**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 03:00:02 2018 Jul 06 07:24:17 so how do I do a full backup of a default install? I want to be able to recover all the apps & settings etc after fiddling with linux installs Jul 06 10:40:17 dch, I'm not sure if there are instructions on www.oesf.org regarding full backup of the Gemini... did you have a look there? Jul 06 10:45:58 dch, you can try to follow these instruction: https://irisbuddies.blogspot.com/2016/12/how-to-take-backup-of-stock-rom-and.html Jul 06 10:46:52 I did have a look but there's not much. Android's backup approach seems pretty shit TBH. It looks like google only backs up google stuff, and the rest is on your own AFAICT. Jul 06 10:46:59 Omegamoon: super thanks I will give that a go. Jul 06 10:48:09 I think the MTK Droid Tools doesn't work for the MT6797, but I'm not 100% sure Jul 06 10:49:10 but when you use the flash_tool it should be easy to use the "ReadBack" option in there to backup all the partitions Jul 06 10:49:36 the only drawback is that you have to do that for each partition one by one Jul 06 10:53:54 dch, see here also: https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/Flashing#firmware-backup Jul 06 11:11:31 also, windows. It's going to take me more time than I have to achieve this. Omegamoon thanks heaps for the advice, I'll tackle it next week if I can find some time. Jul 06 12:28:24 is it normal that, when you exit from termux, it still runs in the background and it remains in the list of the running apps? Jul 06 12:31:04 I always close it by typing "exit" and pressing Return twice... is the only wait to fully close it by pressing on the square symbol, waiting that the close gadget appears and pressing it? Jul 06 12:52:01 the promised Agenda app from Planet has been finally released! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pripla.gemagenda Jul 06 12:52:43 VartiWork: termux closes itself from the menu after closing the window with exit i htink Jul 06 12:52:56 And yeah, the agenda app also looks quite nice. Jul 06 12:54:50 VartiWork - Termux persists, I've had to swipe down from the top, then do a swipe motion down on the entry containing the Termux "is running" status -- it allows you to exit from there. Jul 06 12:55:07 Exit just terminates the current session. Jul 06 12:56:02 I wished there was some alternative way to close it via its shell... like a "quit" command Jul 06 12:56:28 not a big issue anyway, but it is annoying to have to close it everytime I check the running apps list Jul 06 12:56:34 I suppose its a safeguard against a spurious exit stopping everything since you can multiple sessions Jul 06 12:56:53 Yeah, depends on your usage patterns. Jul 06 12:57:08 *can have multiple sessions, rather Jul 06 13:01:14 you're right, in case of multiple sessions it would be annoying to be only able to close all of them Jul 06 13:10:20 VartiWork: thanks for the heads up on the agenda app. It requires access to contacts, media, and other things. Why should it? I hate it when apps have to have access to aspects of my life they shouldn't. Jul 06 13:11:38 it would be nice if you could decide for every app what they should have access to, though I have never seen such an app Jul 06 13:14:33 many (some?) apps allow you to deny access to various aspects but still function. this agenda app does not: if you deny it access to the contacts, say, it doesn't allow you to get any further in the installation. I've now uninstalled it. Jul 06 13:14:49 but I will say that the app looks very nice/professional otherwise. Jul 06 13:16:20 Even on a normal Android phone, the app presents my calendar details in a much more effective manner than other calendar apps I have tried. Jul 06 13:16:44 so kudos to Planet on this but bummer about the need for so much information access. Jul 06 13:20:10 it... what? how else would it present your agenda items? Jul 06 13:20:19 install Netguard and you'll be amazed where apps call out to. Any vague (network) access can be blocked by Netguard... only XPrivacy was able to block all permissions per app, but that works only up until Android 6 Jul 06 13:23:16 leinir: I am happy for it to have access to my google calendar, say, but why would it need access to my contacts? and why can it not function without that access? Jul 06 13:24:03 why does it needs access to my audio and image media? it's only an agenda! Jul 06 13:25:51 Why does it need contacts? Because there are people associated with your events, and being able to call, message or otherwise do stuff with them is useful... Jul 06 13:26:08 Media access? Because being able to add pictures and whatnot to events is also something people do Jul 06 13:26:47 I'd prefer granular permission control in Android - if it "breaks" an apps functionality, I don't care. A lot of apps have "social" crap built in that I'd never use - so I'd like to restrict access to contacts and such if it really doesn't need it. Jul 06 13:27:01 Just throw that on the large pile of featureset wishes Jul 06 13:27:33 If I'm really that bothered I can make my own, but its annoying. Jul 06 13:27:43 And as to why it can't work without access? Because alternate code paths are expensive to maintain, and Planet is three people :P Jul 06 13:28:25 leinir: yes, I can see why you *might* wish to have the app be able to access such information but why can the app not run without such access? If I'm willing to put up with the resulting limitations, that should be up to me, not the app. As TallTim says as well. Jul 06 13:29:03 leinir: there is no need for alternate code paths, just simple if ... else ... Jul 06 13:29:58 I use my calendar app on my phone as a read-only view so the restrictions that would be imposed by not having access to the various other bits of information would not affect me in the least. oh well, c'est la vie. Jul 06 13:33:10 esfraga - It would help if mobile devs could just live with users denying certain permissions so their app logic would silently fail on request - but keep going anyway. I know its a pipe-dream, but I can't help think of it. Jul 06 13:40:24 TallTim: yes. but it shouldn't be a pipe-dream; some apps work just fine with access denied. most don't, unfortunately. Jul 06 13:41:10 Yes, like the contacts example - if an app doesn't get access, either branch away from populating that array or just completely skip it in the internal methods... but hey, I like dreaming. Jul 06 13:43:38 but, to be fair to Planet, they've done a lovely job on the app and it did give me a deja vu feeling (back to 3/3a/3mx days...) :) Jul 06 13:44:14 I love my Gemini - just talking about app perms in the android space in general Jul 06 13:44:32 I'd love a Debian version of the app that integrated with Emacs org mode... now *that's* a pipe dream. :-> Jul 06 13:44:45 < Dreamclouds Form > Jul 06 13:45:16 Its okay, when AI start coding their own things maybe if we're nice we'll get what we want. Jul 06 13:45:38 ha Jul 06 14:08:14 anyone get there hand on the new agenda and data apps? Jul 06 14:08:14 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/06/gemini_agenda_exclusive/ Jul 06 14:14:06 "it has received new investment which enables it to produce further models and fulfil its retail ambitions." Jul 06 14:14:12 very good news Jul 06 14:21:30 yeah, planet computers is apparently getting a new investor (undisclosed) but im more interested in those sweet sweet apps Jul 06 20:06:43 My gemini wifi-only survived 4 days on battery doing various light things on it. bits of internet, bits of GPS, bits of music playing. Jul 06 20:21:45 Nice! Ive been watching videos all day on mine over 4g (i have unlimited data) and seem to be able to get 13-14 hours with the screen pretty dim, listening over headphones. stock android Jul 06 20:33:56 that sounds pretty good, too! Jul 06 21:15:51 i got my gemini second hand off ebay. does anyone know if i still get a warranty or support from PC? would there be a warranty even if i bought it from them? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 07 03:00:00 2018