**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 05 03:00:02 2018 Jul 05 08:51:01 anybody here familiar with HDMI setup? I got a replacement usbc-hdmi cable from PC (super responsive) but my gemini still refuses event with restart to see the external display. Am I missing anything extra to do / set up / configure here? Jul 05 08:51:18 It would be a shame to RMA it only to find out it was PEBKAC Jul 05 08:52:48 dch, not sure why yours is not working Jul 05 08:53:06 in my case it is just plug'n'play :) Jul 05 08:53:47 good to know Omegamoon do you see anything special on the pda when the screen is plugged in? and do you need to reboot, or is it live as soon as the cable is joined? Jul 05 08:53:51 did you try to use a different display/monitor? Jul 05 08:54:17 oh yeah. I have like mmm 6 around here. different cables, displays, projectors, hp, dell, you name it. Jul 05 08:54:26 let me try again... although I got the cable, I only used it once up until now to test if it worked Jul 05 08:54:26 ok I'll have to send it in. Jul 05 08:54:40 1sec, I'll check Jul 05 08:54:58 BTW if you have yours on a flat surface, and tap the space bar (for example), does the display & keyboard wobble and visibly "bounce" ? Jul 05 08:55:14 if it happens, you'll know what I mean. I suspect the hinge on mine is mis-aligned. Jul 05 08:55:38 no, not at all Jul 05 08:58:11 ok, definitely going to RMA and ask for these to be addressed. thanks for checking! Jul 05 08:58:58 dch, okay... I got it working again Jul 05 08:59:29 use the RIGHT usb-c port... the left one doesn't work for HDMI Jul 05 08:59:53 yep I know about that one. Jul 05 09:00:28 then check the "Settings", option "Display" Jul 05 09:00:41 I have hdmi activated there Jul 05 09:02:00 okay, that's the only thing I needed to do Jul 05 09:03:58 tyvm Omegamoon Jul 05 09:05:23 np... don't know what else you could try, other than connect it to a different monitor/tv Jul 05 09:07:36 maybe the cable works on an unrooted Android, and doesn't on a rooted one? Jul 05 09:08:12 I don't have the cable here unfortunately, so I can't check it Jul 05 09:08:51 Omegamoon, dch: are you running a rooted on non-rooted Android? Jul 05 09:09:40 VartiWork, I use a non-rooted Android Jul 05 09:10:27 does someone tryed a usb-c hub with charging port to charge the gemini while using the hub ? Jul 05 09:11:04 dch: my screen (and only that) wobbles a bit when I type, nothing annoying though... maybe you could try to make a video while you type on it, so that others can confirm if their unit bounce the same Jul 05 09:11:38 devyl[m]: that would be interesting to know Jul 05 09:15:20 devyl[m], with the usb hub from Planet charging doesn't seem to work Jul 05 09:15:23 good idea Jul 05 09:15:45 VartiWork: its a vanilla install, I wanted to get hdmi sorted before switching it over Jul 05 09:16:22 I'm very very keen long term to switch it entirely to FreeBSD or OpenBSD, this is the main reason I got it actually. debian is only the start ;-) Jul 05 09:17:07 the sailfish announcement is super exciting Jul 05 09:21:11 Omegamoon: yeah, i know... but there are some usb-c hubs that have a dedicated charging jack. :) Jul 05 09:28:37 devyl[m] I guess I don't have the right one then ;) Jul 05 09:30:01 something different... when you have an Ethernet port connected, it drains the battery very quickly Jul 05 09:36:09 how does one "backup" a gemini? this is for the purposes of recovering it after RMA, so I'm really not too concerned about the handful of settings I have so far. Jul 05 09:41:11 dch: it would be useful to see dmesg's output when the cable is inserted, though that requires root Jul 05 09:42:14 VartiWork: that would be interesting, yeah. I am not sure however we will get anything that changes the plan at this point - I've tested across 8 monitors at this stage with different cables so I am not expecting anything exciting. Jul 05 09:43:25 VartiWork, dch: for dmesg... use a serial console cable... no root required :) Jul 05 09:43:46 Omegamoon: I have those. you mean a USB-based one? Jul 05 09:44:02 I can try that if there are simple-ish instructions around (parity, etc). Jul 05 09:44:30 yes... see here http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry180626-210224 Jul 05 09:45:43 