**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 29 02:59:57 2009
Mar 29 03:07:53 * flyback feels like lighting shooting thru his back from picking grandma off the floor
Mar 29 03:08:09 * flyback not going to sleep much tonight :/
Mar 29 05:28:50 * flyback is not sure he's going to make it thru the night with his sanity the pain is so bad
Mar 29 11:00:42 <Sleep_Walker> back
Mar 29 15:21:49 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: hi
Mar 29 15:22:09 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: I missed you today twice
Mar 29 15:25:12 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: write here, please
Mar 29 15:25:19 <emfox> ok
Mar 29 15:27:29 <emfox> after a upgrade, my X didn't work, I spent a whole afternoon but it's still the case
Mar 29 15:28:41 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: permission problem? :)
Mar 29 15:29:30 <emfox> seems like dbus or hal changed sth.
Mar 29 15:30:16 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: I don't know about related changes, sorry
Mar 29 15:30:45 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: do you use jabber?
Mar 29 15:32:32 <emfox2> Sleep_Walker:  upIRC crashed :(
Mar 29 15:32:36 <emfox2> ls
Mar 29 15:32:44 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: I don't know about related changes, sorry
Mar 29 15:32:46 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: do you use jabber?
Mar 29 15:33:22 <emfox2> google talk?
Mar 29 15:33:38 <Sleep_Walker> I tried to add your google contact
Mar 29 15:34:24 <emfox2> I use gtalk daily
Mar 29 15:37:45 <emfox2> Sleep_Walker: gizmo cannot find you
Mar 29 15:37:55 <emfox2> so I'm back here
Mar 29 15:38:03 <Sleep_Walker> I don't know gizmo
Mar 29 15:38:14 <Sleep_Walker> doesn't matter
Mar 29 15:38:22 <emfox2> it's a jabber client for palmos5
Mar 29 15:38:36 <emfox2> I use it for gtalk
Mar 29 15:38:49 <Sleep_Walker> I see
Mar 29 15:39:07 <emfox2> btw, suspend need new cocoboot, does it?
Mar 29 15:40:48 <Sleep_Walker> I think so
Mar 29 15:41:25 <emfox2> please ... :)
Mar 29 15:42:32 <Sleep_Walker> hm, I didn't found mention about that by Marex
Mar 29 15:43:10 <Sleep_Walker> It works for me with the last version I attached on Bootpacks page
Mar 29 15:43:11 <emfox2> I see in git log, he had added the code
Mar 29 15:43:48 <emfox2> just after two hours of your attachment
Mar 29 15:44:54 * emfox2 should set a build-env himself.
Mar 29 15:45:46 <Sleep_Walker> emfox2: It has same revision as HEAD
Mar 29 15:47:36 <emfox2> ok...
Mar 29 15:49:24 <emfox2> If I want to talk to GSM, which dev should I use? ttyUSB* seems illegal
Mar 29 15:49:46 <Sleep_Walker> STUART device
Mar 29 15:50:00 <Sleep_Walker> dmesg | grep UART
Mar 29 15:50:15 <emfox2> oh, good.
Mar 29 15:50:32 <Sleep_Walker> GSM is connected through serial
Mar 29 15:51:28 <emfox2> last time you mentioned it's attached on USB
Mar 29 15:51:43 <Sleep_Walker> it was bluetooth
Mar 29 15:51:50 <emfox2> so I think should be ttyUSB
Mar 29 15:52:11 <emfox2> is it? my bad memory...
Mar 29 15:53:05 <Sleep_Walker> bluetooth?
Mar 29 15:53:59 <emfox2> ok, last before I reboot to linux, is resume from suspend available without ssh ?
Mar 29 15:54:22 <emfox2> never mind, I do not care bt
Mar 29 15:54:38 <Sleep_Walker> I cannot find it in log
Mar 29 15:54:43 <Sleep_Walker> it can be my fault, sorry
Mar 29 15:55:10 <Sleep_Walker> resume?
Mar 29 15:55:20 <Sleep_Walker> it is resumed, when you press key
Mar 29 15:55:28 <Sleep_Walker> (I hope the red one :)
Mar 29 15:55:35 <emfox2> sounds great !
Mar 29 15:56:14 <emfox2> we could do this, maybe in userspace
Mar 29 15:56:47 <Sleep_Walker> what to do?
Mar 29 15:57:04 <emfox2> the red one
Mar 29 15:58:21 <emfox2> like, disable all other keys right before suspend
Mar 29 15:58:35 <Sleep_Walker> hmmm
Mar 29 15:59:08 <Sleep_Walker> I don't think that GPIO configuration is ready for such userspace app
Mar 29 15:59:18 <emfox2> and enable then when we back
Mar 29 15:59:44 <emfox2> I'm just brainstorming :)
Mar 29 16:00:31 <Sleep_Walker> since the wake up is done without processor, userspace handling will be a bit harder
Mar 29 16:01:32 <emfox2> true.
