**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 23 03:00:02 2018 Jun 23 10:03:53 anybody tried the new firmwares on wifi only? Jun 23 10:06:31 can i have a just linux or just sailfish device? or do i need android installed as well? Jun 23 10:11:14 fakefur: you just have to pick one of sfos/debian twice/thrice in the partitionTool and slide android to zero for no android Jun 23 10:11:36 cool Jun 23 10:26:34 mmh.. my battery died tonight while i was running the new image. Now my gemini doesn't turn on anymore and charging doesn't seem to work. When it is connected to a usb hub for charging, it vibrates every couple of seconds, like when you switch it on. Jun 23 10:27:04 :( Jun 23 10:28:43 Charging with the charger from the package works, though. Jun 23 10:28:44 yay Jun 23 10:29:26 i'm still horrified at kernel 3.18 Jun 23 10:42:04 how do i access the app drawer on standard android on gemini Jun 23 10:42:06 ? Jun 23 10:42:31 oh i got it Jun 23 10:42:33 weird Jun 23 11:06:20 PgUp and PgDown do not work in my Termux, either... At least Alt-P and Alt-N allow me to scroll back irssi (in tmux). Esc-V and Ctrl-V for most other applications. Jun 23 11:12:12 funny/weird behaviour: when I type 'gre' fast (really fast, with 3 fingers in rapid sequence), I get 'grhe'; likewise 'ijn' -> 'ijzn' Jun 23 11:38:16 So, you'r saying the Gemini is biased against Dutch? Jun 23 11:43:42 can someone help me to turn my gemini on? Lol Jun 23 11:44:17 tried many combinations of the on and side button, nothing seems to work Jun 23 11:44:25 nothing that worked before Jun 23 11:46:07 * gobuki is becoming nervous Jun 23 11:48:12 FN-On? Jun 23 11:49:40 dapol2: yes! although 'gre' is part of 'grep', mostly ;) Jun 23 11:49:45 dapol2: nothing. Jun 23 11:50:09 gobuki: does it have any battery charge? Jun 23 11:50:52 dapol2: the battery died tonight running sailfish, but i have had it on the charger for an hour now. Jun 23 11:51:45 nods Jun 23 11:51:53 on the charger -> connected to it :-) Jun 23 11:52:22 unsure if this was weird for native speakers Jun 23 11:52:42 gobuki: can the flash tool connect to it? I seem to remember reflashing is done with a powered off gemini Jun 23 11:53:10 Kero: i see the mediatek preloader when i connect it to my pc. Jun 23 11:53:27 so i assume it would work, but i didn't try Jun 23 11:53:42 * Kero hasn't flashed anything, yet, going to travel for 3 weeks tomorrow and don't want to risk it;bringing the Gemini, of course! Jun 23 11:54:59 Kero: heh. I would be careful too. But that said, i absolutely love sailfish on the gemini. Jun 23 11:56:02 gobuki: I'm guessing you have nothing bootable, and flashing is done by something 'pre-booting', but do note I'm *guessing* Jun 23 11:56:32 and yes, would love to try sailfish instead of this android crap Jun 23 11:56:38 I think it will become my main os in the near future, with debian for desktop tasks when connected to a computer. Jun 23 11:56:45 termux saves it, for now Jun 23 11:56:54 s/computer/computer monitor/ Jun 23 11:59:14 Did i say there was no fiddling involved? sailfish just worked. Nothing has to be tweaked. It's almost boring ;D Jun 23 12:00:49 My biggest problem is plugging in headphones does not disable speakers. But that might as well be the switch in my headphone jack. Jun 23 12:06:50 find a proper channel control thing? alsamixer can set all kinds of things manually when it doesn't work automatically -- depending on the audio card+actual driver; there might be something like that for sailfish? Jun 23 12:07:07 Mh... even when connected to the charger, the gemini seem to be in some kind of (preloader?) boot loop. Jun 23 12:07:56 Kero: i don't know such thing. I'm owning a sailfish phone and i check the available applications every couple of weeks Jun 23 12:08:09 but i might have missed it Jun 23 12:11:17 or there might be something obnoxious like PulseAudio overriding settings. or unwieldy like laptop-mode (debian and derivatives). Jun 23 12:11:55 but if I were you, I'd get in touch with planets about your booting problem, before worrying about headphone jacks... sounds bad, TBH. Jun 23 12:13:23 i want to test it