**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 05 02:59:57 2009 Apr 05 03:00:56 mekius: yes Apr 05 03:01:01 because it needs to find if any changed Apr 05 03:01:07 changed version etc. etc. Apr 05 03:03:16 sigh :/ Apr 05 03:03:29 if I know they haven't there could be an option to skip it :P Apr 05 03:03:45 or a simple cache that would know which have changed with a simple hash check Apr 05 03:04:08 it does have a cache Apr 05 03:04:21 u can rebuild a specific package with Apr 05 03:04:26 bitbake -c rebuild packagename Apr 05 03:04:48 well it's failing like on the first package heh, but right now i'm trying to figure out why it's not seeing my preferred kernel Apr 05 03:05:27 seems to give some warnings about that and then move on to compiling something else Apr 05 03:05:36 I don't even need it to build a kernel, I have my own heh Apr 05 03:09:09 it will anyway because the machn conf has a kernle set Apr 05 03:09:20 kind of a requirement for the machnie build Apr 05 03:09:22 (standard) Apr 05 03:09:31 that's fine and good heh Apr 05 03:10:19 rawr! Apr 05 03:10:22 fuck this hting Apr 05 03:10:36 I have defined the dame preferred provider and it still gives me this stupid error... Apr 05 03:11:11 btw, it only says 294 packages were skipped when it did the check, am I really building like 6k packages? Apr 05 03:13:21 no Apr 05 03:13:31 i really should just package upmy build tree again Apr 05 03:13:36 so it shoudl work for you Apr 05 03:13:40 hehe Apr 05 03:13:40 i just dont have time atm Apr 05 03:13:53 well it's failing to build the first package, sigh... Apr 05 03:13:58 the debugging begins :/ Apr 05 03:14:06 hmm, I wonder Apr 05 03:14:58 how does it know which gcc to use? Apr 05 03:15:55 or does it do all the building inside qemu? Apr 05 03:18:13 it will use your gcc to build more gcc's Apr 05 03:18:16 (arm cross gcc's) Apr 05 03:18:19 and eqemu Apr 05 03:18:20 and more Apr 05 03:18:27 it only uses qemu for a few select things Apr 05 03:18:50 oh ok Apr 05 03:19:07 cause I already have an arm version of gcc installed, but I guess it can make it's own if it wants heh Apr 05 03:19:35 well a cross compiler for arm that is Apr 05 03:21:26 and the log is empty... Apr 05 03:21:39 sigh... Apr 05 03:21:57 Are they helpful in their channel? Apr 05 03:24:08 hate to keep bugging you about this, I can see you angrily typing on your keyboard as I interrupt you :P Apr 05 03:27:03 it will make its own Apr 05 03:27:08 it pretty much bootstraps itself Apr 05 03:27:22 and at times they are helpfukl Apr 05 03:27:24 when awake Apr 05 03:27:24 yes Apr 05 03:27:30 u can also try #beagle Apr 05 03:33:07 k Apr 05 03:33:21 it's just failing at the very first package and the log is empty Apr 05 03:33:29 I mean at that point I don't really know where to go :P Apr 05 06:37:03 oe is a beast Apr 05 06:37:09 finding out what is where takes a long time Apr 05 06:37:16 took me a year to get into it Apr 05 08:36:11 http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=1906978397 Apr 05 11:55:25 Sleep_Walker: hello Apr 05 11:57:36 emfox: hi Apr 05 12:00:46 Sleep_Walker: I have made gprs work Apr 05 12:01:29 Sleep_Walker: It's pretty easy, following the gsm07.07 specs Apr 05 12:02:16 Sleep_Walker, so this is him ... I see Apr 05 12:02:19 emfox, hi Apr 05 12:02:34 Sleep_Walker: but the modem seems very easy to hang, e.g, after a typing error, it will hangs Apr 05 12:02:39 marex: hello! Apr 05 12:03:28 marex: I appreicate your work very much :) Apr 05 12:03:37 emfox: cool