**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 13 02:59:57 2008 Nov 13 03:31:36 rwhitby: why get married so soon? :) Nov 13 03:32:19 raster: I meant "why wait until after you're married" Nov 13 03:33:26 aaaah Nov 13 03:33:27 :) Nov 13 03:33:38 hey quick q Nov 13 03:33:46 is a "jigger" a standard thing Nov 13 03:33:48 it rings a bell Nov 13 03:34:32 you mean the thing you use to measure alcohol? Nov 13 03:35:36 http://barsupplies.com/images/jigger.jpg ? Nov 13 03:37:07 no no Nov 13 03:37:20 thing that does jtag reflash goop and breaks out serial ports har-dwired to a usb port Nov 13 03:37:28 (ie not usbtty serial) Nov 13 03:38:03 raster Nov 13 03:38:10 palm usb host mode.... Nov 13 03:38:11 OWNS Nov 13 03:38:12 YOUR Nov 13 03:38:14 "CANUCK" Nov 13 03:38:38 flyback: ummmmmm ok Nov 13 03:38:43 not what i'm after.... Nov 13 03:38:52 i'm after if i need to get a custom jigger made Nov 13 03:38:55 no I am just saying it's awesome Nov 13 03:39:06 or i can just find a standard one to do some new-hw-hacking Nov 13 03:39:09 jigger? Nov 13 03:39:12 do you mean wiggler? Nov 13 03:39:26 i have seen linux in action on a really really really nice 3g phone with a qwerty kbd Nov 13 03:39:37 raster: which one? Nov 13 03:39:41 efl is SMOOOOTH Nov 13 03:39:48 rwhitby: thats the sucky bit Nov 13 03:39:52 i'm all nda'd up now Nov 13 03:40:08 ah, cool. can you say a general timeframe? Nov 13 03:40:14 oh Nov 13 03:40:18 its an already released pr5oduct Nov 13 03:40:28 r&d is now moving linux onto it instead of winmob Nov 13 03:40:33 cool. Nov 13 03:40:34 they first used gtk Nov 13 03:40:37 no wait Nov 13 03:40:41 first directfb+gtk Nov 13 03:40:47 and it was way too slow Nov 13 03:40:51 then x+gtk Nov 13 03:40:55 also ghastly slow Nov 13 03:41:00 BTW, on a completely unrelated topic, which winmob 3g phone would you recommend for someone to buy if they wanted a qwerty kbd? Nov 13 03:41:04 then they took a leap of faith and tried efl Nov 13 03:41:08 and now they are in love Nov 13 03:41:20 hmm Nov 13 03:41:27 3g winmob phone with qwerty Nov 13 03:41:54 yeah, one from a manufacturer that could be linux-friendly in the future ... ;-) Nov 13 03:42:09 dunno Nov 13 03:42:13 well i was looking around Nov 13 03:42:20 i saw a nice one Nov 13 03:42:22 ummmm Nov 13 03:42:32 http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=mobilephone&type=mobilephone&subtype=smartphone&model_cd=SGH-I780ZKAOPS Nov 13 03:42:42 its a lot thinner than my treo Nov 13 03:43:03 that one looks better than a treo too Nov 13 03:43:13 yeah Nov 13 03:43:29 but i don't know anything about that beyond its got a kbd and runs winmo Nov 13 03:43:53 and is 3g, has wifi, cameras(2) and takes micro-sd... Nov 13 03:43:58 hmm only triband and single 3g band :-( Nov 13 03:44:00 seems like a nice workhorse. Nov 13 03:44:09 aaaah well Nov 13 03:44:14 you can't win them all Nov 13 03:44:15 :) Nov 13 03:45:17 well - i suspect i'll be busy for quite a while with my newly found linux+e using friends Nov 13 03:45:35 shame that i can't talk about it Nov 13 03:45:37 :( Nov 13 03:45:47 (well once it is public.. i guess i can) Nov 13 03:46:00 * mwester wanders off, feeling rejected and left behind by raster... Nov 13 03:46:03 :p Nov 13 03:46:44 Got time to point me to your latest treo 650 image? I need to show off linux on the treo in a couple days... Nov 13 03:47:07 ooh umm... Nov 13 03:47:11 errr Nov 13 03:47:17 let me brew one for u Nov 13 03:47:19 hmmmmm...... Nov 13 03:47:28 i