**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 07 02:59:58 2009
Apr 07 03:38:14 * flyback is starting to despise his country
Apr 07 03:56:39 <flyback> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSwha_Ug7sk&feature=related# <--- freaking awesome :P
Apr 07 06:51:06 <Sleep-Walker> @last
Apr 07 06:51:06 <Belldandy> Sleep-Walker: [03:56:39] <flyback> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSwha_Ug7sk&feature=related# <--- freaking awesome :P
Apr 07 06:51:37 <Sleep-Walker> argh
Apr 07 11:00:09 <xMDKx> morning
Apr 07 12:53:21 <jrring> hey ppl
Apr 07 14:39:38 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: hi
Apr 07 14:39:57 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: do you use Xfbdev or common X.org?
Apr 07 14:40:19 <Sleep_Walker> I'm fighting with that debian more than I'd like :/
Apr 07 14:54:56 <emfoxzhou> X.org
Apr 07 14:55:22 <Sleep_Walker> so bigger fatter and slower brother of Xfbdev :/
Apr 07 14:55:50 <Sleep_Walker> I'm fighting with running X as service
Apr 07 14:56:04 <Sleep_Walker> it seems that it is not covered by init.d scripts
Apr 07 14:56:24 <emfoxzhou> nothing else I did, just apt-get
Apr 07 14:57:24 <emfoxzhou> what's your problem?
Apr 07 14:57:56 <Sleep_Walker> it took me a while till I found that I need to have in sources.list stable, unstable and testing at the same time
Apr 07 14:58:14 <Sleep_Walker> my problem is that Debian use different Display Manager for GPE
Apr 07 14:58:19 <Sleep_Walker> gpe-dm is missing
Apr 07 14:58:26 <marex> emfoxzhou, do you use jabber ? can you give me your jabber id ?
Apr 07 14:58:36 <Sleep_Walker> so the way of running is different
Apr 07 14:59:25 <emfoxzhou> marex: I use gtalk
Apr 07 14:59:40 <marex> what's your address then ?
Apr 07 15:01:05 <Sleep_Walker> marex: wanna forward your collection of pen1s enlargement commercials again?
Apr 07 15:01:41 <emfoxzhou> Sleep_Walker: :)
Apr 07 15:02:21 <emfoxzhou> Sleep_Walker: you build gpe yourself or use binary elsewhere?
Apr 07 15:02:49 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: I used GPE in Angstrom before
Apr 07 15:04:57 <emfoxzhou> Sleep_Walker: you can try my may: first run 'Xorg &', then run the desired one, xfce-session or such thing
Apr 07 15:05:12 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: |miska| build most of images
Apr 07 15:06:02 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: I've got `Xfbdev -screen 320x320 -mouse evdev -keybd evdev &' and matchbox-session
Apr 07 15:06:22 <Sleep_Walker> Xfbdev is really faster :)
Apr 07 15:06:27 <Sleep_Walker> but not working in Debian
Apr 07 15:06:32 <emfoxzhou> is that work?
Apr 07 15:06:42 <Sleep_Walker> or beyond my configuration and googling skills
Apr 07 15:07:00 <Sleep_Walker> I tried X.org and it worked
Apr 07 15:07:12 <Sleep_Walker> maybe I should go back :/
Apr 07 15:07:28 <emfoxzhou> hmmm, beyound my skill too, I never used Xfb
Apr 07 15:07:59 <Sleep_Walker> I think there is missing tslib as input driver, but I can be wrong
Apr 07 15:08:08 <emfoxzhou> X.org is not so slow... you should consider the feeling of 650 users :)
Apr 07 15:08:39 <emfoxzhou> if you are using sid, there's a known bug
Apr 07 15:08:57 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: I'm not debianist,
Apr 07 15:09:09 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: I'm using _something_ :)
Apr 07 15:10:50 <emfoxzhou> you used nearly everything :)
Apr 07 15:11:25 <emfoxzhou> s/TslibDevice/Device/
Apr 07 15:11:35 <emfoxzhou> I think it works
Apr 07 15:12:05 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: you're talking about X.org config?
Apr 07 15:12:17 <emfoxzhou> the newest source indicated that somebody what a unified naming
Apr 07 15:12:19 <emfoxzhou> yes
Apr 07 15:12:21 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: I started X.org succesfully
Apr 07 15:12:26 <Sleep_Walker> no problem with that
Apr 07 15:12:41 <emfoxzhou> and touch screen works?