Apr 05 12:03:59 emfox: you use that demux daemon? Apr 05 12:04:28 Sleep_Walker: no, not yet Apr 05 12:05:17 Sleep_Walker: I just using the AT compatible version of ATD Apr 05 12:05:34 emfox, hrm ... lucky someone finally does the configuration for userspace, thanks Apr 05 12:05:37 with pppd attached Apr 05 12:05:39 ? Apr 05 12:05:48 Sleep_Walker: that is, ATD*99#, after a init string Apr 05 12:06:03 Sleep_Walker: yes, I wrote them in the ppp script Apr 05 12:06:10 I see Apr 05 12:06:42 marex: I'm trying to porting one existing gsmd (or similar) to treo Apr 05 12:06:55 emfox: you're still on terminal only? Apr 05 12:07:03 emfox, well that's even better Apr 05 12:07:29 marex: the problem is, tooo many of them, I don't know which one choose to start of my work Apr 05 12:08:08 Sleep_Walker: I installed gpe and zhone from openmoko Apr 05 12:08:10 too many of what ? treos or gsmd forks ? Apr 05 12:08:31 gsmd Apr 05 12:08:58 hrm Apr 05 12:09:45 emfox: could you cover it be quick wiki entry? Apr 05 12:09:52 there are several inplements, every's not so good, so I'd choose a suitable one Apr 05 12:10:05 Sleep_Walker: for gprs? Apr 05 12:10:06 more people using userspace, more people testing kernel :b Apr 05 12:10:28 emfox: installation of userspace into debian Apr 05 12:10:44 (at least X) Apr 05 12:10:56 gprs should be commited :) Apr 05 12:11:09 Sleep_Walker: ahhh, nothing to say, just apt-get. Apr 05 12:11:15 emfox, isnt gsmd in debian already ? Apr 05 12:11:53 marex: no, I haven't found a working gsmd Apr 05 12:12:06 I havent found any using apt-cache search :) Apr 05 12:12:08 ok Apr 05 12:12:21 marex: cound you point me to a working? Apr 05 12:12:44 Sleep_Walker: ok, hnd wiki? do you use that? Apr 05 12:13:23 well, I use it for HW Apr 05 12:13:46 but I'm sure it's right place for other things Apr 05 12:13:51 Sleep_Walker: ok Apr 05 12:13:53 well it seems gsmd is obsolete Apr 05 12:14:18 marex: yes, they recommend ogsmd of freesmartphone.org Apr 05 12:14:28 Qtopia API is prefered, isn't it ? :) Apr 05 12:14:33 marex: which I am tring these days Apr 05 12:15:29 python ? Apr 05 12:15:34 Y-U-C-K Apr 05 12:15:55 marex: I think it was just for stabilising API Apr 05 12:15:56 that'd be slow as hell and resource hungry :/ Apr 05 12:16:00 Sleep_Walker, marex: do you know why gsm module often hangs, after typing error AT commands or even idle for several minutes? Apr 05 12:16:10 Sleep_Walker: yes Apr 05 12:16:23 emfox, dont you get any error response from it ? Apr 05 12:16:30 in fact, I found the fso ui very polish Apr 05 12:16:52 emfox: do you use HW or SW flow control? Apr 05 12:16:55 emfox, after several minutes, it might just go into some low power mode Apr 05 12:16:55 marex: yes, it hangs, and no any response Apr 05 12:17:17 marex: I should restart the module Apr 05 12:18:27 maybe it's not errorproof then Apr 05 12:19:38 marex: errorproof? Apr 05 12:20:06 yea ... it crashed in case of error probably Apr 05 12:20:31 so you just have to be very careful not to make any Apr 05 12:21:07 I think there is not correctly used GSM_WAKE and serial port settings Apr 05 12:21:27 and Apr 05 12:21:38 it's expecting AT+CFUN=1 as first command Apr 05 12:21:42 or it goes to sleep Apr 05 12:22:32 Sleep_Walker: I knew that,AT+CFUN=1 Apr 05 12:22:44 Sleep_Walker: and every time I did this Apr 05 12:23:07 maybe some modem reference would be great :b Apr 05 12:23:07 Sleep_Walker: that's why I ask you how to write to tty directly in a script Apr 05 12:24:08 do you use echo? :) Apr 