Mar 29 16:01:33 <Sleep_Walker> it would be easier to implement some /sys files to control it
Mar 29 16:02:34 <emfox2> OK. I'd like to try it now
Mar 29 16:02:52 <Sleep_Walker> good luck
Mar 29 16:03:07 <emfox2> btw, the version of cocoboot you attachment is too low :)
Mar 29 16:03:30 <emfox2> s/attachment/attached/
Mar 29 16:03:54 <Sleep_Walker> are you sure you're not looking at cached web page?
Mar 29 16:04:13 <Sleep_Walker> Attachments
Mar 29 16:04:14 <Sleep_Walker>     * cocoboot.prc (41.0 kB) - added by SleepWalker 41 hours ago. "revision 97538047d29fd0f400602c3fcc461e051818dfad"
Mar 29 16:04:23 <emfox2> I mean the version number displayed
Mar 29 16:04:45 <emfox2> but I got a 0.4.*
Mar 29 16:05:05 <emfox2> maybe or maybe not, I'll down it again
Mar 29 16:05:30 <emfox2> see u later
Mar 29 16:05:35 <Sleep_Walker> bye
Mar 29 17:36:07 <mib_17q422> hi Sleep_Walker
Mar 29 17:38:22 <Sleep_Walker> hi mib_17q422
Mar 29 17:38:50 * mib_17q422 changes his autogenerated nick to something less useless
Mar 29 17:39:01 <Sleep_Walker> good idea
Mar 29 17:39:14 <allthegoodnamesa> :/
Mar 29 17:39:21 <allthegoodnamesa> so much for "allthegoodnamesaretaken" :D
Mar 29 17:39:49 * mib_17q422 shrugs
Mar 29 17:40:12 <Sleep_Walker> mib_17q422: take your time :b
Mar 29 17:40:35 <mib_17q422> well, on freenode it takes lots of time :)
Mar 29 17:40:48 <mib_17q422> anyway, I have interesting news as far as the kernel you compiled yesterday
Mar 29 17:40:59 <mib_17q422> so every other boot it makes it most of the way through the boot process, then hangs
Mar 29 17:41:18 <mib_17q422> first boot: breaks at "init booting...", or "freeing init memory", or something else early on
Mar 29 17:41:27 <mib_17q422> reset and try again and it makes it most of the way through /etc/rcS.d
Mar 29 17:41:52 <mib_17q422> I tried adding "echo done with $xyz" lines to bootmisc.sh and determined that it freezes trying to run /sbin/ldconfig
Mar 29 17:42:30 <mib_17q422> if you comment out the ldconfig line, it continues booting, goes past hackndev_firstboot, says "booting linux on your palm" (text-to-speech thing on first boot)
Mar 29 17:42:38 <mib_17q422> then it hangs somewhere in the middle of loading opie
Mar 29 17:42:56 <mib_17q422> now, how's *that* for weird?
Mar 29 17:43:21 * mib_vkmvlw dislikes web-based IRC
Mar 29 17:43:59 <mib_vkmvlw> anyway... any ideas Sleep_Walker?
Mar 29 17:44:35 <Sleep_Walker> mib_vkmvlw: why don't you install IRC client?
Mar 29 17:44:55 <mib_vkmvlw> hang on a minute :)
Mar 29 18:14:53 <mib_vkmvlw> Sleep_Walker: sorry, I had to go take care of some things, and I have to leave my computer for now
Mar 29 18:14:57 <mib_vkmvlw> will you be around later?
Mar 29 18:15:15 <Sleep_Walker> I think so
Mar 29 18:15:34 <mib_vkmvlw> say, sometime in the next 2-3 hours?
Mar 29 18:15:54 <Sleep_Walker> yes
Mar 29 18:16:05 <mib_vkmvlw> alright, thanks :)
Mar 29 23:15:03 <enigme> hi Sleep_Walker -- sorry for the delay, but I've set up a real IRC client now :)
Mar 29 23:15:39 <Sleep_Walker> hi
Mar 29 23:15:43 <Sleep_Walker> congrats
Mar 29 23:15:51 <Sleep_Walker> wow, Berkeley
Mar 29 23:16:14 * enigme shrugs :)
Mar 29 23:17:45 <enigme> anyway, you can tell I'm not a CS student
Mar 29 23:17:48 <enigme> just a hobbyist
Mar 29 23:17:49 <fahhem> that's where I'm at, do you work for the ocf or just use them?