assume u dont want all the python goop - right? Nov 13 03:47:45 (put it this way.. frameworkd is a no-go- on treo650. uses way too much ram) Nov 13 03:47:52 No rush, I have until Saturday, and I can get away with the old one with the little dinosaur on it I expect. Nov 13 03:48:09 No, no python is necessary, just a window system. Nov 13 03:48:12 of sorts. Nov 13 03:48:21 cool Nov 13 03:48:41 Basically I need to show a PalmOS fan what a multitasking system is about. Nov 13 03:49:03 god no Nov 13 03:49:06 run 2 things at once Nov 13 03:49:10 someone's head will pop Nov 13 03:49:19 hehe! Nov 13 03:49:53 Yeah, apparently its "Not Possible" on 32 MB of ram. Nov 13 03:50:29 :) Nov 13 03:50:51 BTW, he mentioned that the iPhone also is a "single app at a time" OS -- is that really true? Nov 13 03:50:59 mwester: building Nov 13 03:51:12 mwester: tyhe os is capable of multiple processes Nov 13 03:51:25 the ui is 1 thing at a time... baby! Nov 13 03:51:31 whihc is what sean wanted for openmoko Nov 13 03:51:40 until i beat him with a large stick Nov 13 03:52:15 I guess the discussion we had was the PalmOS model where an app has to save its state -- the iPhone requires that as well? Nov 13 03:52:42 i guess Nov 13 03:52:46 imho its a cool thing Nov 13 03:52:51 but shouldnt be manadory Nov 13 03:52:55 Whereas with a true multitasking env, it would not be strictly required, as an app can lose focus and still run. Nov 13 03:53:05 yup Nov 13 03:53:10 tho it consumes ram/cpu resources Nov 13 03:53:13 while not active Nov 13 03:53:30 Yes, so there is a practicallity aspect. Nov 13 03:53:30 imho it'd be nice to optionally SIGSTOP background procs Nov 13 03:53:37 AND force them to swap to a swap-file Nov 13 03:53:44 as an "option" Nov 13 03:53:52 some apps may add a hint Nov 13 03:54:01 rather like a "hibernate" on a per-process basis Nov 13 03:54:06 "if NOT focused PLEASE keep me alive" Nov 13 03:54:07 if they dont Nov 13 03:54:14 interesting idea. Nov 13 03:54:18 they are sigstop'd and forced to a swapfile Nov 13 03:54:22 yupo Nov 13 03:54:27 wm can do this nicely and seamlessly Nov 13 03:54:32 good for hoggy-apps Nov 13 03:54:38 assuem apps are hoggy Nov 13 03:54:52 unless they are flagged with "i'm a good wel behaved app and i'll keep my resource usage at a minimum" Nov 13 03:55:11 or for some reason the app NEEDS to maintain a runnign state Nov 13 03:55:14 eg an irc client Nov 13 03:55:21 as it'd lose its connection if it didnt Nov 13 03:55:30 terminal as well would need to remain Nov 13 03:56:07 any dev that can program iopcifamily.kext? Nov 13 04:03:06 anyone alive? Nov 13 04:03:19 a newer hackndev kernel than 2.6.21? Nov 13 04:03:39 im looking for the wifi support, but even though i downloaded from miska's testing page... i still ket kernel 2.6.21 Nov 13 04:32:27 anyone alive? Nov 13 04:33:57 http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/605172/asrock-instant-boot-loads-windows-in-four-seconds.html <--- OH NO! SUPER GIANT ROBOT, I CHOOSE YOU! Nov 13 04:38:34 mwester: i posess a new palm image.... Nov 13 04:42:59 hrm Nov 13 04:43:11 anyone know where i can find the kernel for the TX that has the libertas driver in it? Nov 13 04:43:24 i can only seem to find 2.6.21 Nov 13 04:43:58 mwester: i'll upload it tomorrow or sumfin' Nov 13 04:44:15 np Nov 13 04:44:20 aaah Nov 13 04:44:20 Thanks! Nov 13 04:45:06 which palm image? Nov 13 04:45:14 i'll put it up now Nov 13 04:45:19 u're here Nov 13 04:45:20 :) Nov 13 04:49:12 mwester: