**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 31 02:59:57 2009 Mar 31 03:05:13 * flyback logs into his 2 hushmail accounts and pays the $15 x 2 imap access fee so he can backup the last 10 yrs of his life Mar 31 03:45:54 * flyback clicks on "get mail in thunderbird" and prays Mar 31 03:54:17 OMG IT WORKED! Mar 31 03:58:56 * flyback suddentely feels 10 yrs younger Mar 31 04:16:12 * flyback dances Mar 31 04:16:22 heh Mar 31 04:27:31 http://www.youtube.com/user/Davidsfarm <--- YOU STUPID BUT KINDA COOL CANUCK! Mar 31 05:30:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ&feature=related# <_- hahahaha Mar 31 05:55:22 * flyback is feeling really sick now, ugh bad dinner? Mar 31 08:57:31 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511738,00.html < --- they should use mustard gas on those pieces of subhuman trash for killing red cross members Mar 31 10:00:20 * flyback zzz Mar 31 13:44:52 Sleep_Walker: hihi~ Mar 31 13:45:00 emfox: hi Mar 31 13:45:26 emfox: have you done your phone call? :) Mar 31 13:45:44 no :( Mar 31 13:46:17 even not works with minicom Mar 31 13:46:20 emfox: did you chat with GSM? Mar 31 13:46:31 have you set speed to 460800? Mar 31 13:47:05 how to set? he even do not response in any way Mar 31 13:47:28 it's in minicom serial port setting Mar 31 13:47:53 ar... I use default one Mar 31 13:48:06 maybe that's the case Mar 31 13:48:11 maybe Mar 31 13:48:39 but gsmsmsd didn't work either Mar 31 13:49:02 I think his default setting will be ok for a gsm phone Mar 31 13:49:19 emfox: first command you have to put soon after reseting chip 'AT+CFUN=1' Mar 31 13:50:12 does reset using ATZ? Mar 31 13:50:13 I'm currently at work now and night I've got reserved for my wife but tomorrow I'll try it Mar 31 13:50:58 of course, life first Mar 31 13:51:55 you'd better go through Alex's handheld tinkering blog Mar 31 13:52:00 http://hhtinker.blogspot.com/ Mar 31 13:52:37 you should tell me this earlier :) Mar 31 13:52:53 I think I should :b Mar 31 13:53:13 and my X works now Mar 31 13:53:16 emfox: feel free to create wiki page :b Mar 31 13:53:20 good Mar 31 13:53:24 what was the problem? Mar 31 13:53:30 thank for your hint Mar 31 13:53:42 I haven't calc it out Mar 31 13:54:15 there would be also nice page about X with xorg.conf attached :b Mar 31 13:54:20 now I use just a 'Xorg & && xterm' Mar 31 13:54:30 oh, right Mar 31 13:55:05 don't know why startx refuse to work Mar 31 13:55:23 anyway, it work, it's ok Mar 31 13:57:28 now my time to go asleep, see you tomorrow Mar 31 13:58:41 emfox: gn Mar 31 13:59:27 Sleep_Walker: one more time, what's the baud rate? Mar 31 13:59:37 460800 Mar 31 13:59:42 4x115200 Mar 31 13:59:42 I forgot to start logging Mar 31 13:59:47 ok Mar 31 14:00:44 Sleep_Walker: tried that kernel you gave me last about 5-6 times, no luck, don't want to kill my battery by taking it out so much :P Mar 31 14:00:56 Sleep_Walker: Anyway to debug where it's getting stuck? Mar 31 14:01:36 cocoboot offers some logging through USB - you can try that for start Mar 31 14:01:47 if it is on cocoboot side, that's bad Mar 31 14:02:08 but Marex could fix it if you describe the problem well Mar 31 14:02:37 mekius: I'd also recommend to try some older kernel I built Mar 31 14:02:54 mekius: http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/kernel-2.6/ Mar 31 14:03:17 it's based on our linux-2.6.27 (or 28?) Mar 31 14:03:21 well I have a kernel that boots more often, just has that whiteout problem, these