**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 17 03:00:05 2018 Aug 17 08:13:46 looks like the registerd only flag has killed the matrix bridge Aug 17 08:18:39 VartiWork: I guess we could remove the +r flag and ping devil[m] on matrix to see if it can be reinstated ? We lost like half of the users it seems. Aug 17 08:19:36 the spammers are a pain in the neck but this measure seems a bit drastic Aug 17 08:21:27 greguu: I'll now temporarily remove the +r flag, let's see if the spambots are still active Aug 17 08:23:03 the messages are still forwarded there btw, just the users on matrix are not listed here Aug 17 08:25:34 it looks like freenode already put measures in place Aug 17 08:25:45 frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg): Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be Aug 17 08:25:47 │ | notified. Aug 17 08:27:34 VartiWork: You have an matrix logon, can you ping devil to check about the matrix bridge ? Aug 17 08:28:49 yes, I'm there too... I guess it's better to first wait if +r can be now left as unset Aug 17 08:29:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM Aug 17 08:29:24 nope :( Aug 17 08:29:27 lol Aug 17 08:29:49 watch it Aug 17 08:29:54 lol Aug 17 08:30:18 see it got kicked by freenode Aug 17 08:30:59 yes, they usually get kicked, but only once the join and post spam Aug 17 08:32:36 but if it's just one or two spambots per day, maybe we can keep +r as unset Aug 17 08:32:46 well lets keep it open for a few hours and see how much comes through Aug 17 08:33:24 I guess we agreed on that ;) Aug 17 08:33:35 funny lag Aug 17 08:33:49 heh Aug 17 08:34:19 telepathy Aug 17 08:34:32 here your message appeared the moment I pressed enter. but the timestamp is 10 sec difference Aug 17 08:35:00 maybe the freenode spam filter check Aug 17 08:35:21 hmm possible Aug 17 08:36:13 they might have a (growing) list of spam links/messages Aug 17 08:40:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM Aug 17 08:45:44 grr Aug 17 08:45:53 and it's the same link as before Aug 17 08:45:56 korean isp ip. possibly bot net. Aug 17 08:48:42 greguu: we already have 14 IP ranges in the ban list, I think banning won't help much Aug 17 08:49:43 VartiWork: +r is pretty effective Aug 17 08:49:59 yeah I guess we have to Aug 17 08:50:18 its worse than I thought Aug 17 09:03:51 yep :( Aug 17 09:30:58 https://ibb.co/b5R6He Aug 17 09:35:34 usb-c to serial adapter. pl2303 based. works out of the box. Aug 17 09:51:06 btw, is there a guide/howto on how to create/modify keyboard layout? Aug 17 09:51:22 ar: for android ? Aug 17 09:51:29 yup, for the hardware keyboard Aug 17 09:51:35 the polish keyboard layout is somewhat bad Aug 17 09:54:50 ar: https://source.android.com/devices/input/key-layout-files for how to map linux key codes to Android key codes Aug 17 09:55:18 ar: https://source.android.com/devices/input/key-character-map-files for how to map Android key codes to characters (and fallback actions) Aug 17 09:55:55 Konehaltia: that would require me to rebuild a whole android image? Aug 17 09:56:12 No, just edit a file (assuming you have root) Aug 17 09:57:30 There's also some trick to change layouts without root. There's a program on the app store that has Finnish keyboard tweaks for various physical-keyboard devices, and it doesn't need root. It's open source, so you can check how it does that: https://github.com/anssih/finqwerty Aug 17 09:57:57 thanks Aug 17 09:58:08 But it is of course easier if you have root, since then you'll only have to edit one file (assuming you find editing system files easier than installing programs ;) Aug 17 09:59:58 i don't have root on my gemini - the default image doesn't give it, right? but the android version and security patches are so old, it's probably just a matter of looking for an exploit Aug 17 10:01:06 The files for the Gemini are /system/usr/keylayout/mtk-kpd.kl and /system/usr/keychars/Generic.kcm Aug 17 10:04:04 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34895 Aug 17 10:04:28 maybe this will help Aug 17 10:04:49 There is a definition file in / system / usr / keylayout and / system / usr / keychars. Aug 17 10:05:04 ah well, late to the party Aug 17 10:24:55 VartiWork: to what extent can the oesf forum be improved? Viewing it on the gemini in firefox, and the links are too tiny to click on. Aug 17 10:26:54 Example: selecting "Gemini PDA -=Linux OS" means clicking the text, which is hit or missmwhereas clicking the table entry (everything between the icon on the left and number of messages (143)) would be easy. Aug 17 10:38:14 Kero: a forum upgrade is planned since some months, the idea is to switch to either myBB or Discord. It mainly depends on which one better imports a IPBoard database Aug 17 10:38:52 how would discord be better than an actual forum? Aug 17 10:38:55 ,_, Aug 17 10:40:09 ar: I must say I still need to check how configurable is Discord, so that it looks like a forum Aug 17 10:40:42 my intention is anyway to keep OESF as a traditional forum Aug 17 10:42:35 unfortunately I still can't give an estimated date of the upgrade (real life etc.), but I'd like this to be done asap Aug 17 10:43:28 my plan is to have a better forum readability, Tapatalk support, better antispam functionalities, not being tied to a commercial solution Aug 17 10:44:25 also, I'd like to have the possibility for each user to filter out specific forums (e.g. regional forums, or Zaurus forums for Gemini owners etc.) Aug 17 10:45:29 Non-commerdial (or even non-dependent on anyone else) is important. Commercial offerings tend to languish (android 7, anyone) or disappear entirely. Aug 17 10:45:57 * greguu likes discord. Aug 17 10:46:36 there is a bbforum to discord script Aug 17 10:46:52 discord? or discourse? Aug 17 10:46:55 * Kero will patiently wait for the change Aug 17 10:47:25 discord is just a walled garden chat, even irc is better in many ways Aug 17 10:50:49 discourse actually, same as the void forums Aug 17 10:51:36 fresh and within the times. Aug 17 10:51:55 well, that my personal preference Aug 17 10:58:21 although using Void, haven't used the forum. Looks spiffy and very usable on the Gemini Aug 17 10:58:43 (currently on the road with only my Gemini) Aug 17 11:06:14 Kero: I hope OESF forums will be move to a new platform, but in the meantime you can use https://www.oesf.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php Aug 17 11:06:50 s/moved/move Aug 17 11:13:32 discourse I don't mind, it's ok Aug 17 11:14:10 but I think dfeed is even better: https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed Aug 17 11:21:38 tastes differ, but its more classic. anyway I am not in a position to make the call. we will see. Aug 17 11:49:37 sorry, I meant discourse, not discord (argh) Aug 17 11:55:38 if someone would resurrect siilihai for android, we wouldn't have to use browser to read forums.. currently i don't have time to maintain it. Aug 17 12:07:34 @appservice-irc:matrix.org kicked canny. Reason: IRC error on #gemini-pda: err_needreggednick A canny joined the room. @appservice-irc:matrix.org kicked canny. Reason: IRC error on #gemini-pda: err_needreggednick A canny joined the room. @appservice-irc:matrix.org kicked canny. Reason: IRC error on #gemini-pda: err_needreggednick A canny joined the room. A 14:03 @appservice-irc:matrix.org kicked canny. Reason: IRC error on #ge Aug 17 12:07:47 damn Aug 17 12:08:14 Canny isn't registered here on IRC, so he got kicked on matrix too Aug 17 12:09:07 he tried to login on matrix, but got kicked every time Aug 17 12:10:22 we need to find a temporary solution for this... removing the matrix bridge would be one, but I don't want to go that route Aug 17 12:11:29 ptotter[m]: I see you are chatting from matrix without any problem... do you happen to be registere on Freenode too, with the exactly same nick? Aug 17 12:13:07 actually, I see that you are actually "Paul" on Matrix... I wonder how your account on Freenode has been linked to your Matrix one... Aug 17 12:13:20 I'll PM devyl now about the matter Aug 17 12:14:03 so I just set my nick using !nick to appservice-irc Aug 17 12:14:11 and then registered it in the chat with nickserv Aug 17 12:18:59 now Firefox crashed on me, which means that I have to wait until I have my nick back Aug 17 12:19:32 and in the meanwhile I can't login to Matrix... bah Aug 17 12:20:57 devyl: we'll need to find a way to get at least Canny back Aug 17 12:35:38 . Aug 17 12:36:25 seams to work now... i had a similar problem with irc :) @VartiWork (IRC) did you saw my answer on irc side? Aug 17 12:46:44 yes Aug 17 12:46:54 thanks for fixing it devyl Aug 17 12:47:03 need to go now... later Aug 17 13:09:45 hmmm canny dont answer me... if someone has an open conversation to him => he need to set his password on @appservice-irc:matrix.org with !storepass and msg the nickserv with "identify canny hispassword" Aug 17 18:14:49 Finally registered on Freenode IRC - but web and riot.im apps still not letting me in....(being thick today) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 18 03:00:01 2018