**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 30 02:59:57 2020 Oct 30 07:40:39 Is there a discord channel for planet products? Oct 30 07:41:26 Yes, oesf.org has details Oct 30 07:44:47 https://discord.gg/XAKh4U2 Oct 30 07:45:10 And also https://discord.gg/4VneYPr Oct 30 07:46:15 how about bridging it here? varti seems to have admins here so shouldn't be a problem on our side. Oct 30 07:47:31 we also need admin on discord side, is anyone there? Oct 30 07:51:45 also not sure if this channel has been advertised on oesf.org or anywhere.. discord has become obsolete, i bet lot or people would prefer to change to matrix if they knew about it. Oct 30 08:21:15 cos: yes, the MAtrix channel is listed on OESF, the list should be fairly complete: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?topic=36332.0 Oct 30 08:22:09 ack Oct 30 08:22:30 I'm the only admin here since devyl has left, he has sold his Gemini :( Oct 30 08:22:47 But could we bridge 'em all as it's now possible? At least telegram should be very easy. Oct 30 08:23:45 You can admin me & maybe also flux if you want to share the burden. Oct 30 08:25:33 Another good example how a singele community is split to many thanks to multiple instant messengers.. this is why Matrix exists :-/ Oct 30 08:26:58 the only issue I see with discord is that it's split into many channels, so it would be difficult to mirror them here, unless we replicate the same structure here, provided that it's possible Oct 30 08:27:14 why wouldn't it be possible? Oct 30 08:27:46 absolutely multiple discord channels should not be mirrored to a single matrix room :) Oct 30 08:28:50 are there multiple channels on this subject? that kind of sucks. is there no "main" channel that would match this one? Oct 30 08:30:20 one option would be to create a new channel on discord that would be the bridged main room. if discord admins agree. Oct 30 08:32:08 current situation makes no sense as the tech to bridge channels exists. Oct 30 08:58:23 I'm there everyday, the channels there are #welcome, #general, #issues, #tips-tricks, #news, #help, #links, #improvement-pol and #linux. As far as I can see they are evenly frequented, except for #improvement-pol for which I'm not sure what's the topic there. Oct 30 08:59:12 I agree with the separate channel for Matrix Oct 30 08:59:51 maybe #general would match this room mostly Oct 30 09:00:00 I'll ask the admins there for this idea, and on Telegram too (sorry for the latter, I should have done it earlier) Oct 30 09:00:47 a problem would be that with a dedicated channel we won't see here what people are writing on the other channels on discord Oct 30 09:01:05 this would make the communication sort of one-way only Oct 30 09:01:40 I'm running several channels with tg+discord+irc bridges and response has been good. Oct 30 09:04:45 ok... I'll let you know Oct 30 09:06:48 and thanks for the offer as an admin, I'd be happy to have some help here, expecially during the weekends when I'm not here. cos I can make you an admin, flux please let me know if you're interested too Oct 30 09:07:35 oh and Sami Olmari is also someone i know in IRL Oct 30 09:09:10 > this would make the communication sort of one-way only Oct 30 09:09:10 Well, now it is zero-way in that regard Oct 30 09:11:39 While there can't be perfect bridging from various "many to one" things, if nothing else an "generic" or whatever called channel bridged would be just fine... assuming for example that discordians wanna keep their many channels separate still, which would make sense in high-traffic channels mostly Oct 30 09:12:06 not that there could be as many matrix rooms too should osmeone really want to, but same would go for telegram and irc too :D Oct 30 09:42:39 Sami Olmari: I agree Oct 30 10:19:22 cos: You are now an admin here Oct 30 10:19:37 thanks to devyl for the help Oct 30 10:19:58 thanks Oct 30 10:20:00 if anyone else here would like to be added, feel free to ask Oct 30 10:20:23 no problem :) Oct 30 11:40:58 varti: well... I can be for the sake of having more mods available in case of need, and generally dealing with spams (and maybe occasional bridging of channel oto), i don't expect to have much of real duties as-is =D Oct 30 11:41:32 oh hmm... tentative query I see (: Oct 30 11:41:51 Sami Olmari: indeed... cos has already promoted you :) Oct 30 11:42:37 there won't be much to do, other than having some redundancy if one or more of us aren't around when needed Oct 30 11:45:25 Is anyone in the telegram channel? we could build the bridge right away if it's ok for them Oct 30 11:47:18 cos: not until the very recent issue in synapse relating