if you tested with many monitors and with an additional cable, then the problem might be either a wrong setting in Android, or a HW problem Jul 05 09:48:32 this must be also taken in account: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=35104&view=findpost&p=287391 Jul 05 09:50:20 though this shouldn't be an issue for normal projection of the desktop Jul 05 09:52:27 someone else has commented in that thread that he needed to connect the cable to the TV, once connected to disconnect and reconnect it on the USB side, then it was working Jul 05 09:53:12 also (you have probably already checked this), HDMI output must be turned on in the Settings Jul 05 09:59:54 anyone willing to participate in building a 4.4 kernel? Jul 05 10:00:35 I am struggling with this for quite some time now... porting one driver after the other Jul 05 10:01:07 but there are soooooo many! :-/ Jul 05 10:08:14 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fcJQt314/wonky.mp4 Jul 05 10:09:12 VartiWork: see above for the keyboard travel on a normal desk Jul 05 10:10:55 dch, wow... that is really wobbly indeed! Jul 05 10:13:45 good to know it’s not just my podgy fingers Jul 05 10:17:34 I confirm, mine is not as wobbly Jul 05 10:18:43 I started to make a video while typing too, for comparison, but my smartphone's battery is now drained... I need to recharge it a bit and try again later Jul 05 10:20:54 but you need to consider how smooth is the table you're using Jul 05 10:21:49 I see that your Gemini moves at the bottom (i.e. at the opposite side of the hinge) everytime you type on it Jul 05 10:23:27 mine stays firm all the time, probably because the surface of the table in my office is somewhat rougher Jul 05 10:25:02 you might consider placing a couple of pads under it, where the case is in contact with the table Jul 05 10:25:46 try also to type on a different surface, e.g. on a mousepad Jul 05 11:09:44 mine is also not as wobbly. i have placed some silicone straps on the front bottom black plastics (cutted from a raspberry pi silicone feeds base of one of my raspberry cases :) ) Jul 05 11:10:11 that stops the gemini from sliding around when typing Jul 05 11:16:33 do you have Planet's leather case? If so, can you still insert the device in it without risking to peel off the straps? Jul 05 12:06:48 I find mine is rather bouncy at times, but I generally have it on top of the leather case all the time as support & that helps Jul 05 12:13:26 No, Varti. i have a selfmade leather case Jul 05 12:13:35 if your case fits tight, it would peel of the straps Jul 05 12:14:05 the straps are about a mm thick. Jul 05 12:18:27 yes, the official case is quite tight, a different case should be used in case straps are applied Jul 05 12:19:38 yeah. Jul 05 13:10:50 nobody in here willing to participate in building a 4.4 kernel? Jul 05 13:19:51 Omegamoon: most probably adam_b and NeKit will be interested Jul 05 13:20:45 and I'd open a new thread with the request on the forum Jul 05 13:31:42 Omegamoon: I'm interested, but don't have much time at the moment. But would be great if we could follow your progress in a thread or github repo :) Jul 05 14:10:17 cornu, making baby steps here, but I managed to port a lot of mt6797 specifics in already ;) Jul 05 14:10:39 I'll try to get it up in github later Jul 05 14:46:35 I wonder if there's a good silicone case that would work for the gemini - just for drop protection. Jul 05 14:46:43 Not really a fan of the leather variety. Jul 05 14:46:55 Maybe I could get one 3D printed. Jul 05 16:34:34 yesyes, 4.4 kernel. Give me a week! :) Jul 05 16:35:05 i brought an atfolioX screen protector for my gemini... it fits well but is a lot thicker than the factory one. so the gemini magnets doesnt hold the gemini closed as good anymore :( Jul 05 16:38:48 4.4 would be a notch better, but I'd want 4.18-rc3 Jul 05 16:53:42 mainline, even better, agreed. Jul 05 17:32:11 Misplaced my cover removal tool - thought I'd left it in the box. :| Jul 05 17:32:29 judicious use of a flathead screwdriver seems to work just fine. Jul 05 21:31:58 yay, so i managed to flash via linux mint, while ubuntu simply refused to correctly connect to the preloader **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 03:00:01 2018