05 12:24:10 maybe it's not a so standard gsm modem ... some command in gsm07.07 not available on it Apr 05 12:24:19 yes, ATE, isn't it? Apr 05 12:24:32 I meant unix echo :b Apr 05 12:24:47 maybe Apr 05 12:25:04 I never tried to follow that Apr 05 12:25:29 much other things to do Apr 05 12:25:36 and audio call was more important Apr 05 12:25:57 Sleep_Walker: yes, I already made that Apr 05 12:26:09 Sleep_Walker: does the asound.state file work? Apr 05 12:26:31 emfox, you can use minicom to interact with the serial port Apr 05 12:27:27 I haven't tried yet Apr 05 12:27:53 I've got some suspend issue and it seems that T680 and Centro differs Apr 05 12:27:59 marex: I always do that Apr 05 12:28:46 Sleep_Walker, GPIO 21/42 ? ;-) Apr 05 12:28:57 yea, that actually sucks Apr 05 12:28:59 Sleep_Walker: I wish suspend issue be solved recently Apr 05 12:29:00 marex: there will be more Apr 05 12:29:11 emfox: SD_POWER is found Apr 05 12:29:22 emfox: and touchscreen is being reworked Apr 05 12:29:28 err, sound Apr 05 12:29:42 I think it can solve our problen Apr 05 12:29:45 problem Apr 05 12:29:49 (I'm not sure) Apr 05 12:31:27 Sleep_Walker: so why it's not work yet? Apr 05 12:32:50 Sleep_Walker, how long did it take you to figure out the SD_POWER and touchscreen ? ;-B Apr 05 12:33:10 marex: geez, STFU Apr 05 12:33:46 emfox: there is missing right asoc driver now, there is still some work to do Apr 05 12:33:59 unfortunatelly I'm busy with other stuff today Apr 05 12:36:15 Sleep_Walker: have you built new kernel? Apr 05 12:42:15 yes, but it's not published yet Apr 05 12:42:26 I think there is missing touchscreen completely Apr 05 12:42:57 bbl Apr 05 12:43:53 Sleep_Walker, send me your latest treo680.[ch] Apr 05 12:45:24 Sleep_Walker: so... I'm waiting :) Apr 05 12:46:49 emfox, why dont you build the kernel yourself ? Apr 05 12:49:49 marex: I have no computer for daily use Apr 05 12:50:29 I see ... hmm Apr 05 12:50:59 would getting some cheap one be a problem ? Apr 05 12:51:18 marex: maybe I could try to do that on my treo... could imaging how slow it will... Apr 05 12:52:18 that's not what you want to do ;) Apr 05 12:54:43 I have no fixed place to stay yet now Apr 05 13:00:37 Sleep_Walker: does the new in git now? Apr 05 13:01:18 marex: maybe I could set a build root on a Debian developers' machine ... Apr 05 13:01:49 Sleep_Walker: I mean new codes of treo680 Apr 05 13:02:05 emfox, they probably arent Apr 05 13:02:25 but the changes arent so big ... SD_POWER is 42 on treo680, 21 on centro Apr 05 13:03:02 erm ... aSoC audio uses wm9713 instead of 9712 ... so pick the palmpxa27x asoc driver and s/9712/9713/ everywhere there Apr 05 13:03:08 should do the trick Apr 05 13:03:54 emfox, btw Im a debian user too ... nice to meet a fellow debianist after long struggle amongst those gentooists here ;) Apr 05 13:07:53 marex: is hack&dev work relating to debian? I'm afraid setting build-env on a DD's machine violates debian's policy :) Apr 05 13:08:51 why would compiling kernel for ARM machine violate debian policy ? Apr 05 13:10:29 marex: doing things not related to Debian on a "Debian's" machine may violate policy Apr 05 13:11:02 isnt there debian/arm port ? Apr 05 13:11:11 I'm overly sure there is Apr 05 13:11:31 marex: oh, right... sure Apr 05 13:11:38 :D Apr 05 13:11:39 marex: thanks for the hint Apr 05 13:11:52 http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ Apr 05 13:17:22 marex: you have newer code which differ only as you wrote, emfox does not Apr 05 