**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 02:59:56 2020 Nov 17 12:41:53 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> Side note. Ive been maining the xperia xa2 Nov 17 12:41:59 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> Running sailfish x Nov 17 12:42:45 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> What a hell od an experience. when everything works, sailfish really is incredible, minus the software keyboArd Nov 17 12:49:05 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Not an issue on a cosmo Nov 17 12:51:00 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I only just managed to solve my issue of having access to PC every few hours every second day or so (ZeroTierOne is a great virtual network that works great both on sfos and over LTE CGNAT etc etc) Nov 17 12:51:19 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> so hopefully can troubleshoot why the current sources fail to build with no meaningful error Nov 17 12:51:50 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> if we can get 3.4 3.5 (or 4.0) with uptodate browser should be a reality Nov 17 12:53:05 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> maybe even rebuild on top of android kernel to get all sensors working Nov 17 12:53:33 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> plus BT etc Nov 17 13:00:40 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> idk, I feel like ubuntu being abandoned by parent company is a dead end (with XMir etc), PMOS has its own issue of only now working on rebionicing musl (they went with postmarket android, everyone just went glibc, why even bother with the musl mid step?), phosh/purism... well gtk Nov 17 13:02:16 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> even after all those issues none of the GUI paradigms is really well developed for mobile use (not that crucial on cosmo/gemini I agree, still works well with hardcoded inverted landscape, need an example of non-working app on sfos) Nov 17 13:03:51 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> if your app is a simple ListView (SilicaListView) then yeah, landscape is not ideal, but check out Neliapila, added gridview for landscape in one day of tinkering with it with non-working keyboard (had to copy-paste :"/ etc kek Nov 17 13:06:46 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> oh and ubports apparently do not allow free .qml files so you can tweak/fix your app on the go in their app store Nov 17 13:07:09 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> (or at least there is a new issue for quickddit that's been hanging for months now from a user that wanted to tweak some) Nov 17 13:07:25 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> REEEEE closed source Nov 17 13:37:02 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> Hi fellows. I was not following for a while. Am I right ModemManager and audio issues has being fixed on UBP? Nov 17 13:37:26 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> it seems that Bluetooth is the only main showstopper left? Nov 17 13:39:43 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> doesn't ubports have a page listing all issues on all ports like https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/porters ? Nov 17 13:40:18 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> cosmo is also missing as most of the work hasn't been upstreamed but it should eventually get there Nov 17 13:40:34 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> there's plenty of ubports testers here who could fill those columns tho Nov 17 13:40:34 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > doesn't ubports have a page listing all issues on all ports like https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/porters ? Nov 17 13:40:34 I never have hered anything for cosmo related build. Nov 17 13:40:53 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> yeah it was a secret for 8 months Nov 17 13:40:57 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > there's plenty of ubports testers here who could fill those columns tho Nov 17 13:40:57 sure, but only 1 dev Nov 17 13:41:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> beats me why, they wanted to unveil it on a huge parade, but then covid hit? Nov 17 13:41:20 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> your guess is as good as mine Nov 17 13:41:43 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> or maybe it was cancelled then as ubports had kernel updates since and sfos got knifed Nov 17 13:41:59 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> or maybe just hw issues, nobody knows Nov 17 13:43:02 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I'm tryng to resurrect this port as with a few tweaks it should results in a decently up to date port with no need of updates (then again, ubports seems to be based on linux kernel that disabled all sensors etc), we'll see Nov 17 13:43:40 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> basic port on sfos in theory should have all sensors working as is from the box Nov 17 13:43:40 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> or so the HADK says Nov 17 13:43:49 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > beats me why, they wanted to unveil it on a huge parade, but then covid hit? Nov 17 13:43:49 no, the idea with UBPorts was sole NotKit thing. He decided to give it a try and it then slowly get fixed. Initially only Android, Linux and SfOS was planned for cosmo. As SfOS got stacked and the only working was gemian and Android with lots of issues in gemian... Nov 17 13:44:43 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> yeah, but the issue is, SFOS should be much more easier to get running than UBports, so unless NotKit hates sfos, there would be really no reason to abandon it half way, even before hw keyboard fix Nov 17 13:45:20 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> like why spend 20x more time on ubport fixes if sfos fixes are well documented Nov 17 13:45:28 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> or maybe it's somethink mtk specific Nov 17 13:46:18 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> it's easier to ask him directly. I just tried to stress that cosmo ubp was a private initiative not really related to the original project. that is why cosmo is