older builds have that fixed? Mar 31 14:03:44 Anyway, is the logging from cocoboot suppose to be USB console? Mar 31 14:04:01 connecting with minicom doesn't seem to show me anything, not sure if I have the wrong baudrate or something though Mar 31 14:07:07 mekius: so there IS some older build with which you got further? Mar 31 14:07:18 what version it is? Mar 31 14:11:21 zImage-centro-2.6.27-00066-gb7ff8ec is the file name Mar 31 14:12:34 seems like it was built after the initial centro support was added around nov 2008 Mar 31 14:13:14 not my build Mar 31 14:13:24 btw, the last commit I see in the 2.6.27 branch in git is from nov, is there a newer branch? Mar 31 14:13:31 No, someone named Alex made it Mar 31 14:13:34 :D Mar 31 14:13:39 http://releases.hackndev.com/kernels/zImage-centro-2.6.27-00066-gb7ff8ec Mar 31 14:13:43 that's the url to it Mar 31 14:13:51 good old alex Mar 31 14:13:57 http://hackndev.com/node/221#comment-901 Mar 31 14:14:07 we currently maintain patches against arm-devel Mar 31 14:14:30 ah Mar 31 14:14:38 so don't keep your own tree anymore? Mar 31 14:36:36 mekius: nope Mar 31 14:36:53 Sleep_Walker: patches are in git Mar 31 14:36:54 ? Mar 31 14:37:04 no Mar 31 14:37:15 on my local clone of git Mar 31 14:37:28 oh okk Mar 31 14:37:29 ok* Mar 31 14:37:37 Are you the only one that really works on the kernel these days? Mar 31 14:37:40 wanna patch to play with? Mar 31 14:37:54 mekius: marex is working too, but on other devices Mar 31 14:37:59 so just pull the arm branch from kernel.org and use your patches? Mar 31 14:38:04 yes Mar 31 14:38:09 k Mar 31 14:38:18 arm devel Mar 31 16:51:17 mekius: have you tried to boot with GSM powered off? Mar 31 18:27:58 mekius: it looks that I've got some troubles too, I'll recheck later Mar 31 18:29:00 I've got two Treos 680 and one Centro Mar 31 18:29:12 marex: it looks like 42 is really SD_POWER GPIO Mar 31 18:29:18 bbl Mar 31 18:29:48 mekius, your t680 cdma doesnt boot ? Mar 31 18:41:09 http://marex.hackndev.com/cocoboot-xscale-mem.prc Mar 31 18:41:16 new version ... try that Mar 31 18:44:26 marex: centro cdma Mar 31 18:44:56 did you just update that? Mar 31 18:45:00 yea Mar 31 18:45:05 oh ok Mar 31 18:45:06 see the (i) Mar 31 18:45:13 it should have todays' builddate Mar 31 18:45:15 I tried the version from yesterday, didn't have much luck :) Mar 31 18:45:16 ok Mar 31 18:45:19 I will grab it Mar 31 18:46:16 marex: What has changed if I may ask :) Mar 31 18:47:28 see git.hackndev.com Mar 31 18:49:04 k Mar 31 18:49:56 hmm, why would that cause it to just get stuck? Mar 31 18:50:22 would probably make sense if I knew what was using that address it was calculating :) Mar 31 18:50:26 or size rather Mar 31 19:07:40 mekius, I suppose you have treo680 kernel ? Mar 31 19:08:39 if so, run cocoboot, in the left top corner, change the number from whatever there is to 1944 and try booting Mar 31 19:20:14 also try this one, http://marex.hackndev.com/cocoboot-xscale-mem.prc , tap menu -> unlock memory protection , then menu -> LCD registers and post all of it here Mar 31 19:21:21 mekius, errr ... http://marex.hackndev.com/cocoboot-xscale-dump.prc <- this one, procedure is the same as above Mar 31 19:21:35 I want to see the LCD regs dump Mar 31 19:26:08 I've got some issues to track Mar 31 19:26:22 I'll inform you abput progress Mar 31 19:33:30 marex: ok Mar 31 19:33:51 marex: Well I'm using a kernel that Sleep_Walker gave to me which I assume is for 680/centro :) Mar 31 