13:17:36 ...you can send... Apr 05 13:18:23 Sleep_Walker, I told you twice how to do it already ... I only have some experimental code that's not suitable even for release Apr 05 13:18:52 btw as for the centro/t680 differences Apr 05 13:19:25 you can do some mfp_centro and mfp_t680 setups and one common mfp_common setup for GPIOs and then in the init function test if you have centro or t680 Apr 05 13:19:41 that's get you rid of the need to split centro and t680 into two files Apr 05 13:40:52 Sleep-Walker: the twin has come :) Apr 05 13:44:45 yes the evil one Apr 05 13:45:46 I forgot to mention I'm working also on adding OHCI support Apr 05 13:46:11 (and also bluetooth) Apr 05 13:46:25 Sleep-Walker: good Apr 05 13:46:56 I hope it will help me to locate rest of weird behaving GPIOs Apr 05 13:47:36 http://hackndev.com/trac/wiki/UsingGSMModem?version=3 Apr 05 13:47:59 Sleep-Walker, how do you connect the hub to your device ? Apr 05 13:48:10 do you have some USB reduction ? Apr 05 13:48:50 evil twin wins Apr 05 13:49:00 emfox: great Apr 05 13:49:05 please criticize it. I use wiki the first time Apr 05 13:49:41 emfox: I will when I got back home Apr 05 13:50:02 too uncomfortable through VNC Apr 05 13:50:55 marex: I've got just hotsync cable and powered hub Apr 05 13:51:14 Sleep-Walker: will u please commit the new t680 code or send it to me? Apr 05 13:51:54 Sleep-Walker, so you plugged it into some port and it works ? Apr 05 13:53:42 emfox: late today or tomorrow morning, I have to take care of my wife and do some houseworks Apr 05 13:55:23 Sleep-Walker: :) Apr 05 13:55:44 marex: mostly yes, but I need to switch between UDC and UHC Apr 05 13:55:58 well that's for sure Apr 05 13:56:17 brb Apr 05 13:56:54 Sleep-Walker, I was just unsure if all the ports are equivalent with the port you usually plug into PC ... it seems they are, ok Apr 05 13:58:50 Sleep-Walker: I report a bug, that, sometimes I click 'boot' in cocoboot, it works; and another time it just hangs and the screen fades out to all white Apr 05 14:03:39 I have to unplug the battary and reset my treo Apr 05 14:05:01 marex: UHC is possible on port2 only Apr 05 14:05:32 fortunately it's then one routed to MUC Apr 05 14:07:41 emfox: if it is 50:50, it's known problem and defining GSM GPIOs reduced that problem Apr 05 14:09:01 Sleep-Walker, no, I mean I was unsure if the ports on the USB hub were all equivalent Apr 05 14:09:20 if it is less, I know about it - I hope that correcting pin settings will fix it (wip) Apr 05 14:10:01 Sleep-Walker: Yes, 50:50. defining GSM GPIOs where? in cocoboot? Apr 05 14:11:48 emfox: kernel side, I'll give you new kernel with sources Apr 05 14:12:07 Sleep-Walker, proste me zajima, jestli ten palm muzu pripojit do toho USB HUBu do libovolne zdirky a kdyz se bude chovat jako host, tak mu budou ostatni porty k dispozici nebo jestli ten Palm musis pripojit k tomu kabelu z HUBu co se pripojuje do kompu a potrebujes nejakou specialni redukce Apr 05 14:12:10 Sleep-Walker: good Apr 05 14:12:27 *redukci Apr 05 14:12:59 emfox, btw. can I get access to the machine with build-env ? ;) Apr 05 14:13:35 marex: I'm sorry... I think that's only for DDs Apr 05 14:13:41 marex: I don't remember, I just connected it :) Apr 05 14:14:08 emfox, so how do I become one ? ;) Apr 05 14:14:23 you mean auryn? Apr 05 14:15:48 Sleep-Walker, connected it where? how ? just using the hotsync cable ? Apr 05 14:16:22 Sleep-Walker, DD = gentoo devel ... ;) Apr 05 14:17:20 marex: to apply ... Apr 05 14:18:08 