**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 12 02:59:58 2008 Nov 12 03:17:48 * flyback wanders off to work for 5 mins to restart something, bbl Nov 12 08:41:23 hola Nov 12 08:41:24 chikos Nov 12 09:53:56 Marex, as for t3 - can't say it is tested while there's no solution to mfp problem yet, so I implement another approach as suggested by Russell. Nov 12 09:54:24 Marex, this damn thing might require some more changes, too. Nov 12 10:00:26 slapin: you should fix the issue with two GPIOs needed to power up usb circuitry on certain palms first Nov 12 10:00:51 they seem to have problems understanding that there really is buggy hardware like that Nov 12 10:02:19 Marex, was 27xotg stuff approved/mainlined? Nov 12 10:02:43 not yet iirc Nov 12 10:05:19 Marex, then, as I see, mainline pxa27x does not have udc support at all Nov 12 10:05:23 damn Nov 12 10:06:29 so this is a thing to ask ARM and USB people. Nov 12 10:06:58 slapin: it does have usb support Nov 12 10:07:17 but through the old pxa27x_udc ... which they refuse to fix Nov 12 10:08:06 Marex, I said about UDC, host support works perfectly here on a mainstone. Nov 12 10:08:27 Marex, and UDC does not Nov 12 10:11:43 I was talking about udc Nov 12 10:17:07 slapin: it does have usb support Nov 12 10:19:27 and ... what ? Nov 12 11:36:37 slapin: what? Nov 12 11:36:48 UDC works fine with g_ether Nov 12 11:37:02 or did they remove something since 2.6.27 ? Nov 12 11:48:31 Hi folks, does anyone know if there has been any effort porting Linux to the Treo 500? Nov 12 11:51:25 hi Nov 12 11:51:29 none as far as I know Nov 12 11:52:43 ah Nov 12 11:52:46 that's a windows mobile one? Nov 12 11:52:50 yeah Nov 12 11:52:59 mobile 6 Nov 12 11:53:45 alasdair: try the #htc-linux guys Nov 12 11:53:55 we don't have any experience porting to windows mobile devices Nov 12 11:54:12 will do, thanks for your help BobOfDoom Nov 12 11:54:17 no worries Nov 12 11:54:28 also, google "haret" Nov 12 11:54:35 that's their bootloader and reverse engineering tool Nov 12 11:54:48 I've never used it, but I think it's similar in principle to cocoboot Nov 12 11:55:43 ah yeah, I've fiddled with haret a bit on my htc universal Nov 12 11:56:21 but that's pretty solidly supported now, so I didn't dig very deep in to it Nov 12 11:57:11 cool, well its a new phone (not even recieved it yet :P) so I *might* leave hacking it till its a few months old and hate it Nov 12 12:20:17 BobOfDoom, depends on how you configure GPIOs for pull-up. It is unable to control them - look into that, compare to pxa25x_udc. Nov 12 12:33:23 gm :b Nov 12 13:33:20 hey miska your packages are gone Nov 12 13:33:32 while they were still up i again couldnt get vanilla to work Nov 12 13:57:34 anybody knows of some non-pci video chip supporting OpenGL(ES is ok)? Nov 12 13:58:01 or some documented 3D acceleration? and can output to LCD? Nov 12 14:03:59 * Sleep_Walker has now Internet for 6 month for free Nov 12 14:04:28 I have to make it working on my Treo680 :) Nov 12 14:05:15 (in linux of course) Nov 12 14:05:18 exactly Nov 12 14:05:25 i got internet for 9 euros Nov 12 14:05:31 make it work in linux weeeh Nov 12 14:05:33 :D Nov 12 14:05:37 and suspend and all that :D Nov 12 14:05:51 msd2000: which model do you have? Nov 12 14:05:58 680 Nov 12 14:06:05 I see :D Nov 12 14:06:10 i only tried linux on my TX though Nov 12 14:06:45 which i should think should prioritize to some key elements, suchs as suspend such as easy working Bluetooth and all :D Nov 12 14:06:58 I'm playing with that so maybe this month Nov 12 14:06:59 instead of external mass storage devices :D Nov 12 14:07:12 my wish for 2008 Nov 12 14:07:21 TX with suspend and easy bluetooth and sound management Nov 12 14:07:24 wifi can wait :D Nov 12 14:07:34 ill connect it to my 680 for data ;) Nov 12 14:07:36 msd2000: Treo680 needs suspend deadly Nov 12 14:08:28 well, on the other