19:34:06 Sleep_Walker, what kernel did you give him ? Mar 31 19:34:23 mekius, cdma centro might be detected differently Mar 31 19:34:41 Sleep_Walker, give him some booting T680 kernel so he can test my first assumption Mar 31 19:35:11 mekius, anyway .... did you get the LCD dump ? it should be 16 32bit numbers in hexadecimal and a few letters/symbols Mar 31 19:35:25 these arent actually LCD registers, but GPIO regs Mar 31 19:35:41 it can be used to determine what causes the problems Mar 31 19:36:02 marex: it detects as centro in cocoboot, but that was with the version you gave me yesterday Mar 31 19:36:16 i haven't got the dump yet, at work :) Mar 31 19:36:19 do you need it soon? Mar 31 19:36:33 obviously you want it soon, just wondering if I can get it to you later today or if you'll be sleeping :) Mar 31 19:36:43 nah ... I dont really care, it's you who has problems booting Mar 31 19:36:54 yeah :) Mar 31 19:37:03 i'll try to do it soon, just have to test something quick Mar 31 19:37:41 why are there 16 32-bit numbers for a 16 pin lcd? Mar 31 19:37:45 or are there more pins then that? Mar 31 19:38:29 I told you those are GPIO pins Mar 31 19:41:34 oh, all of them? Mar 31 19:42:37 mekius: try http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/kernel-2.6 Mar 31 19:42:44 it's not updated Mar 31 19:43:58 dammit, I can't find my sd card convertor Mar 31 19:45:31 that's that old that you probably need to put Treo680 number Mar 31 19:45:42 but it was first kernel known to boot Mar 31 19:46:04 boot consistently? Mar 31 19:46:26 well probably not Mar 31 19:46:29 :) Mar 31 19:48:41 dammit, where did I put that card converter... Mar 31 19:49:30 ok, apparently I left it at home Mar 31 19:49:44 don't think I can hotsync files to the card either Mar 31 19:50:00 could download them though heh Mar 31 19:51:13 so I need to switch the device to be 680 for this kernel? Mar 31 19:52:23 the number is 1230 for T680 Mar 31 19:52:28 k Mar 31 19:53:03 you'd rather keep me working on that for a while Mar 31 19:53:07 I just finished dinner Mar 31 19:53:49 stupid unstable opera mini Mar 31 19:54:02 not sure how opera mini manages to completely lock up my phone at times but it does heh Mar 31 19:54:59 probably the java runtime Mar 31 20:01:47 cant you use cardexport ? Mar 31 20:03:33 what is that? Mar 31 20:03:39 I'm on linux btw Mar 31 20:04:14 palmos app that makes palm into a flash drive Mar 31 20:04:28 ah, i'll have to check that out Mar 31 20:05:41 or card reader Mar 31 20:06:20 I have a card reader in my computer as long as I have my micro->std sd converter with me :) Mar 31 20:07:30 mekius, wow ... you must have a pretty expensive computer :) Mar 31 20:07:54 Sleep_Walker, does your IBM S/390 have card reader ? Mar 31 20:08:02 no :P Mar 31 20:11:18 marex: yes it does Mar 31 20:11:35 marex: it conains most of common hardware inside multiple times :b Mar 31 20:12:24 marex: I don't have s390, I just work with that :b Mar 31 20:12:34 it's not even in the same country Mar 31 20:13:36 I thought you have two at work Mar 31 20:13:38 ah ok Mar 31 20:14:49 marex: http://pastebin.com/d48d94ffd Mar 31 20:15:03 there ya go :) Mar 31 20:15:16 thanks Mar 31 20:15:21 and it boots even :) Mar 31 20:15:42 with 680 as the dev type Mar 31 20:15:45 Sleep_Walker, L - GPLR ; D - GPDR ; _ - GAFR_L ; ^ - GAFR_U Mar 31 20:15:48 well it gets started booting anyway Mar 31 20:15:56 Sleep_Walker, see the link ... compare to your device Mar 31 20:16:01 yep, boots