marex: if you mean Debian Developer: Apr 05 14:18:33 marex: It's a little difficult: you should have debian packaging knowledges, then apply to become DD, answering sixty (or more) questions and do some packaging as the man requested, the two months (or more) later, you'll become a DD. Apr 05 14:18:54 marex: if gentoo developer (or other): I do not know :) Apr 05 14:18:59 ah ... too much work, I'll stick with the quadcore I have available Apr 05 14:19:00 emfox: it's his sort of humour :b Apr 05 14:19:39 Sleep-Walker: I realized that after typed my last return ... Apr 05 14:19:52 hehe ;) Apr 05 14:21:43 marex is ortodox debianist and can't bear that gentoo is so much better :D Apr 05 14:23:18 it was funny to hear about implementing gentoo stuff into embedded debian Apr 05 14:23:40 but, doesn't matter Apr 05 14:25:11 Sleep-Walker: I haven't meet any gentoo-specific stuff after I entering hnd Apr 05 14:26:08 it's not hnd related Apr 05 14:26:34 I heard plans on FOSDEM Apr 05 14:27:17 reducing size with compilation by hand and not enabling all functionality Apr 05 14:27:40 similar to USE flags in Gentoo Apr 05 14:28:15 they keep saying, but it is still Debian! :) Apr 05 14:29:08 I looked forward to tell it to marex :b Apr 05 14:29:22 Sleep-Walker: so happy :) I am also a orthodox deianist Apr 05 14:29:43 Sleep-Walker: But I just don't hate other distros Apr 05 14:30:22 emfox: and that differs you from marex :) Apr 05 14:30:50 he uses guns to nondebianists Apr 05 14:31:01 :) Apr 05 14:32:26 I'm pretty glad that there is armel... Apr 05 14:32:44 at least one usable system Apr 05 14:33:46 * Sleep-Walker is almost home Apr 05 14:49:31 "Home, home again, I'd like to be here, when I can..." Apr 05 14:49:51 Sleep_Walker: I have a idea that, could we port grub to treo? thus we could start linux directly Apr 05 14:50:19 emfox: well, ask marex about that Apr 05 14:50:26 but we surely don't need grub Apr 05 14:50:38 uboot Apr 05 14:50:38 any bootloader should work Apr 05 14:51:05 Sleep_Walker: oh... I do not know uboot Apr 05 14:51:22 Sleep_Walker: heard it when search info about openmoko Apr 05 14:53:07 do you want to risk loss of permanent damage of your Treo? Apr 05 14:53:23 marex: btw. metan offered me to solder JTAG to Treo680 Apr 05 14:54:56 Sleep_Walker, is it worth it ? Apr 05 14:55:05 Sleep_Walker: I think when I decide to move the fs from a root file to real partition, the possiblity has increased Apr 05 14:55:35 to no more than a real boot loader Apr 05 14:55:44 emfox: I already have partition on SDHC card Apr 05 14:55:51 it's pretty fast Apr 05 14:56:07 and I don't need SD slot for anything else if I have USB host Apr 05 14:56:16 It can only reduce boot time Apr 05 14:56:27 I've got cca 30 seconds to OPIE from PalmOS Apr 05 14:56:39 booting PalmOS is about 25 seconds Apr 05 14:57:12 Sleep_Walker: but don't you want to get rid of the 25secs? Apr 05 14:57:36 I'd rather keep palmos around myself for dev purposes Apr 05 14:57:52 If one were to actually deploy a linux phone you would of course put the bootloader right into the flash Apr 05 14:58:02 emfox: when the kernel is perfectly stable - why not Apr 05 14:58:24 I still use my phone as well heh Apr 05 14:58:47 mekius: follow emfox instructions and you can call or GPRS in Linux too ;) Apr 05 14:58:59 mekius: well, I'd rather have a look on Centro first :) Apr 05 14:59:00 I have CDMA, does that work? Apr 05 14:59:17 which instructions btw? Apr 05 14:59:39 having a hell of a time with OE atm, can't build