**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 02 03:00:01 2018
Aug 02 09:00:52 <cos-> great, new termux version from google play supports pgup/pgdown on gemini
Aug 02 09:17:47 <VartiWork> cos-: that's some great news
Aug 02 09:18:35 <cos-> i hope it'll come to f-droid also, i'd prefer installing apps from there as they are built from clean source
Aug 02 09:35:19 <VartiWork> hgwells628[m]: thanks for the info, so apparently forcing the refresh to 60Hz under RetroArch should work
Aug 02 09:35:20 <Zevv> Jay, it got through
Aug 02 12:04:25 <VartiWork> Notice: we have now set the channel to "secret" and unset the "registered only" mode, let's see if this also blocks the spambots. If it won't, I'll set the registered only mode again on
Aug 02 12:05:21 <Zevv> Thanks VartiWork
Aug 02 12:06:03 <leinir> VartiWork: if you set +q, unregistered users can still speak but only ops will see it
Aug 02 12:06:31 <leinir> (didn't realise that second bit before ;) )
Aug 02 12:13:15 <VartiWork> aha thanks for the info... I'll set that as well then, if I'll have to set +r again
Aug 02 12:14:57 <VartiWork> only that it will be annoying for us OPs to see again all the spam, but at least none of you will see it as well :)
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Aug 02 12:20:35 <Zevv> too bad
Aug 02 12:20:44 <Zevv> cached
Aug 02 12:23:26 <Konehaltia> Looks like the bot author wasn't lazy enough :/
Aug 02 12:34:10 <Zevv> caching is probably easier then lookng up all of the time
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Aug 02 13:09:18 <VartiWork> ouch :(
Aug 02 13:11:32 <VartiWork> leinir: unfortunately +q only works on single users and not for the whole channel, it's like +b
Aug 02 13:12:08 <leinir> VartiWork: aw damn... maybe +n then? i'm sure there's some way to do this...
Aug 02 13:12:32 <Zevv> staff also recomments +r
Aug 02 13:12:47 <leinir> right
Aug 02 13:13:05 <VartiWork> Zevv: any link to this?
Aug 02 13:14:28 <VartiWork> leinir: we already have +n here, and anyway it should be only for users outside the channel, so that they can't send messages here if they have not joined this channel
Aug 02 13:14:36 <leinir> Right
Aug 02 13:14:49 <Zevv> "-christel(christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel)- : [Global Notice] Hi all, we are aware of the current spambot attacks, and we would encourage  users to set themselves +R and channel operators to set +r in the channels while the attack is ongoing. While our mitigating efforts are catching
Aug 02 13:14:54 <Zevv>  the vast majority at the gte, a small proportion still make it through. Apologies for the inconvenience a nd please bear with us as we do our best  to minimize impact."
Aug 02 13:19:04 <VartiWork> ah, missed that, thanks
Aug 02 13:29:09 <Zevv> np
Aug 02 13:30:46 <Konehaltia> There is some way to quiet unregistered users, I think, so they can still join but can't say anything. Of course the joins and quits would still spam people who don't have a join/part filter, so +r might be a better option anyway.
Aug 02 14:37:01 <WorkingClassDev> hmm im +R but still getting them
Aug 02 14:49:40 <VartiWork> WorkingClassDev: we were getting them again earlier, for just an hour or so, while we were testing a new channel mode (which didn't stop them)
Aug 02 14:50:56 <VartiWork> the last spamming message was roughly 2 hours ago, after that I set +r back to on
Aug 02 14:51:25 <VartiWork> there shouldn't be any now
Aug 02 14:53:49 <WorkingClassDev> no i meant personally mate
Aug 02 14:53:58 <WorkingClassDev> got 200+ messages from these plonkers
Aug 02 15:17:20 <VartiWork> it must be from spambots that are still logged here
Aug 02 15:18:31 <VartiWork> could be please tell me the name of one of the bots which is spamming you?