not listed anywhere on ubp related web. Nov 17 13:46:22 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> sailfishos-porters had answers what needed to be done for 3.4 ready right away, but again, I can't even get that baseport to compile, so no way to really progress Nov 17 13:46:51 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> he's the author of bsp, so we're stuck Nov 17 13:47:52 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I tried last time and even got the needed fixes for mountpoints, but the main build still fails for hybris Nov 17 13:47:53 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > he's the author of bsp, so we're stuck Nov 17 13:47:53 BSP?! No, it was initially from AEON - ODM of cosmo. No BSP exist on the web for our platform. Nov 17 13:48:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> it was initially from mtk-bsp Nov 17 13:48:16 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> he now provided non-working volla phone bsp Nov 17 13:48:23 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > it was initially from mtk-bsp Nov 17 13:48:24 then moded by Aeon Nov 17 13:48:24 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> mtk-bsp is still a secret Nov 17 13:48:32 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> and that's the only thing that works Nov 17 13:48:45 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> so we can huff and puff, but won't get a working stuff Nov 17 13:50:13 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> there is no working sfos image from volla base, and that's all we got Nov 17 13:50:15 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > so we can huff and puff, but won't get a working stuff Nov 17 13:50:15 we discussed that years ago. and are still at the same place. So if u are interested speak directly with him. I respect him for his work and what he is doing for the community. for free. so.. Nov 17 13:50:28 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> he can't Nov 17 13:50:33 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I talked with him many times Nov 17 13:50:37 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> MTK vs PLANET Nov 17 13:50:40 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > he can't Nov 17 13:50:40 share it? Nov 17 13:50:43 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> yes Nov 17 13:50:50 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> I know Nov 17 13:50:53 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> don't tell me to talk with him I talk with planet, send them hello@platen Nov 17 13:51:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> so yeah, we're fucked Nov 17 13:51:39 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I wish there was some way to package mtk-bsp so others can try their builds Nov 17 13:51:47 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> but you will always somehow uncover the code Nov 17 13:51:56 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> MTK > Aeon > Planet. so yes we are fucked. and it was clear about half a year ago, better - confirmed by me. Nov 17 13:52:14 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> with planet no longer paying him I see the issue Nov 17 13:52:20 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> no, half a year ago we didn't know he woul;dn't be on their payroll Nov 17 13:52:24 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> most of the ports work this way Nov 17 13:52:28 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > with planet no longer paying him I see the issue Nov 17 13:52:29 and sofos dev also moved away from planet Nov 17 13:52:41 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> one guy is on a payroll and covers the building binaries Nov 17 13:52:46 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> who was the sfos dev? Nov 17 13:53:05 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> I do not remember right now Nov 17 13:53:07 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> adam is still there afaik? Nov 17 13:53:16 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> it was on this channel Nov 17 13:53:20 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> it was adam/notkit and dguidi Nov 17 13:53:28 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> dguidi is still there, adam probably too Nov 17 13:54:00 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > dguidi is still there, adam probably too Nov 17 13:54:00 one of them switched to other tasks and that why sfos sources got oppened. Nov 17 13:54:11 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> look for the news on google Nov 17 13:54:30 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> notkit is no longer with the Nov 17 13:54:34 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> that's it Nov 17 13:54:41 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> no, it was later Nov 17 13:54:43 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> sfos on cosmo is ded Nov 17 13:54:54 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> he was the guy who was doing the porting Nov 17 13:55:03 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> neither adam nor davide will do it Nov 17 13:55:06 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> I have my cosmo for Nov 17 13:55:06 about half-year and NotKit was already out of Plannet Nov 17 13:55:14 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> ???? Nov 17 13:55:20 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> NotKit just left Nov 17 13:55:29 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> or maybe you have 8 months news better Nov 17 13:55:40 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> as we only learned about it and got 8 month old kit Nov 17 13:56:10 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> still, either they release a working source or they fucked their userbase Nov 17 13:56:45 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> can''t keep your closed sources cloe to your heart and complain: we would have SFOS but we need open source community to act Nov 17 13:57:14 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> there is just nothing to act upon, what they released just doesn't build Nov 17 13:57:17 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> he