**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 17 02:59:57 2020 Feb 17 10:01:25 Has anyone gotten Signal-Desktop compiled on Gemian? Not having much luck myself. Feb 17 15:26:36 mifritscher: doesn't protect you from permanent malware either way Feb 17 15:27:03 mifritscher: and lugging another PC half way around the world only to do planetcom's job for free ? yep ... how about no :) Feb 17 16:11:08 Marex: will you stop complaining? If you're not willing to act on helpful suggestions, don't complain, and certainly don't dismiss them as bad/unhelpful or throw up new, unrelated hurdles. Feb 17 17:14:46 Kero: sorry ! I paid a lot of money for device which didn't deliver on any of it's promises, so I should not tell others about it, so they would sponsor planetcom ? Feb 17 17:15:36 Kero: and mind you, my comment about the isolation was on topic, I still don't understand why I should be booting a live linux distro if I run one on my machine already Feb 17 17:54:34 To be fair to PlanetCom they have been extremely responsive to support emails, for me Feb 17 17:55:16 It may have the chipset of a shitty no-name chinese smartphone, but the customer service is miles better Feb 17 17:58:39 I think the way it works is the permissible lack of polish of the device is inversely proportional to the quality of the customer service, and particularly to the affordances given to improve the thing on your own Feb 17 17:58:49 also, the uniqueness of the device Feb 17 17:59:19 so, PlanetCom have released a device like no other, and are being broadly helpful to community efforts to hack the thing Feb 17 17:59:26 so we should cut em a little slack Feb 17 18:00:21 maybe not quite so much slack as if were all librem/purism level open, but more slack than you'd cut, say, Apple Feb 17 18:28:28 Until there is truely open hardware for baseband, I don't blame planet computers with working with what they can get Feb 17 18:28:36 Not like there's a LIBRE CHIP FOUNDRY out there Feb 17 18:30:01 Open source likes to talk a big game, but I don't see any real open hardware being worked on other than the RISC initiative. Feb 17 19:54:36 TallTim: you can have your chip prototypes fabricated in a pool service Feb 17 20:06:41 Nice, then how come I've never seen anyone attempt it in the mobile space. Feb 17 20:08:53 Marex: ok, you really don't unterstand why I propose the useage of the live system, if you say, that this don't prevent permanent malware... Feb 17 20:09:19 simple solution: remove the HDD before booting the live cd :-D Feb 17 20:10:17 if PC have nobody around at this country/network this is the only way PC can help you Feb 17 20:11:05 and it shouldn't be too hard to lend a laptop for this purpose - a 50 dollar worth core2duo one is more than enough for this Feb 17 21:33:17 mifritscher: no, I really don't understand, there's so many other places where you can store permanent malware in a contemporary pc besides a drive, that if that's your concern, just use a separate PC altogether Feb 17 21:34:47 mifritscher: I'm not willing to spend any other money or time on this "premium" brick, I've paid enough and I'm not willing to do PCs job to get even basic functionality Feb 17 21:43:56 if you really want you can backup your firmware *G* (but modern laptops allow to disable flashing as well) But if you are such paranoid an android device isn't a device for you anyway Feb 17 21:47:11 and besides perhaps a dvd-device and some usb dongles (which can all be removed easily) the firmware chip has almost every code - even the network chip and most ECs have their binaries in this chip. Feb 17 21:47:19 but ok, then live with it - but don't scream at it anymore if you aren't willing to do even basic helping like a adb logcat (best on a rooted device) Feb 17 21:48:07 (other abpproach will be btw a VM - best with an extra USB controller routed to it) Feb 17 23:12:01 Is there documentation on the PlanetCom database app? It seems quite rich and interesting but I'd read a manual than trial-and-error my way through. Feb 17 23:32:34 mifritscher, it's not like they asked for those kind of logs or anything though Feb 17 23:38:39 but anyway, the "premium" is mostly not the device itself but having unique device developed and manufactured in small quantities (no idea about exact numbers but likely measured in thousands) Feb 17 23:43:30 PC do not design hardware on "low" level themselves and modem functionality likely comes unchanged from reference design, so if in some particular case it does not work and is unlikely to get fixed, I think it's better to sell the device and try something else than continue being bitter over it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 18 02:59:57 2020