Mar 29 23:18:19 <enigme> fahhem: both
Mar 29 23:18:50 <fahhem> good to know there's still hobbyists in berkeley
Mar 29 23:21:40 <enigme> fahhem: well, one would hope there are a few at least :)
Mar 29 23:22:34 <Sleep_Walker> :b
Mar 29 23:22:51 * Sleep_Walker just finally run Qtopia :)
Mar 29 23:23:15 <Sleep_Walker> I'll try to enable modem and retry :)
Mar 29 23:24:23 * enigme wishes Sleep_Walker luck and tries to figure out why his T|X doesn't like this kernel
Mar 29 23:25:07 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: |miska| is finally back - he said that he will try to build new TX kernel
Mar 29 23:25:20 <Sleep_Walker> ask him
Mar 29 23:25:29 <Sleep_Walker> (but he probably sleeps already
Mar 29 23:26:16 <Sleep_Walker> )
Mar 29 23:28:13 <enigme> |miska|: are you there?
Mar 29 23:36:05 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: you can catch him tomorrow here
Mar 29 23:36:32 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: do you know when he's around?
Mar 29 23:36:50 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: he's same time zone as me
Mar 29 23:38:29 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: alright, thanks
Mar 29 23:42:51 <Sleep_Walker> np
Mar 29 23:55:20 <marex> Sleep_Walker, yes ... he's the same timezone as me too :/
Mar 29 23:55:38 <Sleep_Walker> coincidence?
Mar 29 23:55:56 <marex> bad luck ;)
Mar 29 23:56:20 <marex> anyway ... looks like HnD is finally pure MFFUK project
Mar 29 23:56:34 <marex> or is someone from "the core" not from MFF UK ?
Mar 29 23:57:03 <Sleep_Walker> well, I don't know
Mar 29 23:57:11 <Sleep_Walker> I don't know who belongs to core ;D
Mar 29 23:58:55 <marex> Sleep_Walker, me ... you ... farcaller doesnt work on it anymore, bob neither
Mar 29 23:59:31 <Sleep_Walker> well, we have to mention that Hack&Dev != Linux4Palm :b
Mar 29 23:59:36 <marex> btw. I'll try the T3 solution tomorow ... I'm looking forward to it
Mar 29 23:59:50 <Sleep_Walker> marex: have you seen http://www.hackndev.org/ ?
Mar 30 00:00:17 <marex> yuck
Mar 30 00:00:36 * Sleep_Walker look forwards too :)
Mar 30 00:00:54 <marex> well you have patched smallrom already, dont you ?
Mar 30 00:01:19 <marex> btw it might open the gate for TE2 and TC too if it clicks
Mar 30 00:01:26 <marex> the loaders are similar
Mar 30 00:03:17 <marex> gnight
Mar 30 00:03:55 * enigme bids marex goodnight
Mar 30 00:04:02 <Sleep_Walker> gn
Mar 30 00:04:07 <Sleep_Walker> yes, I have patched
Mar 30 00:04:13 <Sleep_Walker> but I also have kEdAR's
Mar 30 00:04:43 <marex> Sleep_Walker, I dont have patched, you tested it iirc
Mar 30 00:04:52 <marex> so I can easily test it
Mar 30 00:04:57 <Sleep_Walker> fine
Mar 30 00:05:40 * Sleep_Walker has exported controlling GPIOs for GSM chip through /sys
Mar 30 00:05:58 <Sleep_Walker> but I don't know how set up Qtopia
Mar 30 00:06:39 <fahhem> i'm from the West Coast of the USA, though i'm more of a former member for now, never part of core
Mar 30 00:08:03 <Sleep_Walker> well, Marex need to be part of core, you know ;)
Mar 30 00:15:21 <enigme> anyway, I've gotta go... thanks for you rhelp Sleep_Walker
Mar 30 00:15:26 <enigme> your help, rather
Mar 30 00:15:35 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: I wasn't much helping
Mar 30 00:15:54 <Sleep_Walker> wish me luck with Qtopia :)
Mar 30 00:15:58 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: well, it's the thought that counts :)  good luck with Qtopia
Mar 30 01:54:49 * flyback is about to start backing  up 9 yrs of email off a webmail account before something happens to the host
Mar 30 02:08:49 <Sleep_Walker> hmmm, too late today
Mar 30 02:08:57 <Sleep_Walker> 4:08
Mar 30 02:09:00 <Sleep_Walker> time to go sleep
Mar 30 02:47:20 <flyback> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BqqpHaMIg <--- the sound of a emd 645 turbo makes me cry
Mar 30 02:47:36 * flyback headbangs
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 30 02:59:57 2009