personally messaged me that his task was to make gemian and he was not really in the Planet but as a side engineer. So after some time and finishing the task his contract expired. Nov 17 13:57:36 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > still, either they release a working source or they fucked their userbase Nov 17 13:57:36 they did Nov 17 13:57:39 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> but they don't even know what they are doing? sfos doesn't need gemian kernel Nov 17 13:57:47 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> that's why all sensors are fucked up Nov 17 13:57:58 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> sfos uses android kernel and works great with sensors Nov 17 13:58:01 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> I am not a dev, I repeat Nov 17 13:58:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> they fucked everything up from the start Nov 17 13:58:45 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> if you have a way to contact them to drop some way the souces they have pls do Nov 17 13:58:53 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> I can here you and I agree it looks overcomplicated, but I can't judge them as I do not know the internals that wall Nov 17 13:58:59 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> * I can here you and I agree it looks overcomplicated, but I can't judge them as I do not know the internals that well Nov 17 13:59:07 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> do you have any contact with them? Nov 17 13:59:15 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> can you ask them to just release what they worked on/? Nov 17 13:59:31 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> otherwise they cannot really ask open source community if they release non-working source Nov 17 13:59:35 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > do you have any contact with them? Nov 17 13:59:35 yes, they opened sfos. and what was done by notkit Nov 17 13:59:51 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> wait a sec Nov 17 13:59:51 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> non-working Nov 17 14:00:16 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> if they actually released what 3.2.1 was released/based on I could've compiled my hald-sources by now Nov 17 14:00:28 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> what they released is... something that looks like it, but doesn't build Nov 17 14:05:07 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> idk, it just feels weird asking a company to work for them for free, and there are still issues, what hours will you spend on it, who will you report to... Nov 17 14:05:20 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> guys just give aus a chance to do anything\ Nov 17 14:06:06 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> sfos guys never ask for moneys, they do it becausxe they like the platform Nov 17 14:06:39 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> but hell no, one guy had access to it, it's now forbidden Nov 17 14:06:46 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> fucking absurd Nov 17 14:09:22 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> (oh and btw not talking about myself, just drop into #sailfishos-porters and just ask, there are people who will do it for free) Nov 17 14:09:40 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> much more expericened than me Nov 17 14:14:25 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> sorry, but reading this chat, it is full of theories now. If you needed access to Planet BSP, they could probably provide it under NDA, I'm not the single developer to have it in history Nov 17 14:14:46 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> how? Nov 17 14:15:03 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I just need something that build hybris Nov 17 14:15:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> -hal and kernel Nov 17 14:15:24 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I can send them my ID Nov 17 14:15:47 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I just want my sfos to work Nov 17 14:16:16 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I can even send them thingie that I voted Biden Nov 17 14:17:03 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Com'n man Nov 17 14:18:13 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> @NotKit any chance you could build your own build env as a CI? Nov 17 14:18:33 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> just so peo[ple can tweak their defconfigs? Nov 17 14:18:59 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> wouldn't even touch them in prinsciple? Nov 17 14:19:33 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> it's all 5 chroots deep anyway from platformm sdk to ubuchroot Nov 17 14:21:11 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> there's literally nothing you can do, except: accept this Nov 17 14:21:15 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> this is the way of the west Nov 17 14:21:20 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> I think the issue is setting this environment as opposed to getting to compile with LineageOS Nov 17 14:21:31 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> ?? Nov 17 14:21:46 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> You weren't setting it up in ubuchroot? Nov 17 14:22:06 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> I mean CI Nov 17 14:22:17 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> that will break 1/4 of the HADK, but cool Nov 17 14:22:23 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> at least somewhere to tr Nov 17 14:22:26 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> y Nov 17 14:22:30 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> ??? Nov 17 14:22:44 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Wait what? CI Nov 17 14:22:45 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> > @NotKit any chance you could build your own build env as a CI? Nov 17 14:22:45 ^ Nov 17 14:22:52 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> sorry, we're talking about different things now Nov 17 14:23:01 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> @NotKit I remember there was a news