anything since it just bombs out on the first package it tries to build heh Apr 05 14:59:39 mekius: is it connected through serial as in Treo680? Apr 05 14:59:58 Sleep_Walker: I have no idea to be honest Apr 05 15:00:11 I haven't looked at any available specs for the phone nor have I opened it up Apr 05 15:00:11 http://hackndev.com/trac/wiki/UsingGSMModem?version=3 Apr 05 15:00:24 well does treo680 have a cdma version? Apr 05 15:00:27 emfox: created it while ago Apr 05 15:00:28 or is it only gsm? Apr 05 15:00:30 Sleep_Walker: grub has multi-boot, so that's what I want :) Apr 05 15:00:35 mekius: I don't know :b Apr 05 15:00:44 yeah, those are gsm instructions, no good for me :( Apr 05 15:00:49 mekius: mine is gsm and it works Apr 05 15:01:02 mekius: I do not know anything about cdma Apr 05 15:01:02 emfox: ask marex and feed him with anime Apr 05 15:01:11 emfox: aye :) Apr 05 15:01:12 Sleep_Walker: lol Apr 05 15:01:17 emfox: maybe he can thinkout something Apr 05 15:02:27 Sleep_Walker, do we have CDMA here at all ? Apr 05 15:02:41 iirc we have just GSM and UMTS, dont we ? Apr 05 15:02:43 marex: I don't know Apr 05 15:02:55 marex: I've got EDGE only Apr 05 15:03:07 that's boosted GPRS anyway ... Apr 05 15:03:10 if kEdAR's pieces are more capable - it is possible Apr 05 15:03:18 who knows where it is from Apr 05 15:03:57 I'm sure that kEdAR's Treo680 has $ instead of € on keyboard Apr 05 15:04:08 so, maybe he has some other variant Apr 05 15:04:27 dunno Apr 05 15:04:40 but CDMA and GSM units are quite different Apr 05 15:04:50 ask Alex maybe ... they might have CDMA in OZ Apr 05 15:05:20 marex: is port uboot or grub to treo possible? Apr 05 15:05:32 s/port/porting Apr 05 15:05:37 I know Sprint has/had the palm centro too so if there is another person with a centro in the US that's about the only way we'll find one I'm guessing heh Apr 05 15:05:40 uboot - sure ... grub - something I never want to participate in Apr 05 15:06:01 emfox: you don't want grub Apr 05 15:06:19 Anyone on this project live in the US? :) Apr 05 15:06:27 mekius, just grab some CDMA BTS (or ask your operator to give you one), add centro, package it safely and send it here ;) Apr 05 15:06:31 emfox: you _DON'T_ want GRUB ;) Apr 05 15:06:33 airmail is prefered Apr 05 15:06:37 rofl, verizon won't give me anything Apr 05 15:06:39 That's a joke :P Apr 05 15:07:24 Sleep_Walker, http://www.jikos.cz/~mikulas/spad/ ;-) Apr 05 15:07:44 marex: wanna run it on Palm? :D Apr 05 15:07:55 next adept after OpenBSD ;-D Apr 05 15:08:04 marex: is it suitable for flash ? :b Apr 05 15:08:05 And verizon actually uses CDMA2000 Apr 05 15:08:19 Sleep_Walker, only in case your palm has personality disorder Apr 05 15:08:22 to be more specific :) Apr 05 15:08:31 schizoid is highly recommended ;) Apr 05 15:08:59 mekius, ok ... you'll have to climb some skyscraper and "borrow" it from Verizon then ;D Apr 05 15:09:10 Hmm, no :P Apr 05 15:09:17 "borrow" for unspecified amount of time Apr 05 15:09:22 ;-D Apr 05 15:09:56 mekius, what about buying a BTS from some other operator then ? Apr 05 15:09:59 marex: I don't know CDMA - it's not modem which is controlled by AT commands? Apr 05 15:10:17 Sleep_Walker, dunno ... that's why Im trying to get some hardware from mekius ;) Apr 05 15:10:35 mekius, we'll at least be very grateful for your donation ;) Apr 05 15:11:17 marex: What is a BTS? Apr 05 15:11:24 Sleep_Walker: IT Apr 05 15:11:30 Sleep_Walker: ok... Apr 05 15:11:35 basehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Transceiver_Station