Apr 07 15:12:42 <Sleep_Walker> but I missed testing packages, so I didn't have installed matchbox
Apr 07 15:12:48 <Sleep_Walker> yeah
Apr 07 15:12:55 <Sleep_Walker> with tslib driver
Apr 07 15:13:18 <emfoxzhou> strange... tslib in unstable has been broken
Apr 07 15:13:27 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: btw. what about mapping Esc to option+home?
Apr 07 15:13:35 <Sleep_Walker> I'm missing this key...
Apr 07 15:14:29 <emfoxzhou> not bad
Apr 07 15:14:44 * Sleep_Walker finally found '=' :)
Apr 07 15:14:56 <emfoxzhou> matchbox is not in unstable?
Apr 07 15:15:07 <Sleep_Walker> I don't know
Apr 07 15:15:13 <Sleep_Walker> that apt is so messy
Apr 07 15:15:42 <emfoxzhou> have you done 'apt-get update'
Apr 07 15:15:49 <Sleep_Walker> it shows me how much files I have on filesystem, but it doesn't tell me how many packages is left to be installed :b
Apr 07 15:15:50 <Sleep_Walker> yes
Apr 07 15:15:55 <Sleep_Walker> also dist-upgrade
Apr 07 15:17:51 <emfoxzhou> I use unstable only and things go all well...
Apr 07 15:17:58 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: that's why I asked you for some wiki page :(
Apr 07 15:19:00 <emfoxzhou> Sleep_Walker: it's a little strange that, for debian user, it's no need to write such a page
Apr 07 15:19:10 <Sleep_Walker> I know
Apr 07 15:19:21 <Sleep_Walker> but it's like writing ebuild for you
Apr 07 15:19:37 <emfoxzhou> but for others, I feel strange people will start to learn debian by treo....
Apr 07 15:20:02 <Sleep_Walker> I don't think there is needed more than some examples of config, packages to install etc
Apr 07 15:20:05 <emfoxzhou> there's tons of debian manual or starting pages
Apr 07 15:20:42 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: well
Apr 07 15:20:55 <Sleep_Walker> 1] if you want users to read much, they won't test
Apr 07 15:21:19 <Sleep_Walker> 2] If I'll have to struggle with Debian, I can't fight with kernel
Apr 07 15:21:21 <emfoxzhou> ok. I'm persuaded. I'll write some later
Apr 07 15:21:53 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: if you can, create just some tarball I can put on ext2 and use
Apr 07 15:22:32 <Sleep_Walker> but, you're on GPRS, so it's not way
Apr 07 15:22:38 <emfoxzhou> no, not recently...
Apr 07 15:23:00 <emfoxzhou> right, the problem is gprs
Apr 07 15:23:43 <emfoxzhou> I'm fighting with gsm mux all day, but little progress
Apr 07 15:24:20 <Sleep_Walker> hacking that package or configuring?
Apr 07 15:24:59 <emfoxzhou> porting a gsm0710muxd to treo
Apr 07 15:25:27 <emfoxzhou> the one working on neo freerunner
Apr 07 15:25:28 <Sleep_Walker> ok
Apr 07 15:27:11 <emfoxzhou> I have to learn much more new things, glib, dbus,vala...
Apr 07 15:27:52 <emfoxzhou> btw, how could I kick out the damn 'emfox' from the server?
Apr 07 15:29:12 <Sleep_Walker> emfoxzhou: if you have registered nickname, you can "ghost" him
Apr 07 15:29:34 <Sleep_Walker> like /ns ghost emfox <your_secret_password_here>
Apr 07 15:31:07 <emfoxzhou> then what happen?
Apr 07 15:31:44 <emfoxzhou> nick server told me successfully ghosted
Apr 07 15:31:54 <Sleep_Walker> now you can change nick
Apr 07 15:33:23 <emfox> I'm back &
Apr 07 15:33:49 <Sleep_Walker> :)
Apr 07 15:34:40 <emfox> I just got your msg from our bot
Apr 07 15:34:49 <Sleep_Walker> ah, right
Apr 07 15:35:10 <emfox> if you want start X directly, I think 'nodm' is an option
Apr 07 15:35:56 <Sleep_Walker> have you tried GPE?
Apr 07 15:37:03 <emfox> no... no suitable binarys
Apr 07 15:37:35 <emfox> you know, I have no build-env
Apr 07 15:38:21 <emfox> wait, you mean GPE in Debian?