is fixed, or rollback of synapse.. fix already done, new release not (same issue than with the other channel we are trying to bridge as of exactly now) Oct 30 11:48:26 there's an issue? ok, maybe it can wait Oct 30 11:48:58 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/pull/8676 Oct 30 11:49:54 fresh issues for the fresh peolples =) Oct 30 12:33:40 discord has a main and a linux channels. all the rest are not important. I am also on telegram Oct 30 12:33:54 imho teegram and oesf are the main source of the info Oct 30 12:34:25 Sami Olmari: thanks for letting us know, better to wait then Oct 30 12:35:05 kaim: can you invite @hacklabbridgebot to tg channel, say /id and tell me the number it gives? Oct 30 12:35:54 i will try Oct 30 12:36:19 when synapse is udpated, we can fire up the bridge right away Oct 30 12:36:30 AFAIR the Telegram guys were planning to setup a bridge themselves towards IRC, I don't its current status Oct 30 12:36:55 >Telegrambridgebo< Hello, I'm a Telegram bridge bot. Use `!tg help` for help. Oct 30 12:37:21 varti: relaybot bridges are stupid, i suppose they just don't know or understand matrix Oct 30 12:37:50 I wrote to admin of the channel - will see. Oct 30 12:39:03 in any way, with bridging "through" matrix we get generally better bridging, where possible, and at the worst we get the relay-like behaviour where nothign else is applicable.. but to "all of the places" instead of "a network" Oct 30 12:52:21 ah crap. they are starting the routine like "we have to make a poll"... anyway Oct 30 12:52:51 "we instruct all the pollers to say yes" Oct 30 12:54:09 Tell em generally bridging just makes sense... or the other way, segregation of people for exactly same thing is supid :) Oct 30 12:55:05 (Conversation on telegram made me notice that I wasn't in here any more ;) ) Oct 30 12:55:56 (: Oct 30 12:56:30 I'll not be the one to bully bridging, but I still can adamantly recommend it =P Oct 30 13:00:42 note that they can read us now, since the logs of this channel are public Oct 30 13:01:25 I stand by what I said, publicly =P Oct 30 13:01:43 (anything other wouldn't make sense anyway) Oct 30 13:04:22 i made a poll.. let's see Oct 30 13:04:46 BTW I do not have the IRC client. so I have to use Matrix Oct 30 13:36:31 Would the telegram bridge be as seamless as a matrix bridge, i.e. you can see every user as if they're connected to channel? Or is it as with, uhm. slack, I think, where you just see the bot talking? Oct 30 13:37:42 TauPan: yes, users would be as proper ghost users, not a relay bot. Oct 30 13:37:58 On telegram side it will be relay, unless matrix user is also on said telegram channel with his/hers matrix Oct 30 13:38:04 all matrix bridges (including slack) does that Oct 30 13:38:57 Oh, right. I mostly care about the telegram side, as I'm not on matrix. Oct 30 13:39:02 On matrix (and thereafter irc and discord if bridged) all users will have proper puppet Oct 30 13:39:35 Even slack there would be ghost puppets through matrix slack beisge Oct 30 13:40:27 Mm.. I for one would be normal telegram user there too, as I do use telegram through mine matrix Oct 30 13:41:30 It appears the telegram admins are not awake so we can't have the poll pinned that kaim[m] made. Oct 30 13:41:41 That deficiency is because telegram does not allow bots nor any other means of generating puppet users that does not have real registered telegram user Oct 30 13:41:46 well, not right now. Oct 30 13:41:55 Ah, I see. Oct 30 13:43:48 Hence on exactly telegram side there will be relaybot behaviour.. unless indeed a matrix user also is on telegram through matrix, that case real user exists on telegram side too Oct 30 13:45:48 I don't know how many attempts were made to bridge the telegram chat. I hope this one works. :) Oct 30 13:48:10 On Hacklab Finland context it has veen used for some 2+ years now and generally no complaints, nor major hiccups (funny to say that as exactly now there is that mentioned issue that affects bridgings to be built Oct 30 13:49:33 Propably didn't catch because it does not affect existing bridgings Oct 30 18:03:08 Almost fixed.. root cause(s) seemed to be actually in shiny new telegram-bridge code, now almost fixed :) Oct 30 18:03:15 * olmari uploaded an image: image.png (20KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/hacklab.fi/UrvuVBBRlYThABfcxtCRYHGF/image.png > Oct 30 18:19:34 The poll is in progress (we pinned it finally). 10% has voted so far., Oct 30 19:10:37 Kinks ironed out from bridge code, in that regards we are golden, when wanted to fire up bridging :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 31 02:59:57 2020