fine it seems Mar 31 20:16:04 Sleep_Walker, you might be able to figure something out Mar 31 20:16:15 mekius, so it boots ? Mar 31 20:16:16 ok Mar 31 20:16:23 not too many centro cdma people around here eh? :) Mar 31 20:16:27 marex: yeah, boots up Mar 31 20:16:39 X seems to start and everything Mar 31 20:16:40 marex: I'll do Mar 31 20:17:01 no touchscreen though :) Mar 31 20:17:29 and the white screen as well : Mar 31 20:17:30 :) Mar 31 20:17:38 but it's an old kernel Mar 31 20:17:54 the newer kernel I was using had touchscreen support working well Mar 31 20:18:02 but I booted as centro Mar 31 20:18:27 mekius: but it's mine so I can see differences Mar 31 20:18:36 k Mar 31 20:18:39 if you have zImage, I can do nothing Mar 31 20:18:43 :) Mar 31 20:18:45 yes Mar 31 20:19:14 let me know if you need anything more, i'm going to do some work now :) Mar 31 20:19:42 I'm fully occupied with feeding cat ;b Mar 31 20:19:46 haha Mar 31 20:26:38 marex: so I should use this cocoboot you sent for anything he gives me right? Mar 31 20:26:49 marex: just leave it as centro for any new kernels correct? Mar 31 20:26:53 mekius, use the xscale-mem one Mar 31 20:26:57 that's the newest build Mar 31 20:27:07 k Mar 31 20:27:19 figured Mar 31 20:27:32 mekius, change the number to 1230 is the kernel is for T680, othervise the detection works well Mar 31 20:27:42 cardexport is pretty nice, too bad it's shareware : Mar 31 20:27:46 :/ Mar 31 20:28:27 marex: k Mar 31 20:28:52 Sleep_Walker: the kernels you gave me would recognize centro right? Mar 31 20:29:02 the ones from yesterday Mar 31 20:29:15 mekius: right Mar 31 20:29:20 ok good :) Mar 31 20:29:39 at least was also running on my centro Mar 31 20:29:42 Sleep_Walker, you tested them on your centro, right ? Mar 31 20:29:46 ok Mar 31 20:30:04 marex: try to find battery on Centro Mar 31 20:30:16 what battery ? Mar 31 20:30:28 it'd be connected to some ADC of WM97xx Mar 31 20:30:33 hmm, might be easier to test my centro if I just use the usb cable and unplug that instead of removing my battery all the time :) Mar 31 20:31:51 yea, centro doesnt have reset button, that sucks Mar 31 20:32:08 I was thinking about adding "enable WDT" into cocoboot for easier testing Mar 31 20:32:43 assuming it's not clearing the flag at all wherever it's getting stuck :) Mar 31 20:32:55 or resetting it rather Mar 31 20:33:48 what flag ? Mar 31 20:34:03 once the device self-resets it's all back to normal state Mar 31 20:34:32 (I hope ... the palmos loader might actually end in hell which Im afraid of, but that shouldnt be problem on centro) Mar 31 20:34:46 nvm :) Mar 31 20:34:49 I'll look into it later today Mar 31 20:49:27 sry, X died on me, weird Mar 31 20:53:56 marex: so are you mostly in charge of cocoboot then? Mar 31 21:14:15 mekius: alex created, Marex add many stuff Mar 31 21:16:12 ah Mar 31 21:16:29 just trying to figure out who everyone is so if I do ask a question I'm not annoying the wrong person :) Mar 31 21:16:41 hopefully i'll be able to dig in and help myself eventually :) Mar 31 21:16:55 currently is Marex the right choice Mar 31 21:17:52 I feel really tired now, see you tomorrow Mar 31 21:18:02 toxygen: dobrou Mar 31 21:19:28 Sleep_Walker: night :) Mar 31 21:19:54 Sleep_Walker: Mar 31 21:19:59 night Mar 31 21:25:20 * flyback has been very sick all day and it's now in his head so it looks like he has either mild food poisoning or the 24 hr bug that is going around Mar 31 21:25:45 marex: well if I use