Apr 05 15:11:36 Sleep_Walker: It may be still controlled with AT commands actually Apr 05 15:11:52 marex: so, is porting uboot possible? Apr 05 15:11:57 mekius: I think so Apr 05 15:12:00 I remember doing DUN with my old phone and it would send it AT commands over that, but not sure if that was talking directly to the modem or via an emulated interface Apr 05 15:12:11 emfox: uboot was already tested on T3 two years ago Apr 05 15:12:12 DUN over bluetooth that is Apr 05 15:12:42 Sleep_Walker: what a shame ... Apr 05 15:12:55 emfox: farcaller made T3 PalmOSless :) Apr 05 15:13:52 finally someone (me :) has bought coffee! Apr 05 15:14:29 Sleep_Walker: I'd do some googling first next time. Apr 05 15:14:43 emfox, uboot runs mostly on any hardware Apr 05 15:15:01 on some it even supports framebuffer ... iirc on pxa it does Apr 05 15:15:56 marex: so if I flash uboot into treo and setting it correctly, It could be PalmOSless too? Apr 05 15:16:19 yea Apr 05 15:16:26 marex: btw. if Treo680 has that weird bootloader state, it can be used for flashing Linux, can't it? Apr 05 15:16:49 if you know how to connect to it and how to use it ... probably Apr 05 15:17:23 and it can also be used as bootloader, can't it? Apr 05 15:18:20 * Sleep_Walker would like to have LD as Linux only device Apr 05 15:18:41 as for LD ... rather reflash that 512kb ROM it has Apr 05 15:18:47 with uboot and boot from harddrive Apr 05 15:19:11 Sleep_Walker, Metan lives in the same dorm as me ? Apr 05 15:21:33 I don't know Apr 05 15:21:37 but I think so Apr 05 15:22:36 what's his real name ? Apr 05 15:34:57 Cyril Hrubis Apr 05 15:36:37 this one ? :O Apr 05 15:36:48 one of my classmates ? :O Apr 05 15:41:31 time for bed, wave all~ Apr 05 15:42:36 emfox: see you tomorrow Apr 05 15:42:48 emfox: patch and kerenl will be in few hours Apr 05 15:44:07 Sleep_Walker: see you Apr 05 15:44:41 omfg Apr 05 15:44:47 IRC client for Emacs Apr 05 16:53:59 Sleep_Walker: you're surprised? Emacs comes with two out of the box! :P Apr 05 16:55:33 enigme: not surprised with existence, I'm surprised that someone even use it :b Apr 05 16:55:47 Sleep_Walker: oh :) Apr 05 16:56:00 * enigme prefers irssi, but to each their own Apr 05 16:56:37 Sleep_Walker: what's involved in building a rootfs from scratch (say, putting together Debian with a custom kernel and whatever's required to get a touchscreen working)? Apr 05 16:59:27 enigme: use simplier words Apr 05 16:59:28 ;b Apr 05 16:59:41 Sleep_Walker: oh, sorry :) Apr 05 17:00:30 how would I make a rootfs from scratch? I'm thinking Debian + custom kernel Apr 05 17:00:56 I know Debian has an arm port, and I think I can compile a custom kernel if I have a config file Apr 05 17:01:10 I also have to get the touchscreen working Apr 05 17:01:18 just wondering what would be involved Apr 05 17:01:37 debootstrap Apr 05 17:01:52 http://hackndev.com/node/212#comment-781 Apr 05 17:02:06 try to read about debootstrap or use Alex's rootfs Apr 05 17:03:14 do you know what's in Alex's rootfs? Apr 05 17:08:45 thefts should just die Apr 05 17:09:00 they should burn in hell ... fuck :E Apr 05 17:09:04 marex: ? Apr 05 17:09:29 enigme, well Ales lent me a treo600 so I can hack on it, but he put it into my pocket for fun ... without me knowing Apr 05 17:09:59 the next day I went to the city and it fell out ... so I picked it up, but some big black car stopped by and they told me they are looking for it Apr 05 17:10:04 so I smiled and gave it to them Apr 05 17:10:19