in debian or android first, but i'm still stuck in this boot loop Jun 23 12:14:00 Kero: can you verify it works as expected on your device? Jun 23 12:14:26 (speaker disabled with phones plugged in) Jun 23 12:14:57 it won't, but should be easy to fix in Sailfish Jun 23 12:15:07 with android, works like a charm. One of the features I want on my travels Jun 23 12:15:54 NotKit: good to know. Then it's most likely not a hardware problem. pheew Jun 23 12:17:30 NotKit: have you ever experienced "boot loops"? It's strange because it started to happend after flashing and booting successfully a couple of times. Jun 23 12:17:52 it tries to turn on, the reboots? Jun 23 12:17:59 is Android primary one or? Jun 23 12:18:03 *then Jun 23 12:18:19 NotKit: It's connected to the charger. Lying on my foot. It vibrates every couple of seconds. Jun 23 12:18:34 NotKit: and doesn't switch on Jun 23 12:19:02 NotKit: Display stays black, no response at all, when i press buttons to switch it on. Jun 23 12:20:09 Primary is debian, 2nd saildfish, 3rd android. Jun 23 12:22:01 charging led is red Jun 23 12:33:34 It vibrates every 75-77 seconds. Does that ring a bell with anyone? Jun 23 12:35:00 looks like a timeout of 60 seconds + initialization time of some charging firmware or something. Jun 23 12:35:46 Does it boot into another OS when you hold the side button? Jun 23 12:36:19 iff you can time that... Jun 23 12:38:17 Kero: no response at all :( Jun 23 12:39:05 <_sven> Omegamoon: great, now it works with my FTDi adapter and an original USB-C cable. OTG Function works different on USB-C 3.1 than MicroUSB. There's no ID Pin on USB-C. That was my Mistake. I had to connect Vcc too, thats all. Jun 23 12:48:26 oh my.. i think found the source of the issue Jun 23 12:48:39 the usb c connection is incredibly flaky Jun 23 12:49:29 i can turn the charging indicator on and off by only very, very lightly tugging on the cable :( Jun 23 12:50:39 or did it blink for a different reason? I'm confused Jun 23 12:50:55 haven't seen the red light blink before Jun 23 12:51:29 turned of and on rapidly for about five or more times Jun 23 12:52:08 Is it a discharge warning? Jun 23 12:59:47 It really is a flaky connection. The usb charger cable has to sit in exactly the right sweet spot :-/ Jun 23 13:00:26 or charging/flashing will fail Jun 23 13:05:48 is it a problem with cable or connection? Jun 23 13:05:54 connector I meant Jun 23 13:06:17 NotKit: I will try some other cables as soon as i've got them. Can't say at this time. Jun 23 13:06:30 NotKit: I used the delivered cable. Jun 23 13:07:05 I managed to flash it anew and now it turns on again. Jun 23 13:07:14 well, I didn't have such issue with mine Type-C cables, I just hope it's not a problem with port on yours Jun 23 13:07:39 Yea, i hope so too Jun 23 13:08:31 But it felt like it was a problem of connectivity between the connector and port, not a lose connector or something. Jun 23 13:08:51 So i've got hope. Jun 23 13:09:54 NotKit: I can move the connector about a milimeter sideways Jun 23 13:11:07 maybe a half, but it is mechnically unstable Jun 23 13:12:31 NotKit: do you have any idea what could be the reason my gemini didn't turn on after the battery died and now after flashing it works again? Jun 23 13:13:57 Charge wasn't the issue it didn't react to button presses, but it looks like low charge caused the issue. Jun 23 13:20:05 not really, but maybe it couldn't boot into power off charging mode Jun 23 13:20:42 it's not implemented with Debian Jun 23 13:25:26 NotKit: ok, i see. Jun 23 13:26:03 NotKit: This means it will happen every time i let the battery die? How do you deal with it? Jun 23 13:26:43 generally it should be able to turn on and change with near-zero battery Jun 23 13:27:16 so your case where it couldn't at all is weird Jun 23 13:27:59 i still wonder why flashing helped. I'm positive it wasn't just coincidence. Jun 23 13:28:23 battery charged during flashing Jun 23 13:28:58 I have had it on a charger for about two hours before. But maybe it couldn't charge because of the "loop" Jun 23 13:29:09 then it would make sense Jun 23 13:29:50 yeah; a hypothesis, you