Apr 07 15:38:45 <Sleep_Walker> yes
Apr 07 15:40:10 <emfox> not yet. the last time I install nodm right after X, and it gave me a xterm directly after reboot
Apr 07 15:42:31 <emfox> any workaround of the hwclock epoch? I refer the time start from 1939
Apr 07 15:43:42 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: it is known that PalmOS clock begins in 1901, it can probably be done in machine_init section
Apr 07 15:43:55 <Sleep_Walker> but I think that ntp would be preffered :b
Apr 07 15:47:42 <Sleep_Walker> if you can describe well why you need it, it can be added
Apr 07 15:47:56 <Sleep_Walker> but it means that you need to set clock in PalmOS
Apr 07 15:50:59 <emfox> Sleep_Walker: for a treo, it's not normal for a startup ntp
Apr 07 15:51:38 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: you can also get time from GSM network on startup, can't you?
Apr 07 15:52:45 <emfox> no, GSM networks varys... some don't support time fetching
Apr 07 15:53:08 <emfox> e.g. ChinaUnicom which I'm using
Apr 07 15:53:11 <Sleep_Walker> if you can set up time in PalmOS, you can do it in Linux, right?
Apr 07 15:53:33 <Sleep_Walker> if you set up clock in Linux, what time is in PalmOS/
Apr 07 15:53:35 <Sleep_Walker> ?
Apr 07 15:54:18 <emfox> the same, nothing changed in PalmOS
Apr 07 15:54:49 <emfox> seems linux does not affect PalmOS
Apr 07 15:55:18 <Sleep_Walker> emfox: how can that be possible? where is that time stored?
Apr 07 15:55:54 <emfox> maybe PalmOS use another place ...
Apr 07 15:57:44 <emfox> I think the most direct way is to patch hwclock to support --setepoch under arm too
Apr 07 15:58:26 <emfox> currently it's only available on Alpha
Apr 07 15:59:59 <Sleep_Walker> we already have that in old 2.6.21 kernel tree
Apr 07 16:00:20 <Sleep_Walker> I'm not sure if this belongs to arm-devel or vanilla
Apr 07 16:00:34 <Sleep_Walker> you can try
Apr 07 16:01:36 <emfox> I'd better to do more important works :) such as go asleep right now
Apr 07 16:01:57 <Sleep_Walker> good night
Apr 07 16:02:09 <Sleep_Walker> I'll give you some info about battery soon (I hope)
Apr 07 16:02:15 <emfox> see you
Apr 07 18:02:56 <marex> hm ... Im really curious about the result of rebuilding Angstrom with gcc 4.3.3, binutils 2.19.1 and glibc 2.7 :)
Apr 07 18:03:34 <marex> for now it'd be just good if the cross toolchain built OK
Apr 07 18:03:52 <mekius> I hear ya, having a hell of a time myself getting oe to work heh
Apr 07 18:04:11 <mekius> fails to build anything and gives no error log to boot :/
Apr 07 18:47:02 <marex> NOTE: Running task 268 of 487 (ID: 60, /mnt/data/OpenEmbedded/openembedded/recipes/file/file-native_4.21.bb, do_configure)
Apr 07 18:48:09 <marex> marex@rin:~$ cat /proc/loadavg
Apr 07 18:48:10 <marex> 7.42 6.05 5.07 5/155 17335
Apr 07 18:48:23 <marex> ewww .... BB_NUMBER_THREADS is cool magic :-)
Apr 07 18:48:55 <marex> it makes dual-core near to unusable if set to 2 and parallel-make set to 4 :-)
Apr 07 18:49:55 <mekius> ouch
Apr 07 18:50:11 <mekius> cores+1 not cores*2 :P
Apr 07 18:50:31 <mekius> unless you have hyperthreading, then I guess you could do cores*2
Apr 07 18:50:42 <mekius> or even cores*2+1 heh
Apr 07 18:51:20 <marex> the -j flag should be set to core+1 for optimum performance iirc. yea, but whatever
Apr 07 18:51:25 <mekius> I wish I could even get that far heh
Apr 07 18:51:28 <marex> btw do you know how Intel HT works ?