Aug 02 15:20:48 <VartiWork> sorry, have to go for now, I'll be back later
Aug 02 15:42:57 <WorkingClassDev> no worries mate
Aug 02 15:43:00 <WorkingClassDev> sorry, was afk
Aug 02 15:56:32 <WorkingClassDev> this sailfish tutorial makes me want to take a hammer to the phone
Aug 02 15:58:22 <WorkingClassDev> ok so sailfish junk, debian junk, android really old.  yay!  I can see this going on ebay
Aug 02 15:58:39 <WorkingClassDev> i guess my honeymoon period is well and truely over
Aug 02 17:06:47 <dep> WorkingClassDev : i'm sticking with my blackberry until sailfish 3 comes out (though protonmail on blackberry 10 is nonexistent)
Aug 02 17:07:08 <dep> if sailfish 3 isn't what is promised, i'm right behind you.
Aug 02 17:09:21 <WorkingClassDev> such a shame im have a real bone to pick with planet.  They sold us a linux portable, no mention of being sorted by the community.  Bloody rip off merchants in my eyes
Aug 02 17:09:39 <WorkingClassDev> i feel for people trying to make this work I really do but for me i cba
Aug 02 17:10:38 <WorkingClassDev> over the last 7 weeks I've tried really hard to find a place for this device but I still cant find one.  Right now all its done is be a sky go player for the tour de france while at work
Aug 02 17:10:42 <WorkingClassDev> sad really
Aug 02 17:15:43 <dep> i agree across the board. if they had correctly marketed an android phone that might oneday if somebody does it be able to bool linux, though
Aug 02 17:16:27 <dep> run it poorly due to lack of text mode or pointing device, i would not have backed it. (and bool=boot)
Aug 02 17:17:09 <dep> and i would have hundreds of dollars that i do not have.
Aug 02 17:28:00 <Zevv> funny how different people think of the device
Aug 02 17:28:19 <Zevv> I'm happy as a little kid
Aug 02 17:28:28 <Zevv> Im not at al an android fan, but I can live with it
Aug 02 17:28:53 <Zevv> It runs termux which suits all my needs: a light sysytem with basic scripting, and all communicationw ith the protocols I like
Aug 02 17:29:01 <Zevv> ssh, curl, etc
Aug 02 17:29:05 <TallTim> WorkingClassDev - Agreed on the PR spin, wish it had been communicated differently.
Aug 02 17:29:11 <WorkingClassDev> termux is currently sat here borken for me.  Can't download something.
Aug 02 17:29:19 <TallTim> Also, haven't heard "PLONK" since the usenet days lol
Aug 02 17:29:35 <WorkingClassDev> i really am that old ;-)
Aug 02 17:29:40 <TallTim> Seasoned
Aug 02 17:29:58 <Zevv> I think  me expectetions were just low enough
Aug 02 17:30:01 <TallTim> alt.binaries.planetcomputer.gemini.linux
Aug 02 17:30:06 <TallTim> heh.
Aug 02 17:30:21 <WorkingClassDev> Planet flat out piss me off.  They pissed me off with the ordering thing and now once the sun has set and i'm actually trying to use the device they piss me off with poor software, basically fuck planet.  I hope they go under and never come back
Aug 02 17:30:28 <WorkingClassDev> hehe
Aug 02 17:30:45 <TallTim> I understand your flame, but I'd like to see a second try with lessons learned
Aug 02 17:31:12 <WorkingClassDev> but who would back them?  I 100% will not buy another planet device unless at retail after its been proven for a long time
Aug 02 17:31:30 <TallTim> Its a solid point, maybe just me then...
Aug 02 17:31:36 <WorkingClassDev> infact on principle (cus there snide cunts) I probably would back them at all
Aug 02 17:31:48 <WorkingClassDev> wouldnt*
Aug 02 17:32:07 <TallTim> I haven't had your experiences, but to be fair I haven't been messing with internals and trying to communicate with them.
Aug 02 17:32:23 <TallTim> <-- Such a filthy casual sometimes
Aug 02 17:33:22 <WorkingClassDev> Mate all i wanted was a delivery date.  They kept promising them and would ignore emails when they had my cash in their bank.  Then the only reason I got mine was cus I demanded a refund... oh looks its shipped sorry you cant have that... then when I get the device its nothing like the promises.  So yea, fuck planet right in the face
Aug 02 17:33:39 <TallTim> Oh my. Well, I understand that then.