may find out more the next time your battery runs out... Jun 23 13:30:11 yup, we'll see Jun 23 13:31:00 In days of yore, batteries didn't have HW protection. booting loops could kill the batteries *very* quickly. Jun 23 13:31:27 my gemini cant go potrait, what might go wrong? anyone please help Jun 23 13:31:43 the orientation button is unlock Jun 23 13:32:26 orientation sensor(?) disabled? Jun 23 13:32:46 how to enable that please? Jun 23 13:43:58 nvm i found it, I just force rotate using app bar :-) thanks kero, thanks every1 Jun 23 13:44:09 no idea, actually. haven't seen anything about the accelerometer in settings, now that I think about it. Jun 23 13:44:28 ha, good :) Jun 23 15:06:43 http://www.indiegogo.com/products/gpd-pocket -- Win10 or Ubuntu16.04 LTS Jun 23 15:29:31 TallTim: I thought about it, but i preferred the keyboard and format of the gemini. Jun 23 15:33:34 IMHO the gemini has better chance of success (meaning longtime reliability, current software to me). Maybe i'm biased, but I don't see the enthusiasm of the gemini users anywhere over there. Jun 23 15:37:24 I hope the belief in the format, which almost seems like religious to bystanders, is a good driver Jun 23 15:49:56 THe battery life on the wifi model is absolutely superb Jun 23 15:50:27 Mines been on since 9am this morning, now nearly 5pm and its on 66% Jun 23 15:59:45 I use my 4g as wifi only for now - and had no troubles with the battery as well - with long lifetime Jun 23 16:03:07 My only issue with the Gemini is the MTK CPUs lack of linux support. I know people are working on it but if the Gemini used a Qualcomm I would have been happier. Jun 23 16:13:31 woo! Jun 23 16:13:45 *finally* got a working flashing tool and now have Debian on my machine :-) Jun 23 16:13:54 qualcomm? Jun 23 16:14:14 i would be happy if planet have used nxp... imx8 Jun 23 16:14:19 xP Jun 23 16:14:28 than we would have a good (!) linux support Jun 23 16:14:38 yeah! Jun 23 16:14:43 imx8 rules! Jun 23 16:14:52 everyone should buy imx8-based phones! :-) Jun 23 16:15:14 yeah x) Jun 23 16:15:48 gobuki - Just putting it out there for the people who are dissatisfied with Gemini at this point. I love mine, but others might prefer an easier route to portable linux without the flashing chicanery. Jun 23 16:16:12 I am still annoyed that the Ubuntu phone never made it to production. Jun 23 16:16:50 TallTim: err.. there were a number of Ubuntu Phone/Touch devices produced Jun 23 16:17:14 rah - I'll have to find the specific one I meant -- it isn't what you're talking about. Jun 23 16:18:04 TallTim: you mean the $32 million crowdfunding campaign? Jun 23 16:18:17 I think that's the one Jun 23 16:22:14 btw, I should disclaim that I work for a company making an imx8-based phone :-) Jun 23 16:34:36 there are companies making imx8 linux phones? Jun 23 16:35:31 there are Jun 23 16:35:55 There are some serious hardware design and assembly failures in gpd pocket. Jun 23 16:36:10 I've had both and gemini is way ahead in quality, Jun 23 16:37:14 rah, that mystery secure phone in Twitter? Jun 23 16:39:37 TallTim, well, it's not like flashing is particulary hard, just a bit tiresome Jun 23 16:39:58 my brother has a gpd pocket and I felt like the keyboard was lacking and the trackpoint placement was frankly just wrong Jun 23 16:40:07 I still ended up getting a gemini after seeing a gpd pocket Jun 23 16:40:20 and I have been very disappointed with the gemini, I just have it collecting dust until the software situation gets better Jun 23 16:41:16 NotKit - Right, and we've been over the whole "it was advertised as capable which lead to most assuming it would be preloaded" topic... I'll keep showing alternatives, because competition is how we get to the Perfect Device (tm)(c)(r) Jun 23 16:41:37 GPD Pocket is way easier regarding hardware support... everything on Gemini will have to come through blood and sweat Jun 23 16:41:47 NotKit: no, the Librem 5 Jun 23 16:41:57 https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ Jun 23 16:42:17 And seriously - if your business model includes customers doing your work for you -- isn't that fundamentally