uploadin' Nov 13 05:00:57 blah Nov 13 05:05:43 mwester: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Treo-650/2008-11-13/ Nov 13 05:05:46 boom Nov 13 05:05:51 Thanks! Nov 13 05:06:06 have funsicles Nov 13 05:06:07 :) Nov 13 05:09:01 does openmoko have wifi support for the TX? Nov 13 05:09:08 er from whichever kernel it uses Nov 13 05:09:29 no ideah Nov 13 05:09:56 k Nov 13 05:10:01 anyone seen miskas? Nov 13 05:10:04 !last miskas Nov 13 05:11:10 hey_joe: |miska| is in the channel Nov 13 05:11:27 doh Nov 13 05:11:27 but probably asleep or something Nov 13 05:11:39 is he in czech? Nov 13 05:12:01 hrm Nov 13 05:12:03 sleep Nov 13 05:12:07 I think so Nov 13 05:12:20 i fucking love opie, but without wifi, its useless to me.. Nov 13 05:12:25 CTCP TIME reply from |miska|: Thu Nov 13 06:11:32 2008 Nov 13 05:12:37 unless i feel like buying a bluetooth adapter for my pc to connect to the internet through it Nov 13 05:13:03 wow 9 hours difference Nov 13 05:36:24 hey_joe: hi Nov 13 05:36:31 he's Czech Nov 13 05:36:43 I'd suggest /ctcp |miska| TIME ;) Nov 13 06:54:55 miska you alive? Nov 13 06:56:00 i was wondering, i can't seem to find any kernels on your TX site other than 2.6.21.. which after loading with cocoboot, i do not see the libertas driver in modprove -l... Nov 13 06:56:21 i thought you had backported it to this kernel version? and if not, where can i obtain a test version that has that backport? Nov 13 06:56:36 thx in advance, i sleep maybe soon, ill idle. Nov 13 07:08:26 Sleep_Walker, know where i can find a test kernel for the TX with the libertas driver loaded? Nov 13 07:08:33 shit Nov 13 07:20:27 <|miska|> hey_joe: I accidentally deleted it and I've got a little mess in my vanilla sources, but I'm reuploading something what might work Nov 13 07:20:45 <|miska|> It should have some USB Host support as well Nov 13 07:21:08 <|miska|> But other things might not work Nov 13 07:21:36 <|miska|> And it was in vanilla only Nov 13 07:23:02 ah ok Nov 13 07:23:08 i have been racking my brain on this for days Nov 13 07:23:42 just now realized there was an irc channel... was trotting around your pages and found the testing directory, but kernels was non-existent, and no vanilla kernel for the TX :-( Nov 13 07:23:56 where do you normally keep the new kernels? Nov 13 07:24:07 <|miska|> On testing page Nov 13 07:24:22 hey! Nov 13 07:24:58 <|miska|> But it has a little disadvantage if I broke something my update scripts deletes kernels I can no longer build Nov 13 07:25:08 <|miska|> Sleep_Walker: Nov 13 07:25:10 <|miska|> hi Nov 13 07:25:12 <|miska|> :-T Nov 13 07:25:27 * Sleep_Walker is already @ work :( Nov 13 07:25:40 * _Oblique_ has just got up Nov 13 07:25:44 * |miska| should be on his way to school Nov 13 07:26:26 * Sleep_Walker tries to find out is his headache is because of lack of coffee or because of coffee overdose Nov 13 07:27:07 * |miska| will play with hackndev vanilla later, from what I've ssen it looks promising :-B Nov 13 07:28:01 <_Oblique_> |miska|: where to get the vanilla kernel again? Nov 13 07:28:40 <|miska|> On testing page - hackndev-vanilla Nov 13 07:29:48 sweeeeeeeeet Nov 13 07:29:54 your the best Nov 13 07:30:08 so we have a black president now, and the secret service calls him "renegade" Nov 13 07:30:11 :-D Nov 13 07:30:42 oooh, its 400kb fatter Nov 13 07:30:52 ah well Nov 13 07:30:59 it's meat, no fat Nov 13 07:31:19 muscles, brain Nov 13 07:32:45 ehehehe Nov 13 07:33:07 well, its 1:32am, and