the last kernel that Sleep_Walker sent me with device set to 680 it boots, let me try it again with centro Mar 31 21:25:56 with that cocoboot you sent me that is Mar 31 21:26:12 mekius, why dont you just compile the kernel yourself ? Mar 31 21:27:01 the kernel checks what device does cocoboot set Mar 31 21:27:09 that's why you had to change that number Mar 31 21:27:32 I plan on compiling it later, Sleep_Walker sent me the patches Mar 31 21:27:32 see www.arm.linux.org,uk , somewhere there is a machine register where you can find those numbers Mar 31 21:27:57 they should be based off my centro cleanup Mar 31 21:28:09 so there shouldnt be problem Mar 31 21:28:46 let me test with 1230 again, but it booted with 1230 and I haven't been able to boot with 1944 Mar 31 21:29:12 then it's kernel for T680 if it boots with 1230 Mar 31 21:29:20 1230 = machine id of T680 Mar 31 21:29:48 if machine != treo680 ... kernel detects it and terminates itself Mar 31 21:29:53 So there is 1 kernel for every device? Mar 31 21:29:59 (this happens in the decompressor itself iirc) Mar 31 21:30:09 an cocoboot hangs when kernel terminates? Mar 31 21:30:10 mekius, you can make one kernel for multiple devices Mar 31 21:30:12 and* Mar 31 21:30:28 hmm, I guess I misunderstood him when he said it should work for centro then :) Mar 31 21:30:34 then it tests if it contains support for such machine id, if not, it dies, if it does, it boots that one Mar 31 21:30:41 k Mar 31 21:30:56 the kernels he gave me had 680 in the name so maybe they don't recognize 1944 Mar 31 21:31:05 My T|X just un-died. (c: Mar 31 21:31:15 see palmcentro.c (or palmt680.c) and imaging new machine entry at the bottom for centro ... Mar 31 21:31:20 with that it'd boot on both Mar 31 21:31:39 enthdegree, congrats, I soldered a push-button for doing dead-resets to my palmt5 Mar 31 21:32:37 marex: problem is I have no touch screen when using 680 so that's no good, I'll have to build my own and play with it later Mar 31 21:33:43 mekius, yea, and get the CDMA working too Mar 31 21:33:58 :P Mar 31 21:34:10 now that I won't have the first clue how to do :) Mar 31 21:34:59 where is the git that contains the arm-devel kernel source? Mar 31 21:35:00 supply the device with CDMA BTS Mar 31 21:35:13 Im not aware of any operator here that uses CDMA Mar 31 21:35:25 www.arm.linux.org.uk Mar 31 21:35:31 see RTFM.txt in the topic Mar 31 21:35:46 ah :) Mar 31 21:48:31 Hi again. :p Mar 31 21:56:14 If I use the latest arm kernel+wifi patch, will Wifi work on a window manager like OPIE? Mar 31 21:57:51 awww. is xchat working up again? Mar 31 21:58:56 i saw the message Mar 31 21:59:38 Oh ok good. (c: I just installed this thing on my netbook on a whim in like 3 seconds. :p Mar 31 22:00:17 I use irssi on my netty and xchat on my lappy Mar 31 22:01:51 Yeah, this is actually my sisters EEEpc that I set up for her. Mar 31 22:01:59 I Mar 31 22:02:13 've never heard of irssi. Will check out later... Mar 31 22:03:09 oc8 the irc client OF THE FUTURE Mar 31 22:09:09 How good does the T|X linux wifi work? Has it even been tried w/ a window manager yet? Mar 31 22:09:38 nah, I tested it only with some rootfs I found Mar 31 22:10:07 Still cool though. Mar 31 22:10:14 linux != (windows | ubuntu) Mar 31 22:10:24 it will work no matter if you use gui or not Mar 31 22:14:19 cool. I thought it needed some kind of integration with the network tool. Mar 31 22:14:37 as I said, this is not ubuntu nor windows Mar 31 22:19:03 