Aug 02 17:34:09 <WorkingClassDev> Ironically if they've been honest and said Mate, we just dont know... we're trying but its hard... that would have bought them six months and no hassel.  Instead they WROTE software to lie to people
Aug 02 17:34:14 <TallTim> Maybe they could woo a bigger partner perhaps.
Aug 02 17:34:35 <TallTim> Oh damn, they did? I must've missed that detail.
Aug 02 17:34:50 <WorkingClassDev> yea the shipping liar on planets website
Aug 02 17:34:52 <TallTim> Pardon me, I just have had mine for a few months
Aug 02 17:35:01 <TallTim> So I don't know all of this I suppose
Aug 02 17:35:05 <WorkingClassDev> i bet mine is still saying delivery in june ;-)
Aug 02 17:35:22 <WorkingClassDev> you've had yours quicker than me then... wifi got pushed off cliff
Aug 02 17:35:26 <TallTim> Okay, that was pretty bad then. I see why you're mad
Aug 02 17:35:51 <WorkingClassDev> "We'll be doing it by order number" ... "Oh except wifi people, fuck you. your last"
Aug 02 17:36:04 <TallTim> And zero updates why
Aug 02 17:36:10 <WorkingClassDev> correct
Aug 02 17:36:30 <TallTim> And it wasn't exactly cheap, so... yeah. That would be annoying.
Aug 02 17:37:39 <WorkingClassDev> well i have a space next to my palm t5 and psion 3a in the glass cage of computing of the past
Aug 02 17:38:07 <TallTim> I have an old Nokia psuedo tablet thing from 2005 somewhere
Aug 02 17:38:12 <TallTim> I forgot the model name
Aug 02 17:38:15 <TallTim> I understand
Aug 02 17:38:19 <WorkingClassDev> for me i just dont like how planet talk to customers, i dont like this slight of hand rubbish and i wouldn't trust em to chop a cucumber
Aug 02 17:38:47 <TallTim> haha that's a new one, brutal but hilarious
Aug 02 17:39:19 <WorkingClassDev> there are people right now with orders in on indigogo getting zero updates
Aug 02 17:39:40 <TallTim> I wonder what the batch totals were
Aug 02 17:39:56 <TallTim> If they still have backlogged units
Aug 02 17:40:03 <WorkingClassDev> who knows
Aug 02 17:40:15 <TallTim> Not me, for sure
Aug 02 17:40:29 <WorkingClassDev> the only ones we really know are the gold ones ;-)
Aug 02 17:40:44 <TallTim> hah right, forgot about those
Aug 02 17:41:11 <TallTim> I'm getting a small CNC-esque milling thing, I might just make some new covers
Aug 02 17:41:22 <WorkingClassDev> nice
Aug 02 17:41:27 <TallTim> Though it might be easier to bend it from scrap lol
Aug 02 17:41:35 <WorkingClassDev> i stuck a pegatin on mine from a batch i got for the bikes
Aug 02 17:41:47 <TallTim> Sorry, not familiar with that
Aug 02 17:42:00 <WorkingClassDev> www.pegatin.com
Aug 02 17:42:10 <TallTim> ah stickers
Aug 02 17:42:31 <WorkingClassDev> yea, individually cut letter etc
Aug 02 17:42:50 <WorkingClassDev> if I'd know i'd have got "GB_FLAG Utter Gash M'old"
Aug 02 17:42:52 <TallTim> Now that you mention it, you could do a "wrap" style graphic treatment, but I don't have the equipment to print it
Aug 02 17:43:00 <TallTim> hehe
Aug 02 17:43:06 <WorkingClassDev> the 3ds ones would work
Aug 02 17:43:20 <WorkingClassDev> I got a spare and thought about cutting that for the top and bottom panel
Aug 02 17:43:27 <TallTim> hmm nice
Aug 02 17:43:40 <TallTim> I'm into flash bits like customizing
Aug 02 17:43:47 <TallTim> Just for the hell of it
Aug 02 17:43:54 <WorkingClassDev> nice
Aug 02 17:44:43 <TallTim> I'd love to 3D sinter metal keycaps with LED-able transparencies done with epoxy/resin
Aug 02 17:44:59 <TallTim> But that gets into the crazy stratosphere of custom stuff
Aug 02 17:45:06 <WorkingClassDev> hehe true
Aug 02 17:45:14 <WorkingClassDev> I'd be happy with a consisten space bar hahah
Aug 02 17:45:35 <TallTim> I used the "paper shim" method on the actuator
Aug 02 17:45:39 <TallTim> It seems to help
Aug 02 17:45:44 <TallTim> Or some other thin material
Aug 02 17:45:50 <WorkingClassDev> i really cba, my love has kinda died
Aug 02 17:45:57 <TallTim> I understand.