hand - it will be needed much less with that Internet :D Nov 12 14:08:30 i love ur guys work on all this, but sometimes it seems like 4-5 unguided projectiles :D Nov 12 14:08:58 msd2000: do you have some ideas how to improove it? Nov 12 14:09:00 why cannot you all 4-5 focus on tackeling issues one by one? Nov 12 14:09:15 msd2000: cause we have fun! Nov 12 14:09:21 I know Nov 12 14:09:32 I cannot really be disappointed of course Nov 12 14:09:35 as a simple end user Nov 12 14:09:42 with no coding knowledge at all Nov 12 14:09:52 but I know you guys are working on this for already 2 years Nov 12 14:10:08 well, I work on Treo680 for a month Nov 12 14:10:14 and new surprising things keep on popping up Nov 12 14:10:15 maybe month and half Nov 12 14:10:18 I know Nov 12 14:10:25 I meant T3/TX in general Nov 12 14:10:31 hmmm Nov 12 14:10:39 T3 is in weird state Nov 12 14:11:03 but I hope the biggest problem will be solved with slapin's work Nov 12 14:11:20 make working suspend/resume without need to patch small ROM Nov 12 14:11:51 (if it possible somehow Nov 12 14:11:52 ) Nov 12 14:12:41 there is also not clean and working well SD/MMC driver :( Nov 12 14:12:58 I think Suspend and Bluetooth should be fixed, that way a lot of people can use it daily basis! Nov 12 14:13:12 bluetooth works Nov 12 14:13:18 it's only not released :D Nov 12 14:14:16 well suspend is also key even more important :) Nov 12 14:14:37 Than OPIE should start looking either like oldschool PALM or Iphone GUI :D Nov 12 14:14:49 Opie is all so small on a TX Nov 12 14:14:57 if i double icon sizes they look pixelated Nov 12 14:15:00 msd2000: OPIE is configurable Nov 12 14:15:00 Grrrr Nov 12 14:15:18 there is checkbox 'Use big icons' :D Nov 12 14:15:30 don't be too lazy! Nov 12 14:15:31 I know but try small icons 32x32 and big icons 64x64 Nov 12 14:15:49 youll see how ugly some icons get! (pixelated) Nov 12 14:16:08 I played around with opie, and I love all posibilities Nov 12 14:16:21 but the future is in easy touchscreen based interfaces Nov 12 14:16:25 big fat icons Nov 12 14:16:32 stylesless control! Nov 12 14:16:49 msd2000: baybe you should try OPIE II Nov 12 14:17:43 ill ask miska to build it for me the package hahaha Nov 12 14:17:55 OPIE II isnt that top-secret? Nov 12 14:17:55 :D Nov 12 14:18:34 msd2000: I'll ask miska for the same :) Nov 12 14:18:43 OPIE II? what is it? Nov 12 14:18:50 Qtopia4 based Nov 12 14:18:54 * slapin feels retarded Nov 12 14:19:15 Sleep_Walker, and what was original Opie based on? Nov 12 14:19:16 the last step would be standalone TX i got a flah memory based one! weeh Nov 12 14:19:28 slapin: Qtopia (QT2 based) Nov 12 14:19:35 OPIE II is Qt4 based Nov 12 14:20:00 so qtopia is something smaller than opie? Nov 12 14:20:06 i once saw the OPIE II website never found it again Nov 12 14:21:36 anyway good to hear you more or less have same priorities Nov 12 14:22:04 slapin: I don't know, I have never seen qtopia sources and never compared Nov 12 14:22:51 Sleep_Walker, so you actually meant QT4, not Qtopia4, right? Nov 12 14:23:25 Opie II is a fork based on Qtopia® 4.2 Open Source Edition Nov 12 14:23:30 (http://opie.home.linuxtogo.org/) Nov 12 14:24:24 Opie has greatly extended and improved usability of Qtopia to become the most sophisticated free and open graphical user interface for Linux based embedded devices and PDAs. Nov 12 14:24:30 (http://opie.handhelds.org/overview.php) Nov 12 14:26:17 the bigger the buttons the better Nov 12 14:26:21 :D Nov 12 14:26:37 less is more :D Nov 12 14:26:57 less is more than more Nov 12 14:28:43 * slapin is totally confused Nov 12 14:28:58 slapin: how so? Nov 12 14:29:09 I hope it will be clear after that I wrote Nov 12 14:29:28 * slapin feels better wit standard X11+matchbox environment Nov 12 14:29:43 s/wit/with Nov 12 14:30:16 anybody tried to run that on 32Mb device? Nov 12 14:30:30 * Sleep_Walker