Rats. I have patched the kernel source on my lptp. So now do I compile/install it right on my tx, or compile on my comp and make a 'custom' bootpack? ( Am I oversimplifying this? ) Mar 31 22:25:47 I would like to have a wifi enabled linux shell on my palm. Is this unrealistic at the moment? Mar 31 22:27:35 why ? wifi just works Mar 31 22:27:58 enigme, wait for |miska| to build you a bootpack ... I might return him his TX on friday or so Mar 31 22:29:21 I thought that I had to get some ARM kernel and patch it! Perhaps I am looking at an outdated post. It's the one called 'palmtx wifi complete/ cocoboot 6.1' Mar 31 22:29:59 yes ... you need patched palmtx kernel Mar 31 22:31:16 Does the BFU installer do all this for me? Mar 31 22:31:35 no, there isnt a bootpack with wifi yet Mar 31 22:32:16 Oh. Where can I get the patched kernel? Mar 31 22:32:45 nowhere ... get the sources (see RTFM.txt in the topic for arm:devel) and patch it Mar 31 22:34:55 marex: how big is this arm kernel repo? Mar 31 22:35:07 I don't even think it's gotten to the checking out of files yet heh Mar 31 22:35:35 still downloading git info, sheesh Mar 31 22:35:46 slow connection here at work, but figured it would get past that at least Mar 31 22:35:54 i'll have to clone it at home Mar 31 22:36:24 marex: Any of the other phones have CDMA working? Mar 31 22:36:47 dunno ... see wiki at handhelds.org Mar 31 22:36:50 you might find some Mar 31 22:36:58 better find docs to your modem though Mar 31 22:37:39 even if I get it working is it any use? Mar 31 22:37:58 not for me ;) Mar 31 22:38:00 would think I'd need keys and all kinds of crap to actually communicate with the towers heh Mar 31 22:38:33 I guess those should be in SIM or the modem itself Mar 31 22:38:54 well there is no sim for CDMA in the states :) Mar 31 22:39:13 and doubt they would put them in the modem as then it would be far too easy to just use the modem for wrongdoing :D Mar 31 22:39:30 anyway, I gotta go, doubt I'll get to CDMA stuff anytime soon if ever :) Mar 31 22:39:38 Ok, so is the 'linux 2.6.27 tree with partial palm support' the one I want for working wifi? Mar 31 22:39:43 just wondering if there is anything to base it on or if it's never been done before heh Mar 31 22:39:57 enthdegree: did you read the RTFM.txt? Mar 31 22:40:13 shows you how to get the tree you need and how to switch to the proper branch Mar 31 22:40:37 you'll also need the patches though, Sleep_Walker sent me his set earlier today Mar 31 22:40:51 I don't think I even downloaded the right thing. Mar 31 22:42:21 Which kernel do I download? Mar 31 22:44:50 Is the one sleepwalker linked to the correct one? Mar 31 22:46:08 ( The one sleepwalker linked to in the hackndev post, I mean. ) Mar 31 22:48:17 Oh well. I'll come back here when I'm not such a b00N on this subject. Mar 31 22:49:26 Thanks anyway! Mar 31 22:58:32 just wait for a bootpack Mar 31 23:01:51 Oh my word. Sorry about tht. Could not find RTFM.txt and found the link in the header thing. Mar 31 23:02:02 sorry about being so thick headed. :p Mar 31 23:02:14 it's in the topic, yes Apr 01 01:07:41 * flyback is very sick and wonders if this is it Apr 01 02:11:30 hi, I just "installed" linux on my Palm TX and I'd like to know how I can change the font size... it's so tiny, it hurts my eyes Apr 01 02:11:33 :/ Apr 01 02:11:47 is it even possible? Apr 01 02:55:42 nm I found it! Apr 01 02:55:43 yay **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 01 02:59:57 2009