i just finished watching some russian version of saw 4 Nov 13 07:33:17 the hunt for eagle one is next Nov 13 07:33:19 thanks guys Nov 13 13:33:02 Hey guys, I'm starting a hacking ezine, and need writers. If anyone's interested, read on the editorial policy at http://k0r0pt.co.cc Nov 13 14:14:07 wow Nov 13 14:14:19 I could write something Nov 13 14:14:43 like 'I is kewl haxor Nov 13 14:14:51 or something Nov 13 14:26:50 Sleep_Walker, hi, how things are? Nov 13 14:27:38 slapin: hi Nov 13 14:27:48 I finally submited patch and no answer yet Nov 13 14:27:54 now I'm @ work Nov 13 14:28:03 so no fun with PDAs :b Nov 13 14:28:28 but when I came home, I'll play with IrDA a bit and try to find IrDA GPIO Nov 13 14:28:41 to prepare it for merge Nov 13 14:29:13 do you have any solution against meeting minutes recording? Nov 13 14:29:58 I hate that extremely and they force me to be a protocol wrighter Nov 13 14:30:06 damn damn damn Nov 13 14:32:21 well, I can ignore them quite well Nov 13 14:32:32 and I've got always my Treo with Nov 13 14:32:47 demoversion of Bike or die! makes it much more fun Nov 13 16:58:47 jeez Nov 13 16:59:03 I hate meeeeeeeeetings...... Nov 13 16:59:08 marex, using the hackndev vanilla kernel on the TX here, and i was wondering if there is a argument for modprove to load the dumped firmware for the marvel card from cocoboot.. Nov 13 16:59:15 somebody save meeee Nov 13 16:59:27 i do modprove libertas, and it loads.. however iwconfig lists no wireless interfaces... Nov 13 16:59:38 and yes, i did activate wifi in PalmOS Nov 13 16:59:41 turn wifi on in palmos Nov 13 16:59:47 ;-) Nov 13 17:00:03 then you have a problem ... maybe miska didnt patched it Nov 13 17:00:16 he uploaded it last night for me Nov 13 17:00:20 you need to have the firmware in /lib/firmware/ Nov 13 17:00:24 ah Nov 13 17:00:35 with patched libertas driver ? Nov 13 17:00:37 so i need to copy that libertas.cs to the lib/firmware directory? Nov 13 17:01:02 check the source for exact filename Nov 13 17:01:22 im not sure.. i used this kernel >> http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/testing/tx-hackndev-vanilla-kernel.tgz Nov 13 17:01:48 but of course i never did copy the .cs file that cocoboot created to /lib/firmware Nov 13 17:01:53 i guess i will try that Nov 13 17:03:36 nice works by the way.. Nov 13 17:03:56 i appreciate all this code you guys have created Nov 13 17:04:04 i HATE PalmOS Nov 13 17:10:52 no go Nov 13 17:11:33 copied libertas_cs_onestage.fw /lib/firmware; modprobe libertas Nov 13 17:11:44 returns no errors, but iwconfig still lists no interfaces for wifi Nov 13 17:12:03 need i connect to an AP under PalmOS, or just scan? Nov 13 17:22:05 * hey_joe pulls his hair out Nov 13 17:23:32 ifconfig -a doesnt show anything ? Nov 13 17:23:40 Im sure I put some howto on hackndev homepage Nov 13 17:29:55 ive checked.. Nov 13 17:30:06 no how-to.. it does list a few things, but i am beyond that so far Nov 13 17:30:50 ifconfig -a lists the irda0, lo Nov 13 17:31:08 im thinking maybe the kernel he uploaded last night has a botched driver Nov 13 17:31:17 do you have a copy of the hackndev vanilla kernel somewhere? Nov 13 17:32:15 I used mainline for that Nov 13 17:40:15 mainline doesn't have the libertas driver? Nov 13 17:42:15 it does ... as I said one line above Nov 13 17:43:57 hmm Nov 13 17:44:06 im confused i guess Nov 13 17:44:48 which kernel version should i be using? Nov 13 17:44:52 2.6.21? Nov 13 17:45:09 the one miska