**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 06 02:59:57 2020 Feb 06 13:10:50 hey quick question wtf https://imgur.com/a/ANRla60 Feb 06 13:11:21 I just disabled google play services and toggled location services Feb 06 13:11:50 all my apps are from F-Droid except WhatsApp Feb 06 13:12:37 Cosmo isn't rooted Feb 06 13:13:09 how the frig is my phone pwned by the Chinese already Feb 06 13:14:00 also the location request icon is now permanently on, even with location services disabled Feb 06 13:18:08 What is the firmware version? Guessing that be part of the FOTA update malware that was present in pre v19, since they dispatch things by location, so maybe that's a fallback that kicks in when you disable location services. Feb 06 13:18:18 (Just a wild guess, though.) Feb 06 13:19:24 I also caught the cover display mentioning mozilla location services one time, which should not be running at all Feb 06 13:19:36 firmare is v19 Feb 06 13:21:51 weird Feb 06 13:23:23 I'd be interested if others can reproduce this by disabling google play services and location services. Did you follow a specific de-googling howto? I think I've seen one on oesf. Feb 06 13:24:06 no, just toggling ordinary settings Feb 06 13:24:39 googling the specific wording leads me to believe this is Baidu_Location.apk Feb 06 13:25:10 which is installed instead of Google's location services, although it's marked as "Google Play Services" Feb 06 13:25:19 pre-pwned for your convnience Feb 06 13:25:43 Maybe just part of the MediaTek customized base android package? Feb 06 13:26:25 Why do you say your devices is pwned when you get a message box asking you to enable location services, which you can decline? Feb 06 13:27:22 Except for the poor english this sounds similar to the phrasing in the google location services popup. Feb 06 13:27:28 Because I don't remember agreeing to a Baidu license the first time around Feb 06 13:28:13 did you just toggle location services on or off? Feb 06 13:28:17 "location services" is not a board support thing, it's a network services thing Feb 06 13:28:51 On Feb 06 13:29:01 turn off, turn on, get popup Feb 06 13:29:29 it's repeatable in my device's current configuration Feb 06 13:29:43 and if you enable google play services again and toggle location services off and on again? Feb 06 13:30:03 (Still guessing that this might be a fallback of some kind.) Feb 06 13:30:19 Nothing Feb 06 13:30:23 no popup Feb 06 13:30:40 Did you agree to the google location thingy the first time around? Feb 06 13:31:21 the popup also pops up if you have location services enabled when you disable google play services, apparently Feb 06 13:31:55 My theory is that it uses google location services if google play services are enabled, and otherwise falls back to the Baidu location service. Feb 06 13:32:10 And you didn't previously agree to that, so you get a popup. Feb 06 13:32:38 So far what you write seems consistent with that theory. Feb 06 13:32:58 I have not cosmo to test, but I could try on the gemini. Feb 06 13:33:54 I see Feb 06 13:34:11 Well it allows me to enable location and get a GPS fix even if I decline Feb 06 13:34:48 I am perturbed that the location request status icon is permanently on now though Feb 06 13:35:39 However, despite this, the GPS is clearly not live unless I open an app, since there's a delay before I get a fix Feb 06 13:35:44 so maybe that's a bug Feb 06 13:38:46 oh great, it just gave me the popup again, with no action taken Feb 06 13:39:09 so it's going to nag me at 5 minute intervals forever Feb 06 13:39:24 Ok... when I disable google play services (freeze in titanium backup), I don't get that popup. Feb 06 13:39:30 (On the gemini) Feb 06 13:39:39 LineageOS can't come soon enough on this Feb 06 13:40:07 TauPan: don't freeze it, just disable it in settings->apps Feb 06 13:40:11 Instead I get a warning that some apps can't work without google play services (Carrier Services among them). Feb 06 13:40:28 yeah I got that Feb 06 13:40:38 I don't have that option. When I try deinstalling updates so I can deactivate it, it just fails. Feb 06 13:40:55 But to revert the freeze, I can just activate it in settings->apps Feb 06 13:41:33 well, I can still make calls Feb 06 13:42:42 at any rate it's clear that there's unholy stuff installed on this beyond google's unholy stuff Feb 06 13:43:52 I do have a (Titanium) backup for an app pname:"com.baidu.map.location" though. Feb 06 13:44:20 (With a chinese app name I can't copy/paste from Titanium.) Feb 06 13:46:44 I'm disappointed at the lack of any apparent progress on LineageOS/Linux Feb 06 13:47:03 Planet keep talking about the "Linux community" but it seems to be mostly imaginary Feb 06 13:47:31 OESF is the most vibrant community, and no one's talking about LineageOS on there Feb 06 13:48:03 What's the blocker? Kernel sources are public. Shouldn't it be a straightforward porting job? Feb 06 13:48:17 Should I attempt it myself? Feb 06 13:48:48 I don't think we can trust Planet to do it, if that's what everyone's waiting for Feb 06 13:49:13 Or maybe everyone is waiting for everybody else? Feb 06 13:55:56 I've witnessed people experimenting with early stages of linux on the telegram chat. See http://gemian-buster.thinkglobally.org/jenkins/ Feb 06 13:56:16 No idea about LineageOS. Feb 06 13:57:42 (Telegram chat: https://t.me/GeminiPDA ) Feb 06 14:03:29 Telegram. Wonderful l/s Feb 06 14:08:56 Ths Feb 06 14:09:17 This time it gave me 30 minutes before asking again. Feb 06 19:38:03 I believe the Baidu app is called NetworkLocation. Feb 06 20:00:50 dTal, yeah, can ping me for Linux here or on Telegram Feb 06 20:25:41 awesome Feb 06 20:25:50 TheKit: how bout that Linux then :p Feb 06 20:26:55 if you have Cosmo updated to latest, you can go to recovery menu and repartition it for multi-boot, then flash image from the jenkins link Feb 06 20:37:04 ooh. what image? Feb 06 20:41:48 http://gemian-buster.thinkglobally.org/jenkins/job/gemian-rootfs-cosmocom-kde-plasma/ Feb 06 20:42:28 http://gemian-buster.thinkglobally.org/cosmo-boot.img Feb 06 20:42:48 what works in that image? Feb 06 20:44:02 graphics, Wi-Fi, audio Feb 06 20:44:37 (well, keyboard/touch as well obviously) Feb 06 20:52:21 sim? Feb 06 20:54:29 not yet, though what needs to be done is clear from Gemini Feb 06 21:44:42 nice progress :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 07 02:59:57 2020