**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 22 02:59:57 2019 Nov 22 03:55:26 Marex: not sure really, but the japanese community for gemini-pda is pretty silent since middle of 2019. The most recent comment in the cosmo bbs in regards to gemini android 8 and DoCoMo support is quite pessimistic Nov 22 03:55:29 https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/smartphone/1555973234/591 Nov 22 03:57:53 https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/smartphone/1573469924/66 Nov 22 04:02:18 greguu: how does that not surprise me Nov 22 04:09:35 sigh Nov 22 04:11:25 Marex: can't you put android 8 on it if it works? Nov 22 12:58:58 akik: well that's what I did and since then the device is absolutelly useless :) Nov 22 12:59:17 akik: it kinda worked, albeit poorly, with android 7.x ... after the android 8.x update, it does not work at all Nov 22 12:59:46 akik: it's been reported to planetcom repeatedly, but no feedback and no fixes, so I think they just abandoned the device and the users Nov 22 13:32:28 huh Nov 22 13:46:00 Marex: it works fine with android 7 for me Nov 22 13:46:14 Marex: which part doesn't work for you? Nov 22 13:55:27 my brother who has the gemini now says that android 8.1 works fine Nov 22 14:16:23 akik: on docomo network ? Nov 22 14:16:51 akik: this is what I just said, mind you, it used to kinda work on android 7.x and it stopped working on android 8.x altogether Nov 22 14:17:23 akik: read here http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Gemini_Android_8_Upgrade , quote Nov 22 14:17:28 " Nov 22 14:17:28 IMPORTANT INFORMATION for users in Japan on the NTT DoCoMo network: we had some reports that the network is not detected by the Android 8 firmware. We are investigating - please wait to upgrade your Gemini until further information is provided Nov 22 14:17:33 " Nov 22 14:17:41 they are investigating for half a year now Nov 22 14:18:44 that's about 1/4 of a lifespan of a mobile phone, so to leave such a grave bug open for so long ... ugh Nov 22 15:03:38 I hate to appear unsympathetic but they do specifically provide a work around. Simply leave your phone in Android 7. Then it will be functional until such time as they fix the problem. Nov 22 15:55:43 davedoom: can you remind me which security patch is in that last Android 7 image ? I think it's missing about 2 years of security fixes ? So thanks, but no thanks Nov 22 15:56:41 davedoom: besides, "it used to kinda work on android 7.x" and "it kinda worked, albeit poorly, with android 7.x" means that with android 7, the data connection kinda worked, it did not really work properly Nov 22 15:56:55 that means I had situations where the connection just died off for 20 minutes and then required multiple restarts Nov 22 15:56:58 so no, that's not a workaround Nov 22 15:57:30 and sorry, with this expensive premium device, I would expect _much_ better from planetcom, heck, a much cheaper off-the-shelf device doesn't have these problems, ever ... Nov 22 15:57:50 and the gemini is basically a repackaged off-the-shelf phone, so this really is a total failure on planetcom end Nov 22 15:59:08 and if planetcom sells something as a communicator and they cannot even deliver on that basic functionality, well ... what do you expect me to be but disappointed ? Nov 22 16:08:45 android 7 is kind of out of date. It is too bad that upstream is not providing support any more. Nov 22 16:17:12 davedoom: you mean the upstream which ... uh ... should be doing planetcom's job for free, while planetcom pockets all the money ? Nov 22 16:17:48 yeah.... i guess Nov 22 16:19:19 Planet is about 5 guys in a room in london. They don't have the resources to write and maintain an OS. Nov 22 16:20:56 davedoom: I would be perfectly fine if they just admitted that, but keeping radio silence just doesn't work for me Nov 22 16:21:40 davedoom: the way I see it is they alienated the community by promising all the debian support and all and then just tossing it over the fence and running away Nov 22 16:21:58 davedoom: that all then fell onto the community to do it themselves ... Nov 22 16:22:06 MOre like they bit off more than they could chew. Nov 22 16:23:11 certainly Nov 22 16:23:38 if they didn't alienate the community though, they could've successfully built an ecosystem around the device and there would be no problem **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 22 22:22:56 2019 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 23 02:59:57 2019