linked to was 2.6.27 Nov 13 17:50:43 can you send me a link to the copy of the compiled kernel that you used? Nov 13 17:51:04 this PalmTX is a recent refurb, and i am wondering if I didn't get a different chipset Nov 13 17:59:42 wow you ripped my friend dmitry a new asshole on 1src :-) Nov 13 18:00:03 i have always disagreed with him, and after the buggy dbcache of PalmOS fried my devices rom.. Nov 13 18:00:25 i can def. agree to disagree on several point with him. Nov 13 18:09:14 * hey_joe is at a stand still Nov 13 18:14:12 im wonder if dmitry's tx2 rom has hendered this at all Nov 13 19:03:55 hey_joe, you'll have to compile it yourself ... I dont have any particular working kernel at all ... they are all just debuging ones Nov 13 19:04:09 hrm Nov 13 19:04:15 ok wheres the source? Nov 13 19:12:31 is there an existing working kernel with the libertas driver? it seems the one miska gave me has the driver, but for some reason or another... its adding the interface Nov 13 19:12:39 are there more steps than just modprobe libertas? Nov 13 19:24:54 ifconfig eth0 up ... Nov 13 19:30:56 right, no such interface exists.. Nov 13 19:31:08 is it neccesary to config an ip in palm os first perhaps? Nov 13 19:31:14 or is just a scan neccesary? Nov 13 19:39:12 so there is no compiled TX kernel with libertas support is what you are telling me? Nov 13 20:53:41 hey_joe, no idea, I'm not concerned about releases Nov 13 20:54:32 hey_joe: does 'ifconfig -a' show some relevant network interfaces? Nov 13 20:54:46 Sleep_Walker, no ... read above Nov 13 20:55:14 marex: no history or no relevant history... Nov 13 20:59:44 Sleep_Walker, only shows bt and lo Nov 13 21:00:00 bt? you mean bnep0? Nov 13 21:00:07 i realize now i dont have to modprobe it, because modprobe -l shows libertas, libertas_cs, and some 80211 stuff Nov 13 21:00:09 yeh Nov 13 21:00:20 bnep0 and the loopback Nov 13 21:00:54 so close but so far away :-/ Nov 13 21:01:37 hey_joe: I'd suggest you to find if device and driver are "connected" Nov 13 21:01:46 do you know /sys ? Nov 13 21:03:01 somewhat Nov 13 21:03:23 /sys/devices? Nov 13 21:03:37 see dmesg Nov 13 21:03:53 and /sys/bus/platform Nov 13 21:04:14 dmesg is also fine if you know what you're looking for Nov 13 21:05:36 dmesg shows no libertas stuff Nov 13 21:08:00 nothing under /sys/bus/platforms/devices either Nov 13 21:12:23 lsmod lists mac80211, cfg80211, libertas_cs, and libertas Nov 13 21:16:00 and apparently rmmod libertas_cs; rmmod libertas; modprobe libertas debug >> shows no debu support in dmesg Nov 13 21:17:30 and after modprobe libertas; modprobe libertas_cs dmesg has now no new entries Nov 13 21:35:47 * hey_joe bleh Nov 13 22:27:45 |miska|_, you alive? Nov 13 22:27:58 /\ Nov 13 22:28:42 <|miska|_> yep Nov 13 22:30:19 i downloaded the 2.6.27 testing kernel from your page, and booted cocoboot after initializing wifi in PalmOS Nov 13 22:30:42 modprobe -l lists the libertas, libertas_cs, and some 80211 stuff.. Nov 13 22:30:59 dmesg shows nothing about libertas however Nov 13 22:31:02 any ideas? Nov 13 22:31:44 <|miska|_> Di you used WiFi in PalmOS before? Nov 13 22:31:50 yes Nov 13 22:32:09 i was wondering if need to actually connect to the AP in palmOS first, or is just scanning enough etc.. Nov 13 22:32:16 <|miska|_> Like scanning and then booting kernel without any reset meanwhile? Nov 13 22:32:27 right. Nov 13 22:32:31 <|miska|_> I think scanning should be enough Nov 13 22:32:35 i scanned, then ran cocoboot Nov 