flawed? Jun 23 16:42:25 Just sayin' Jun 23 16:42:28 the hardware support is a good point, but if you completely separate the hardware and software in your mind, I think the Gemini has a slightly better layout and such, so if the other side could get sorted out it could be decent Jun 23 16:42:41 tune: just out of curiosity, what had you expected? Jun 23 16:42:43 I didn't realize going in how bad the mediatek situation was Jun 23 16:42:57 a pocketable device with a hardware keyboard for running GNU/Linux on Jun 23 16:43:03 probably doing mostly terminal stuff, like sshing into other machines Jun 23 16:43:15 tune: isn't that what you've got? Jun 23 16:43:18 something more comfortable than a touchscreen and an OS better than android, even if my touchscreen android phone can do ssh fine Jun 23 16:43:28 not really Jun 23 16:43:41 I just booted Linux on mine and got a terminal window up Jun 23 16:43:50 keyboard layout was a bit worse than I'd realized, can't even get to a TTY currently Jun 23 16:43:56 x sessions run like crap and i3 was a bit broken for me Jun 23 16:43:58 apparently you can connect to networks with connman Jun 23 16:43:59 lack of a super key is annoying Jun 23 16:44:05 oh I see Jun 23 16:44:11 yeah connman sucks, not sure why that is shipping by default Jun 23 16:44:24 probably because it works :-) Jun 23 16:44:27 networkmanager at least has cli/tui connection options Jun 23 16:44:39 connman is quite difficult to navigate with the touchscreen Jun 23 16:44:40 connman has cli options as well IIRC Jun 23 16:44:59 although it's really not very nice Jun 23 16:45:15 * rah has been waiting for Sailfish OS to boot for a while now Jun 23 16:45:31 I'm tempted to conclude that it's fubared Jun 23 16:45:33 TallTim, I doubt anyone here is against alternatives, it's just that I keep seeing posts about flashing being complicated from you :) Jun 23 16:46:16 yeah I'm interested in alternatives, although I haven't got the money to get another roughly equivalent device right now, so it doesn't exactly ease the pain of how the gemini turned out Jun 23 16:46:17 I think the best description would be "cumbersome" Jun 23 16:46:20 I think Sailfish wants a 'net connection :-/ Jun 23 16:47:09 rah, you can skip it on setup screen, if you're about that Jun 23 16:47:31 NotKit: I did Jun 23 16:47:40 the pocket chip basically meets my quality standards on the software side. the keyboard was a bit rough and the screen a bit low-res, but it was quite functional when I tried it Jun 23 16:47:51 NotKit: and now it's just been sat there for a good 10+ minutes with a blue circle Jun 23 16:47:53 oh and it wasn't a clamshell or easily able to fit in your pocket despite the name Jun 23 16:48:07 rah, try to reboot it Jun 23 16:48:13 did you boot Android after it was flashed? Jun 23 16:48:20 yes Jun 23 16:56:06 more blue circle :-/ Jun 23 16:56:39 I don't think it works :-/ Jun 23 16:58:03 pfft Jun 23 16:58:49 I don't get how this could work; the "debian+sailfishos" .zip file contains only one main filesystem Jun 23 17:00:01 rah, it usually means it couldn't initialize modem Jun 23 17:00:11 did you go through initial setup in Android? Jun 23 17:03:10 hmm Jun 23 17:03:17 well, it appears to be kind of alive Jun 23 17:03:30 if I drag different edges of the screen, I get different things Jun 23 17:03:39 like I can get a camera application Jun 23 17:04:33 and I can select what looks like different silencing modes Jun 23 17:04:54 but always the blue circle and certainly no apps Jun 23 17:05:05 NotKit: yes of course Jun 23 17:05:18 although I don't have a SIM in the machine yet Jun 23 17:05:22 that's weird then Jun 23 17:07:12 I had this issue reported before, but it fixed itself somehow Jun 23 17:11:01 yup, it don't work :-( Jun 23 17:11:19 although oddly, putting a SIM card in has changed the orientation of the screen.. Jun 23 17:27:24 did planet changed something in the debian image? Jun 23 17:30:20 it should be newer image from me/adam_b Jun 23 17:31:30 not groundbreaking, but most of current hacks/fixes should be integrated Jun 23 17:56:48 I am pretty happy with SFOS 2.1.3.7, any reason I should upgrade