Aug 02 17:47:52 <WorkingClassDev> the gemini reminds me of so many things.  Such awesome potential, not realised
Aug 02 17:48:35 <TallTim> I suppose that is how it goes. I'll be on the lookout for other attempts... from someone ... :)
Aug 02 17:48:55 <WorkingClassDev> yea me too, but after it actually launches instead of paid reviews
Aug 02 18:11:55 <dep> well, gotta say that i'm entirely happy with ubuntu 18.04 on my gpd pocket -- it took the gemini to teach me how good the gpd is.
Aug 02 18:13:29 <dep> https://www.athensnews.com/opinion/columns/the_view_from_mudsock_heights/revealed-the-fevered-confessions-of-a-gadget-addict/article_15594222-8856-11e8-ab89-a338088514eb.html
Aug 02 18:18:37 <TheKit> dep, just curious, what's your general usecase for gpd?
Aug 02 18:19:40 <dep> email, word processing, photo editing -- being able to do work from the scenes of stories i cover. and in the office, plugging it into the hub
Aug 02 18:19:56 <dep> and using keyboard, trackball, monitor, and external storage.
Aug 02 18:20:10 <dep> and of course the cellular dongle.
Aug 02 18:21:30 <dep> thought gemini would be a decent device for reporters, but it's not.
Aug 02 18:22:56 <dep> and i can use the protonmail bridge with the gpd, but not the gemini.
Aug 02 18:24:39 <TheKit> GPD is x86, so that's expected
Aug 02 18:30:01 <dep> yes. but linux was expected on the gemini, also.
Aug 02 18:30:29 <dep> and the gpd is not blobland.
Aug 02 18:44:20 <TheKit> dep, I mean, is Protonmail Bridge proprietary and compiled only for x86?
Aug 02 18:44:29 <TheKit> or there is another reason you can't use it?
Aug 02 18:49:45 <TheKit> personally, I've got Rock64 board recently, and, well, wish there was Gemini 2 Linux edition with a chip by Rockchip
Aug 02 18:50:41 <TheKit> it's probably less powerful or power-efficient than MediaTek and lacks mobile connectivity, but they at least provide some Linux support and communicate with community
Aug 02 19:06:22 <razumihin> Funny, I sold my gpd pocket as I felt it was crap.
Aug 02 19:06:33 <razumihin> And I'm super happy with gemini.
Aug 02 19:08:10 <razumihin> Shows how different use cases people have for devices.
Aug 02 19:11:38 <WorkingClassDev> weird, i'd just like the gemini to consistantly connect to wifi.  That would be nice
Aug 02 19:11:42 <WorkingClassDev> under debian
Aug 02 19:12:14 <WorkingClassDev> the conman ui on debian is unusable bollocks imho
Aug 02 19:14:49 <TheKit> on buster, Plasma Desktop is running with NetworkManager, but there were problems integrating it with ofono
Aug 02 20:07:19 <dep> TheKit : i think that there may be source for protonmail bridge. but i'd just as soon use the precompiled, of which there isn't one for ArmX.
Aug 02 21:38:50 <Kero> dist-upgrading to buster is fine on the Gemini? Wifi-only model here, so no ofono.
Aug 02 21:41:25 <TheKit> dist-upgrading is untested, likely it will break
Aug 02 21:41:44 <TheKit> we used to have separate buster rootfs, but it can't be built now due to Qt needing rebuild
Aug 02 22:12:57 <Kero> No rush :} After a few weeks of Gemian, I'm using Android again for the month of August.
Aug 02 22:14:28 <Kero> Although I will boot linux to experiment with audio-related stuf.
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