13 22:32:39 also connected and ran cocoboot Nov 13 22:33:15 i noticed angstrom did take a little longer to load with that testing vanilla kernel.. Nov 13 22:33:24 however all seems fine except this wifi issue Nov 13 22:33:27 <|miska|> And no new interface in ifconfig? Nov 13 22:33:36 just bnep0, and the loopback Nov 13 22:33:58 tried bringing up loopback, and rmmod, modprove again etc.. Nov 13 22:34:00 to no avail Nov 13 22:34:03 <|miska|> I'll take a look at it, but not now Nov 13 22:34:08 k Nov 13 22:34:38 have any other kernels in your pocket that might work, such as an older kernel with the libertas driver back ported? Nov 13 22:35:57 <|miska|> nope Nov 13 22:36:17 <|miska|> I broke newer kernel recently Nov 13 22:36:32 ee Nov 13 22:36:44 no older kernels with libertas? Nov 13 22:36:48 <|miska|> It will require some time, which I don't have right now Nov 13 22:37:24 <|miska|> No, why using older kernels if we can use newer ;-) Nov 13 22:37:34 true Nov 13 22:37:49 * hey_joe lags Nov 13 22:37:59 i was so excited :-/ Nov 13 22:43:53 * hey_joe sighs Nov 13 22:44:48 take cold shower :b Nov 13 22:52:18 yep Nov 13 22:52:25 i want wifi so bad. Nov 13 22:52:28 it hurts my tummy Nov 13 22:53:08 any other familiar stuff that might have working wifi? Nov 13 22:53:36 <|miska|> no Nov 13 22:54:14 well appreciate the info anyways.. Nov 13 22:54:20 and good luck with the new kernel builds Nov 13 22:54:31 make sure to post something on your site if you get wifi working :-D Nov 13 22:56:16 there might be a paypal in order Nov 13 23:04:14 hey_joe, I already told you the wifi is working ... just |miska| is incapable of building a working kernel ... Nov 13 23:04:28 you can build one yourself, patch the driver and have fun Nov 13 23:04:48 hrm Nov 13 23:05:08 i have built linux kernels before with like slackware and s uch... but no experience with patching drivers ,etc... Nov 13 23:05:25 some C++ experience but not much Nov 13 23:05:46 * hey_joe frowns and downs his coffee Nov 13 23:05:51 i might crack the kernel open later Nov 14 00:29:55 blah Nov 14 00:30:00 no luck at all with libertas Nov 14 00:37:25 man Palm TX is a piece of shit Nov 14 00:37:30 i just had a new one sent to me.. Nov 14 00:37:36 this PalmTX is a recent refurb, and i am wondering if I didn't get a different chipset Nov 14 00:37:36 because of a corrupt ram in the first Nov 14 00:37:36 wow you ripped my friend dmitry a new asshole on 1src :-) Nov 14 00:38:17 it seems to work better with dmitrys tx2 rom installed, however without TX2 Blazer freezes no matter what? Nov 14 00:38:20 maybe its just blaz Nov 14 00:38:23 i dunno Nov 14 00:38:25 kinda ironic cause marex is a asshole as well Nov 14 00:38:25 im out. Nov 14 00:38:31 palm os is junk Nov 14 00:38:36 i know Nov 14 00:39:06 and if i dont have wifi under hackndev soon, this brand new piece of shit is going to end up in its brand new piece of shit box on eBay Nov 14 00:39:58 how could they even ship this thing to me Nov 14 00:40:13 i mean it freezes and locks up in blazer, pocket tunes AND versamail. Nov 14 00:40:17 right out of the box fully charged Nov 14 00:40:21 what the fuck is up with that? Nov 14 00:40:35 only until i installed TX2 did it decide to stop freezing so OFTEN Nov 14 00:41:01 yep Nov 14 00:41:05 same deal with my t5 Nov 14 00:41:47 really even the t5's? Nov 14 00:41:49 thats fucked Nov 14 00:42:00 i would return it had i not lost my receipt :-( Nov 14 00:42:23 at least you have working wifi under