol2, I think Acer Chromebook is close to it :) Jun 22 16:45:33 dapol2: Yea, cynicism is real. Thanks for your opinion. Jun 22 16:45:56 guess I'm going to wait :-) Jun 22 16:47:37 I just don't want to spend another 10 to 15 years googling for a device with keyboard in that size, when my gemini dies. Jun 22 16:49:33 * gobuki breaks out in cold sweat thinking about it Jun 22 16:53:49 gobuki: And the 2nd hand market in Geminii (You pluarlise that by adding another 'i' don't you?) will explode for about a decade - the same way that the P5MX became very desirable and very expensive for a while, before they all started failing and became a historical oddity for most poeple. Jun 22 16:54:39 probably Jun 22 16:55:51 * dapol2 is at the point of giving up on trying to find the devices he wants and just living with whatever crap the industry insists on selling - the Gemini is great, don't get me wrong, but my personal ideal formfactor is a 1.5:1 proportioned keyboard soapbar - think Blackberry Bold or Palm Treo. Jun 22 16:56:30 Omegamoon: no 150kOhm resistor on ID/GND? Jun 22 16:56:33 The KeyOne/KeyTwo could have been, but have adopted the "Must have huge noodle shaped screen" mentality the rest of the industry has gone for, and are thus not actually very comfortable to use for much typing. Jun 22 16:57:30 The last Android device I found that was both usable spec and in my pet formfactor was the Samsung Galaxy Pro, and that was a long time ago, and an unusable spec these days. Jun 22 16:59:17 for my part, I'm try to stay principled and rather resist the urge to use features in what I think are untrustworthy and authoritarian OS. It's increasingly important to me, but I don't scold anyone for going the easy path either. Jun 22 16:59:50 My needs are few, and unfortunately not met by most OS platforms. Jun 22 17:00:33 One is that I pretty much must have an Exchange Active Sync client for e-mail and groupware, or failing that at least SyncML. Jun 22 17:01:04 I've been trying to find a desktop client that satisfies that on Linux for years and it simply doesn't seem to exist Jun 22 17:01:35 Which mostly leaves me with Android or iOS. Jun 22 17:01:37 dapol2: yea, that doesn't leave much room for anything besides mainstream, sadly Jun 22 17:01:44 And I *loathe* iOS. Jun 22 17:02:55 For my phone use I could (and often do) get away with my old Nk6310i Jun 22 17:03:18 and I'd be happy enough tethering to that for most of my data usage. Jun 22 17:03:40 But yeah - client apps. Always a problem. And reasons I left Blackberry's own OS a long time ago. Jun 22 17:06:40 Hmm. I wonder how much it would cost to have a very low (by modern standards) spec device manufactured Jun 22 17:06:52 I also wonder if Access Co would license GarnetOS Jun 22 17:07:55 If the Gemini is the revival of the Psion 5, I wanna revive the Palm Pilot (or more precisely, the Treo) Jun 22 17:08:21 I'm using sailfish on my mobile and i'm absolutely satisfied now. I think it does everything a phone needs to do, including surfing and navigation. Jun 22 17:08:58 I loved the hardware of the n900, but maemo wasn't as nice as sailfish. Jun 22 17:09:26 gobuki: I've floated near Sailfish a few times, but the whole Maemo->Meego->Mer thing sort of pushed me away for a while. Jun 22 17:10:42 Even despite an ex co-worker trying to tell me how good it is :) Jun 22 17:10:53 And I suspect he'd know - he co-founded Mer Jun 22 17:11:10 dapol2: I played around a lot and tried to solve problems or improve the experience with the n900, but the last two years on sailfish, it just worked and i didn't care about any technical tinkering. Lately they even included openvpn support in the gui. Jun 22 17:11:45 I really like what they are doing Jun 22 17:12:06 nods Jun 22 17:12:15 and it think they are taking the right design descisions Jun 22 17:12:27 And when the SFOS3 release version arrives I may well stick it on my Gemini Jun 22 17:12:53 In the meantime the only other mobile devices I have at the moment won't really suit it Jun 22 17:13:07 oh yea, i'm looking forward to it too Jun 22 17:13:25 One's a KeyOne and so, locked bootloader and no upgrade, and one's a Jelly Pro which is barely even a toy. Jun 22 17:13:52 (Yeah - compute device with more grunt than anything I owned prior to about 2010 is "barely a toy"!) Jun 22 17:16:01 And when the N900 was kicking about I'd really rather soured on Nokia - they'd hit a high with the 9210 and then started increasing the suck factor as far as I was concerned - the 9500 was a worse device to use ergonomically, the E61 was an uncomfortable slab, the E71 was sort of disappointment in polished aluminium form and the E90 was the bastard offspring of the accidental mating of a crap keyboard and an N95 Jun 22 17:17:12 I'd gone sidways to Palm at that point and then went to the Motorola Milestone (European version of the original Droid) Jun 22 17:17:52 Oh yeah - and then they'd done the whole bait and switch thing with the 