Apr 07 18:51:51 <mekius> not at a physical level, but from what I hear it's suppose to allow two threads to run on a single core in "parallel"
Apr 07 18:51:53 <marex> use this link ;) http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/Getting_started
Apr 07 18:51:58 <mekius> I did :/
Apr 07 18:52:04 <mekius> it fails on 0 of xxx
Apr 07 18:52:25 <mekius> can't even build the very first thing it needs to which is shasum-native iirc
Apr 07 18:52:30 <mekius> and the log is empty
Apr 07 18:53:01 <marex> yea, the HT allows improved usage of the CPU core ... or rather it allows you to use the core units much more
Apr 07 18:53:02 <mekius> wonder if it has anything to do with me not installing psyco
Apr 07 18:53:24 <marex> the CPU also tells you it has two cores, but that's not true
Apr 07 18:53:36 <mekius> yeah
Apr 07 18:53:43 <marex> nah ... it works without psyco
Apr 07 18:53:50 <marex> pastebin the log ;)
Apr 07 18:53:51 <mekius> That's for the sake of schedulers so that they will schedule two threads on one core
Apr 07 18:54:27 <marex> nah ... it actually behaves like dual-core ;)
Apr 07 18:54:29 <mekius> k, will pastebin shortly
Apr 07 18:55:29 <mekius> Well exactly, this way the OS treats it like two processors instead of one
Apr 07 18:55:43 <mekius> Which is how the hardware is supposedly implemented :)
Apr 07 18:56:32 <mekius> no fpu on these pxa chips?
Apr 07 18:57:20 <marex> yup, no FPU
Apr 07 18:57:31 <marex> that's why it's so slow ... but you have iWMMXt and VFP
Apr 07 18:57:39 <marex> see eg. here http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
Apr 07 18:58:14 <mekius> I see
Apr 07 18:59:00 <mekius> pastebin.com/m19a1024a
Apr 07 18:59:27 <mekius> i'm not concerned about kernel errors since i'm going to build my own kernel and modules anyway
Apr 07 19:00:26 <mekius> note the log file is empty thus why it prints nothing from the log heh
Apr 07 19:00:36 <marex> what's here /home/mekius/Misc/phone/oe/build/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/shasum-native-1.0-r1/temp/log.do_compile.4345 ?
Apr 07 19:00:39 <mekius> I've tried just building a single package as well
Apr 07 19:00:50 <marex> dang
Apr 07 19:01:15 <marex> pastebin local.conf
Apr 07 19:01:50 <mekius> wait, should local.conf be in build/conf or in openembedded/conf?
Apr 07 19:02:23 <mekius> openembedded being the git checkout folder
Apr 07 19:03:09 <marex> OpenEmbedded/build/conf/local.conf
Apr 07 19:03:30 <mekius> ah, hell, that's probably part of it
Apr 07 19:03:40 <marex> you dont have that one ?
Apr 07 19:04:13 <mekius> no, I left it where the sample conf was
Apr 07 19:04:24 <marex> then that's the problem
Apr 07 19:04:46 <mekius> just weird that it seemed to know what distro and machince I was building regardless :/
Apr 07 19:05:06 <mekius> well i'll give it a shot, hopefully it works heh
Apr 07 19:05:57 <mekius> pastebin.com/m89b6d54
Apr 07 19:06:03 <mekius> that's my local.conf
Apr 07 19:07:02 <marex> http://pastebin.com/m1f5d521b
Apr 07 19:07:15 <marex> this one's the relevant part of mine
Apr 07 19:07:53 <mekius> well it's about to start building
Apr 07 19:08:03 <mekius> I wonder if it's the BUILD_ARCH, hmm
Apr 07 19:10:24 <marex> | ../ncurses/./tty/hardscroll.c: In function '_nc_scroll_optimize':
Apr 07 19:10:24 <marex> | ../ncurses/./tty/hardscroll.c:254: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
Apr 07 19:10:24 <marex> | Please submit a full bug report,
Apr 07 19:10:24 <marex> | with preprocessed source if appropriate.
Apr 07 19:10:27 <marex> WOW :D
Apr 07 19:13:49 <mekius> ouch :P
Apr 07 19:33:46 <mekius> marex: btw, same error after moving the config and after taking out the BUILD_ARCH
Apr 07 19:36:20 <marex> use my config, that should work for you
Apr 07 19:38:05 <mekius> well i'm thinking the issue lies elsewhere
Apr 07 19:38:14 <mekius> the do_compile for this package is a single line
Apr 07 19:38:46 <mekius> $CC $CFLAGS $CXXFLAGS -o oe_sha256sum main.c sha256.c
Apr 07 19:39:53 <mekius> And CFLAGS seems a bit screwed up
Apr 07 19:39:59 <mekius> -isystem/home/mekius/...