hackndev :-/ Nov 14 00:42:37 not yet Nov 14 00:42:41 t5 doesn't have wifi Nov 14 00:42:49 damn Nov 14 00:42:54 i wonder what the hold up is Nov 14 00:43:00 no Nov 14 00:43:01 it seems this is a key functional piece Nov 14 00:43:03 doesn't have a chip Nov 14 00:43:06 oh Nov 14 00:43:10 that sucks Nov 14 00:43:13 BT? Nov 14 00:43:17 yep Nov 14 00:43:43 i am now wishing i had bought that eee pc on ebay last night for 100$ Nov 14 00:46:55 i mean marex apparently had a *working* wifi kernel, but now all of the sudden, there is no working wifi kernel. Nov 14 00:47:02 what gives? Nov 14 00:47:25 why not have saved that kernel, and thrown it up for the rest of us Nov 14 00:47:42 to tinker with, then go on and move up the tree... but at least leave us with something working Nov 14 00:47:44 ah well Nov 14 00:48:26 i guess ill just have to shut my mouth, be polite and wait :-/ Nov 14 00:54:32 does ANYone here have a TX with working wi-fi? Nov 14 00:55:31 Not me. Nov 14 00:55:43 All I really own are Treos. Nov 14 00:57:46 * flyback has to go figure out why his canucking laptop stopped booting xp Nov 14 00:58:57 fixboot/fixmbr :-) Nov 14 01:46:11 mmm, slow. Nov 14 02:17:30 Hey all. Nov 14 02:17:53 I just wanted to point out something that several of you might already know -- the Treo 650 (possibly 680) has a removable GSM module, if you open the unit. Nov 14 02:18:25 That means a few things: 1. Can replace GSM module with something that has documentation 2. Take it out and attach to PC and send commands, etc to heart's content without having to work with limitations of Treo. Nov 14 02:19:24 Speedy2: very interesting ... Nov 14 02:19:36 Do you have the pinout of the connector? Nov 14 02:19:57 No, but it should be easy to figure out since we know it's a serial interface between Treo and GSM Nov 14 02:20:02 * rwhitby needs a GSM module to hook up to the company asterisk server ... Nov 14 02:20:13 rwhitby: You can buy them from a lot of places Nov 14 02:20:14 how about audio routing though? Nov 14 02:20:25 My understanding is the audio is all digital in/out Nov 14 02:20:26 Speedy2: yeah, but I'm too cheap and I have a spare T650 :-_ Nov 14 02:20:48 The difficulty is lack of documentation on the Broadcom GSM ASIC and/or front-end Nov 14 02:21:01 The SIM+GSM are all in one unit. Nov 14 02:21:06 Hmm - I'd need to work out how to get audio from Asterisk to GSM module. Nov 14 02:21:15 It would be all digital Nov 14 02:21:23 i.e you'd send PCM to the GSM module Nov 14 02:21:28 or ADPCM or some thing Nov 14 02:21:51 I wonder how I'd get that out of a normal PC box ... Nov 14 02:22:01 Probably use a USB to serial converter Nov 14 02:22:11 And run the serial interface fast, like 430kbps or 230kbps or something Nov 14 02:22:17 + regulated power Nov 14 02:22:20 (probably 3.3V) Nov 14 02:22:39 oh, you're saying the audio goes over the serial interface too? Nov 14 02:22:46 Yeah, probably with an AT command Nov 14 02:22:54 Did you ever work with old school MODEMs? Nov 14 02:23:02 Especially the ones with speakerphone capabilities? Nov 14 02:23:04 ok, that's different to the openmoko gsm modem module then ... Nov 14 02:23:17 OMKO GSM takes analog data in straight? Nov 14 02:23:25 I guess I could be completely wrong and the GSM does A/D, D/A Nov 14 02:23:36 But that's a dumb design on the part of OpenMOKO. Nov 14 02:23:42 it has separate pins for digital audio, which it connects up to the wolfsen chip Nov 14 02:23:54 That makes sense Nov 14 02:24:01