that Planet's developer of SFOS port has being assigned with the new task and theta Planet released SFOS code they had on github.... But I can:t find it right away. Nov 17 14:23:05 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> So it was within ubuchroot Nov 17 14:23:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> cool Nov 17 14:23:36 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> * @NotKit I remember there was a news that Planet's developer of SFOS port has being assigned with the new task and that Planet released SFOS code they had on github.... But I can:t find it right away. Nov 17 14:25:06 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> idk how to use telegram desktop, I click on your message o way to reply: here is reply:: how do we get it to compile further? Nov 17 14:25:39 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> telegram desktop is really shit Nov 17 14:26:24 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > idk how to use telegram desktop, I click on your message o way to reply: here is reply:: how do we get it to compile further? Nov 17 14:26:24 click near the message and tick it with V. Then hit reply and here you go? Nov 17 14:27:13 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> no, are you using fedora desktop? I can only get a huge menu when I click your head, no option to reply there Nov 17 14:27:47 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> add to contacts, send message yeah Nov 17 14:27:51 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> but nothing about replyinh Nov 17 14:27:57 <@bhyoramm:matrix.org> thanks for the discussion. it really makes it clear why I will not buy a device with non-free OS(s) ever again. geminipda was the last one Nov 17 14:27:58 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> oh wait there is a tiny top right corner option: reply Nov 17 14:28:05 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> > <@bhyoramm:matrix.org> thanks for the discussion. it really makes it clear why I will not buy a device with non-free OS(s) ever again. geminipda was the last one Nov 17 14:28:05 test Nov 17 14:28:09 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> YAY Nov 17 14:28:14 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> found it Nov 17 14:29:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> > ^ Nov 17 14:29:09 Can you plaese provide a wasy to compile hybris-hal on sfos? Will never even bother you again for the end of the universe Nov 17 14:29:23 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> I don't understand why do you have truncated output in ubuntu chroot Nov 17 14:30:11 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> > I don't understand why do you have truncated output in ubuntu chroot Nov 17 14:30:12 I've no idea, but I followed the HADK to the letter then attached some patches from X and then it just fails with no meaningful error Nov 17 14:30:44 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> If there is some secret source of error-logs let me know Nov 17 14:30:45 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> I would love to share them Nov 17 14:30:45 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> it just fails Nov 17 14:30:50 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> make hybris-hal > output.log 2>&1 Nov 17 14:30:58 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> one sec Nov 17 14:31:00 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> * make -j8 hybris-hal > output.log 2>&1 Nov 17 14:34:00 * ArcusBot[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JcCtPLjHxjnwHnEigsuwzyjW/message.txt > Nov 17 14:34:08 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> nothing? Nov 17 14:35:27 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> yeah, litersally nothing Nov 17 14:36:31 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> yes, but is there anything inside output.log? Nov 17 14:37:15 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> are we heading towards who is more angry? Nov 17 14:37:30 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> how do we output the log? Nov 17 14:37:57 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> @NotKit can you tell us how to check the log? Nov 17 14:38:04 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> there should be output.log in hadk folder Nov 17 14:38:13 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> ok one sec Nov 17 14:51:42 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> make -j8 hybris-hal > output.log 2>&1 Nov 17 14:55:02 <@cos:hacklab.fi> Looks like screenshot key makes broken screenshots in portrait mode (left side black, image squeezed to right side). Any known workarounds for that? Nov 17 14:56:42 <@TauPan:matrix.org> I even have an app (tapatalk) that looks like that in portrait mode. :) Nov 17 14:56:56 <@TauPan:matrix.org> (No workarounds that I've heard of.) Nov 17 15:05:15 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > <@cos:hacklab.fi> Looks like screenshot key makes broken screenshots in portrait mode (left side black, image squeezed to right side). Any known workarounds for that? Nov 17 15:05:15 yes, and there is nothing we can do as @TauPan mentioned. it has IMHO something to do with the way screen is interpreted by the SoC Nov 17 15:18:46 <@_telegram_888165589:hacklab.fi> i also get that on Android on my Cosmo. Nov 17 15:20:03 <@_telegram_142134413:hacklab.fi> In theory you could write a low-level app to fix this, but I think it’d be not simple. Nov 17 15:20:49 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > In theory you could write a low-level app to fix this, but I think it’d be not simple. Nov 17 15:20:50 I am not a developer (( Nov 17 15:20:55 <@cos:hacklab.fi> Not very serious issue, I'd just like to get portrait screenshots of some apps. Normally I always use landscape. Nov 17 16:06:03 <@TauPan:matrix.org> Use the front camera and a mirror g /jk Nov 17 16:09:56 <@cos:hacklab.fi> :-) Nov 17 16:59:52 cos: on "alt" -> planet menu there is force portrait Nov 17 17:00:12 oh.. I did not look backlog enoug... Nov 17 17:01:24 ..Indeed it is the case... not well behaving screenshots using fore rotation feat =) Nov 17 18:50:44 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> @NotKit: ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 18 03:02:03 2020