Apr 07 19:40:15 <mekius> this system part seems weird and could screw it up I'd think
Apr 07 19:42:15 <mekius> it's also using ccache which I'm not sure where it's finding that heh
Apr 07 19:55:46 <marex> ok ... my lappy is too slow, let's use quadcore
Apr 07 19:56:13 <marex> apt-get install ccache ;)
Apr 07 19:56:27 <marex> it has sanity checker so that should be OK
Apr 07 19:59:22 <mekius> I have ccache installed
Apr 07 19:59:37 <mekius> just wondering how it determined it should use that instead of gcc directly :/
Apr 07 20:03:17 <mekius> ok, that's bizarre, it actually does build the file :/
Apr 07 20:03:47 <mekius> it's like the script itself is exiting improperly or something
Apr 07 20:10:00 <marex> mekius, rm -rf OpenEmbedded/build/tmp and load my local.conf
Apr 07 20:10:05 <marex> ;)
Apr 07 20:10:13 <marex> with that you should be OK
Apr 07 20:10:25 <marex> if it doesnt work with that one, we can try debuging further
Apr 07 20:13:11 <mekius> i'll try it, but I don't think this is a conf issue, my conf doesn't differ that much from yours and if I echo the command from do_compile and run it manually it works fine, it's weird
Apr 07 20:13:19 <mekius> but I'll try it
Apr 07 20:14:06 <marex> mekius, also, preserve the machine set to palmtt5
Apr 07 20:14:37 <marex> since if the issue is with palmt680, we'll be able to pinpoint it this way
Apr 07 20:19:15 <mekius> marex: k
Apr 07 20:20:33 <mekius> do_compile still failed :/
Apr 07 20:23:22 <mekius> so it outputs the run.do_compile.pid file right?
Apr 07 20:23:29 <mekius> well if I run that it works fine...
Apr 07 20:24:22 <mekius> unless it's actually running something different internally heh
Apr 07 20:27:46 <mekius> and again the log is empty :)
Apr 07 20:29:42 <marex> sucks
Apr 07 20:34:56 <mekius> indeed
Apr 07 20:36:58 <mekius> I mean it's the simplest thing and it just fails :P
Apr 07 20:37:19 <marex> it's pretty weird
Apr 07 20:37:24 <marex> can you give me an ssh login ?
Apr 07 20:37:32 <marex> I guess no ;-)
Apr 07 20:37:44 <mekius> well this is on my laptop so no heh
Apr 07 20:37:48 <mekius> plus I'm at work :)
Apr 07 20:38:02 <mekius> but probably wouldn't do that anyway :)
Apr 07 20:40:31 <marex> ;)
Apr 07 20:40:53 <marex> it's still weird it has issues with the native stuff
Apr 07 20:41:01 <marex> what distro do you run ?
Apr 07 20:42:02 <mekius> archlinux
Apr 07 20:42:32 <mekius> but really this seems like a very fundamental problem somewhere in their build scripts because when i run the run.do_compile.xxxx script it works so something has to be different
Apr 07 20:45:37 <marex> maybe some of your environment settings are broken
Apr 07 20:45:46 <marex> which shouldn't really affect OE though
Apr 07 20:49:25 <mekius> well it puts all the env settings into that run.do_compile.xxx script
Apr 07 20:49:45 <mekius> I'm assuming what's in that script is what OE is using
Apr 07 20:49:55 <mekius> if not then something is broken :)
Apr 07 20:50:12 <mekius> but I'll probably have to talk to one of the oe devs to figure this one out since it doesn't seem like a configuration error best I can tell
Apr 07 20:53:01 <mekius> I'm suppose to run bitbake from inside the build directory right?
Apr 07 20:54:08 <mekius> and the build directory should be in the parent directory of the oe git checkout directory?
Apr 07 20:54:24 <mekius> so build and oe.git would be in the same folder or should build be inside the oe.git dir?
Apr 07 20:56:27 <marex> mekius, join #oe ;-)
Apr 07 20:56:55 <marex> well you set PATH and BBPATH so it shouldnt matter
Apr 07 20:57:42 <mekius> true
Apr 07 21:01:25 <mekius> marex: will have to mess with this later, already wasting too much time :)
Apr 07 21:13:02 <marex> mekius, I wasted one hour using the quadcore buildhost
Apr 07 21:13:16 <marex> looks like I'll stick with working stuff
Apr 07 21:13:20 <mekius> heh
Apr 07 22:13:38 <flyback> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1389016/trigun_legato_and_the_rodericks/ <--- wouldn't you just love to do this to all the assholes in the world
Apr 07 22:53:30 * flyback goes out to get some dinner, bbl
Apr 08 02:20:24 * flyback notes the problem he's been having with mental decline is like symptoms of sleep deprevation even when he's getting 10 hrs of sleep
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