doesn't have 32Mb device :) Nov 12 14:30:50 Sleep_Walker, I mean RAM of device Nov 12 14:31:04 I know Nov 12 14:31:26 * Sleep_Walker has T3 with 64Mb, Treo680 with 64Mb, TT with 16Mb Nov 12 14:31:43 oh, wait, I've got newly that crippled Treo650 Nov 12 14:31:54 Sleep_Walker, wow Nov 12 14:32:09 Sleep_Walker, how TT lives? any slowdowns? Nov 12 14:32:09 slapin: it has broken keyboard and MUC Nov 12 14:32:24 I use TT for reading books only Nov 12 14:35:42 i haVe a t3 too dead battery, maybe ill build it into my car one day when it will run linuxxx Nov 12 14:36:17 Sleep_Walker, does Linux run on TT? Nov 12 14:36:20 with a dead battery that is! Nov 12 14:44:31 slapin: Marex tried that Nov 12 14:44:43 but 1] there was only MMC support (not SD) Nov 12 14:44:53 2] 16 megs was really low Nov 12 14:44:58 3] I don't know Nov 12 14:45:49 Sleep_Walker, so, it runs or not? Nov 12 14:46:08 ask Marex Nov 12 14:46:12 it boots Nov 12 14:46:18 it shows framebuffer Nov 12 14:46:38 Sleep_Walker, then it runs, that's great. Nov 12 15:20:42 * |miska| is back Nov 12 15:33:53 hey miska, will you put up the packages again? Nov 12 15:33:59 maybe a OPIE II Package? Nov 12 15:34:22 <|miska|> which packages? Nov 12 15:34:41 <|miska|> Do you know where to get Opie II? Nov 12 15:34:48 <|miska|> Vanilla kernel? Nov 12 15:37:30 |miska|: Opie II is not in OE? Nov 12 15:37:51 |miska|: if not, Qtopia 4 would be also fine for try Nov 12 15:39:48 <|miska|> Opie II isn't anywhere (I only found some screenshots and some todo list) and Qtopia 4 was broken in OE last time I checked... Nov 12 15:40:15 |miska|: was it before your OE GIT migration? Nov 12 15:40:33 <|miska|> Before and after that as well Nov 12 15:40:53 <|miska|> I'll try it again, we will see if anybody fixed it :-T Nov 12 15:41:38 I'll check OE-commit ML Nov 12 15:42:28 there are only some separating commits Nov 12 15:42:36 [oe-commits] Holger Hans Peter Freyther : asu: Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image ( to ease removing Qtopia from it) Create a separate task-openmoko-asu and openmoko-asu-image. The image is installing task-openmoko-asu and task-openmoko-qtopia-x11. It should be fairly easy to remove Qtopia for the people that want that. Nov 12 15:42:45 [oe-commits] Koen Kooi : Revert "[asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image ( to ease removing Qtopia from it)" Nov 12 15:42:53 [oe-commits] Holger Hans Peter Freyther : [asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image ( to ease removing Qtopia from it) Nov 12 15:43:00 others are older Nov 12 15:43:12 <|miska|> Everybody is getting rid of Qtopia :-D Nov 12 15:44:12 <|miska|> I hope I'll will have some time this evening to play with USB Nov 12 15:44:43 I can understand your interest :b Nov 12 15:46:46 * Sleep_Walker tries another PWM backlight patch Nov 12 15:50:13 there is problem with setting PWMDCRx[FD] Nov 12 15:50:43 it set also output to high Nov 12 15:51:42 it makes sense for not negated output Nov 12 15:52:53 I'll think it over, but I think PWM code will need modify too :( Nov 12 16:29:10 miska if i go to your test page, most packages are gone :( Nov 12 16:29:18 small and large versions etc Nov 12 16:32:54 <|miska|> Oh, I'll reupload them then Nov 12 16:33:27 never got vanilla to work as well Nov 12 16:33:35 oh well ill wait for new packages Nov 12 16:33:49 sleep told me there has been progress on suspend issue Nov 12 16:34:02 I would love to see suspend and BT fixed before 1-1-2009 :D Nov 12 16:34:07 gotta go home now Nov 12 16:34:13 ill keep an eye on the project : Nov 12 16:34:14 :D Nov 12 16:34:30 <|miska|> It's worknig in hackndevO.o Nov 12 16:38:32 * slapin hates users setting deadlines Nov 12 16:38:46 * slapin hates deadlines, too Nov 12 16:39:00 too bad YYH comes to end :( Nov 12 16:41:17 <|miska|> Well, if he set up a deadline, I'll certainly wouldn't keep it :-T Nov 12 16:43:15 <|miska|> Well, but it's quite hard, cause he asked for things which are already working somehow in old kernel, so I'll just have to keep him confused :-B Nov 12 17:59:02 <|miska|> _Oblique_: Hi, this is the right channel to ask about palms ;-) Nov 12 17:59:15 <_Oblique_> |miska|: thank you :) Nov 12 17:59:19 <|miska|> np Nov 12 18:00:22 <_Oblique_> hi everyone, I was wondering how things are going with Palm TX WiFi? Will there be a driver available in the forseeable future? Thanks :) Nov 12 18:00:47 <|miska|> My current plans for TX are playing with USB Nov 12 18:01:28 <|miska|> There is some kind of driver for TX WiFi, but as I already said, it far from perfect Nov 12 18:02:08 <_Oblique_> |miska|: yes, is there a development version anyway that is downloadable to try? Nov 12 18:02:46 <|miska|> There was, I accidentally deleted it, I'll reupload some version Nov 12 18:02:56 <_Oblique_> |miska|: I was thinking that in the meantime I could try and get an internet connection through the bluetooth on my desktop machine. Some people seem to have had success with that Nov 12 18:03:04 <_Oblique_> |miska|: thank you :) Nov 12 18:03:27 <|miska|> BT should work with hackndev kernel Nov 12 18:04:42 <|miska|> Well, I'll reaupload it lately in the evening, I'm currently playing with kernel, so I'll upload something little bit more stable Nov 12 18:06:37 <_Oblique_> |miska|: yeah bluetooth is working. Is it capable of recieving internet connection through a bluetooth dongle on a desktop machine though? Nov 12 18:07:30 <|miska|> Should be, although I never tried it, but I think others did... Nov 12 19:34:47 marex: could you review last commit to our linux-2.6, please? Nov 12 19:40:39 Sleep_Walker, send me a link Nov 12 19:40:55 marex: http://git.hackndev.com/?p=linux-2.6;a=commit;h=f40c16e736434d3bfb32edde78c9eda1e84f77df Nov 12 19:42:35 marex: there is difference in setting clock now and clock is now disabled also for max value Nov 12 19:44:28 before this patch there was mixed meaning of brightness value Nov 12 19:47:14 Sleep_Walker, why do you disable the clock when brightness is at maximum value ? Nov 12 19:47:36 because it is still on, no varying is needed Nov 12 19:48:39 Sleep_Walker, what do you mean ? Nov 12 19:48:43 are you guys working on treo500 (wm6), there is someone in htc-linux asking about it? Nov 12 19:48:53 I havent checked the pwm docs ... Nov 12 19:49:46 this will be better said in Czech, sorry guys Nov 12 19:50:03 PWM generuje signal, ktery se meni v case mezi 1 a 0 Nov 12 19:50:33 vsechno se nastavuje tak, ze 1 je urcitou cast cyklu a tim se meni jas Nov 12 19:50:44 pak maximalni jas je jednoduse stale zapnuto Nov 12 19:50:51 minimalni jas je stale vypnuto Nov 12 19:50:53 pulse width modulation ;) Nov 12 19:50:57 right Nov 12 19:51:10 so I need no clock for that Nov 12 19:51:11 you dont have to explain it ... Nov 12 19:51:33 the only thing Im not sure about is whether set to maximum, the clock are constantly 1 Nov 12 19:51:42 s/are/pin/ Nov 12 19:51:58 it is even done in different way Nov 12 19:52:25 by setting PWMDCR_FD with the same effect Nov 12 19:52:32 dunno ... maybe Nov 12 19:52:33 but this works only for not negated signal Nov 12 19:52:52 all that values in pwm_bl are just virtual :b Nov 12 19:53:05 that is the most funny thing I found about that Nov 12 19:53:42 marex: gotta go home now, bbl, I'm looking forward to your comments Nov 12 21:13:57 back Nov 12 21:14:48 marex: so, do you have any other comments? Nov 13 01:12:40 * flyback bbl Nov 13 02:20:34 * flyback will get married and laid before this p75 gets thru memtest86ing 96 meg of 16mhz fpm Nov 13 02:28:07 why wait to get married ;-) Nov 13 02:29:25 cause I am doing this right Nov 13 02:29:41 my life has been so shitty I might as well have one fucking thing that is normal **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 13 02:59:57 2008