to 2.1.4.14? Any significant improvements or fixes on that build? Jun 23 17:57:49 wait for 2.2.0.29 to get tested maybe Jun 23 17:58:03 it can be OTAed now (but updating will reset landscape patches) Jun 23 17:58:26 I already patched landscape mode from the qml file anyhow Jun 23 17:59:26 rah, did you try booting to Android with SIM just in case, then Sailfish? Jun 23 17:59:38 The only thing not working for me now is the initiating call from 4g, but I have an idea on how I can effectively patch this but havent toyed with it yet Jun 23 17:59:40 I would be happy to determine fixing factor Jun 23 17:59:52 for the landscape? Jun 23 18:00:09 for rah's issue with blue circle (ofono not initializing) Jun 23 18:12:22 NotKit: after I put the SIm in, I booted into Android first Jun 23 18:12:38 have you set it as default? Jun 23 18:13:01 NotKit: are you addressing me? Jun 23 18:13:17 yes Jun 23 18:13:34 NotKit: I don't understand what you mean then; have I set what as default? Jun 23 18:15:38 ok, timestamp inside the debian.img is from 2018-06-01 Jun 23 18:15:46 *debian.zip Jun 23 18:17:52 rah, SIM card as default one in Android (whatever that means) Jun 23 18:19:04 NotKit: no Jun 23 18:22:41 NotKit: I'm not trying to solve this problem; Sailfish OS doesn't work, I'm not going to cry about it Jun 23 18:23:05 as I say, I don't even understand how it could work given that there's only one linux root filesystem on the phone Jun 23 18:23:19 .stowaways/sailfishos Jun 23 18:24:55 that doesn't mean anything to me I'm afraid Jun 23 18:25:08 (assuming you're addressing me again) Jun 23 18:25:17 rah, I meant it's installed to /.stowaways/sailfishos folder of Linux root filesystem Jun 23 18:25:36 I see Jun 23 20:24:39 SatStat shows Glonass sats, too! Jun 23 21:08:59 rah: regarding your wondering, how it could work: I haven't looked deeper into into how it exactly works, but i noticed the sailfish os and debian systems both show the disk size i selected for linux in the partition tool. Jun 23 21:21:54 anyway, in case anyone else encounters bug with spinner in SailfishOS, make sure you have set physical SIM as default for data/calls/etc in Android Jun 23 21:22:19 it seems to affect something on x27 devices Jun 23 21:41:43 hi Jun 23 21:41:58 just got my genini ;) Jun 23 21:42:20 now i need to install debian Jun 23 21:42:39 but http://support.planetcom.co.uk/download/FlashTool.zip is down Jun 23 21:43:04 and the guide dose not state linux as an desktop os... Jun 23 21:44:12 right now my gemini is in no command mode (just tryed silver button and power button together), how can i get it out of there again? Jun 23 21:45:40 ah, did it by holding down both again for some longer time then before... Jun 23 21:46:18 by the way, is this still the right guide: https://geminiplanet.com/how-to-install-debian-linux-on-the-gemini/ ??? Jun 23 21:46:25 thanks in advance Jun 23 21:51:06 ttim: hi! This is because at the beginning there was only a flash tool for windows. Now the filenames have linux/windows appended. Please follow the guide here, it has the right link to the flash tool: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Main_Page Jun 23 22:03:35 ah there i am: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Linux_Flashing_Guide#Download_and_Install_FlashTool_on_Windows Jun 23 22:03:52 thanks gobuki Jun 23 22:04:27 maybe you could link to some page that explains about it Jun 23 22:05:09 like do you want linux or windows flash tool and btw https://geminiplanet.com/how-to-install-debian-linux-on-the-gemini/ the page you are coming from is outdated... Jun 23 22:05:11 ;) Jun 23 22:23:12 ttim: i'm just a user trying to help out, but yea, i was put on the wrong path too by outdated information. Don't know if anyone from planet is lurking here. Jun 23 23:09:45 NotKit: what exactly do you mean by "set physical SIM as default for data/calls/etc in Android"? Jun 23 23:10:05 NotKit: there are a number of different options related to the SIMs Jun 23 23:10:30 NotKit: why do you believe the Android settings have an impact on Sailfish OS? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 24 03:00:00 2018