7710 Jun 22 17:18:04 which looked like it would be fantastic. And then the entire concept was dupled. Jun 22 17:18:07 Dumped Jun 22 17:19:08 When the communicators were around I was eying them with envy. Now I'm glad I didn't have the money. Jun 22 17:19:27 :-) Jun 22 17:19:37 heh Jun 22 17:19:45 I had a pre-production 9000 Jun 22 17:20:06 and then a production one, a 9000i, a 9110, 9210 and then the 9500 Jun 22 17:20:43 I've had a few fairly spectacular missteps on this path as wekk Jun 22 17:20:48 the Ericsson R380 was one. Jun 22 17:20:58 "This phone runs the same OS as the Psion 5!!!!" Jun 22 17:21:18 In a locked version, that was incompatible with most things, non upgradable and on a platform that just straight out sucked. Jun 22 17:21:59 I bet it cost a fortune anyway Jun 22 17:22:05 R380? Jun 22 17:22:13 About £280 new with a contract Jun 22 17:22:14 * gobuki nods Jun 22 17:22:49 Which was certainly dear compared to other phones of the time Jun 22 17:22:50 The price for the gemini at retail is bonkers Jun 22 17:23:18 WorkingClassDev: And still worth it for quite a few people. Jun 22 17:23:47 And still cheaper than almost anybody elses flagship - I know that the base specs are lower, but nobody else is selling a clamshell keyboard device. Jun 22 17:24:40 maybe. i dont know many that would pay that price. However we'll soon see won't we :) Jun 22 17:24:52 WorkingClassDev: Clove have pre-orders so there's some. Jun 22 17:25:16 Now there's a company that's taken quite a bit of coin off me over the years :) Jun 22 17:25:18 i would even have payed much more for just a little bit better hardware. Like more robust hinges or a better way to open and close the case to insert cards. Jun 22 17:25:57 With you on the hinges. The bounce factor is annoying, and the razor sharp edges ain't great either. Jun 22 17:26:04 Or better linux support on the software side. Jun 22 17:26:41 ^ditto Jun 22 17:27:26 If Planet can even get the hardware documentation for somebody to develop it that'd be good. Jun 22 17:29:55 Its a good first effort for sure Jun 22 17:30:51 dapol2: hopefully without signing a NDA Jun 22 18:02:13 there are some leaked docs for MediaTek SoCs Jun 22 18:02:40 combined with kernel source code and source for some Android bits, it could help at least Jun 22 18:47:12 update with new firmware update android / flash tool works nicely with rooted boot rom... one must just unselect the boot partition too and and following the guide for upgrade :) Jun 22 18:48:14 partition tool is live Jun 22 19:05:11 whats the status of the sfos image of the partition tool? Jun 22 19:05:27 which version and what works/what not? Jun 22 19:27:14 Omegamoon: does UART work with your cable/uart adapter? My cp2102 show some crap. Tried 921600, 115200 (my default setting) and below. No luck. Tried with and without 150kOhm Resistor on ID/GND. I tried also different Resistors. 150/300/450/560/800 kOhm. Still no luck. I always get crap. Even if the device is powered off i get the crap. Jun 22 19:29:02 Omegamoon: my FTDI doesn't show anything. Jun 22 20:24:41 has anybody tried the new firmwares? Jun 22 21:03:21 Is there a key combination that will restart the gemini no matter which os? Jun 22 21:03:48 I have the problem mentioned in the new sailfish os notes. It booted directly to the security code screen. Jun 22 21:04:07 There is a note saying i should restart if that happens. Jun 22 21:04:13 But how do i do that? Jun 22 21:06:18 ok oh. holding Esc and the button at the side for a couple of seconds did it. Jun 22 21:14:16 sailfish works quite well. I'm loving it. Version is 2.1.4.14 Jun 22 21:25:40 The first start wizard has some bugs. It started a second time here. But WLAN, browser, mail, jolla account and store are working. German keyboard layout isn't mapped correctly though. Jun 22 21:28:54 wow. it is. i just had to change the text input language in the settings. even the function keys are mapped. Including audio volume keys. Jun 22 22:18:40 sven_ and/or _sven, I didn't use any resistors, and the uart breakout board shows up on linux as 'FT232RL' Jun 22 22:22:26 did you try to switch RX and TX ? when garbage is being showed it usually means you're almost there :) Jun 22 23:10:02 Any idea how i could possibly deactivate the speaker in sailfish, without disabling the headphone jack? Plugging in phones has no effect on the speaker so far. Jun 23 00:34:59 gobuki: Hello, is there any way I could get a download link for SFOS 2.1.4.14? I am running 2.1.3.7 right now on my Gemini Jun 23 01:05:11 AutonomousSystem: The new partition tool has an official download link: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/partitionTool.html Jun 23 01:05:56 AutonomousSystem: this is the new flashing guide, where it is described how to do it: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Linux_Flashing_Guide Jun 23 01:16:42 gobuki: Thank you! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 23 03:00:01 2018