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Apr 19 03:00:07 <marex> the userspace |miska| built ... I guess
Apr 19 03:00:15 <beefxer> Angstrom/Opie is a little cumbersome
Apr 19 03:00:34 <beefxer> ok
Apr 19 03:00:36 <marex> well ... miska's rootfs ? ;)
Apr 19 03:00:46 <beefxer> haha
Apr 19 03:00:48 <beefxer> yeah
Apr 19 03:00:55 <marex> well noone else than him builds it so you can just consider it a "rootfs" ;D
Apr 19 03:01:00 <beefxer> it's complicated, so it needs a name
Apr 19 03:01:21 <beefxer> ok
Apr 19 03:01:32 <beefxer> miska's rootfs it is
Apr 19 03:03:14 <marex> darn ... this sucks ...
Apr 19 03:03:21 <beefxer> what sucks?
Apr 19 03:03:43 <marex> I'm still trying to figure out how to find where WM9712 pendown irq is connected on palmt5
Apr 19 03:04:19 <beefxer> way over my head
Apr 19 03:04:20 <beefxer> :)
Apr 19 03:04:41 <beefxer> has palm released technical data on their hardware?
Apr 19 03:04:43 <marex> I dont have a T5 I can dissect so I have to fall back to software measures
Apr 19 03:04:49 <marex> of course not
Apr 19 03:04:55 <beefxer> darn
Apr 19 03:05:25 <beefxer> don't they realize that by supporting open source development they will probably sell more units?
Apr 19 03:07:11 <beefxer> I mean, everyone buys linksys routers cuz of their open source os alternatives
Apr 19 03:36:40 <marex> dont ask me ;)
Apr 19 03:36:43 <marex> ask them
Apr 19 04:15:56 <flyback> unfrotunitely linksys uses shit parts
Apr 19 04:16:02 <flyback> like shoddy hermei capacitors
Apr 19 04:17:05 <beefxer> yep my wrt-54g has been flaky for a few years
Apr 19 04:17:26 <flyback> you can recap
Apr 19 04:17:28 <flyback> there's only like 3
Apr 19 04:17:30 <flyback> it's easy
Apr 19 06:29:37 <flyback> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-wUoDTGEhAuE/yoda_baby_funny_babies/ <--- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAH
Apr 19 08:11:50 <Sleep_Walker> morning
Apr 19 08:12:28 <tmzt> hey
Apr 19 12:30:41 <WyrM> good morning. :)
Apr 19 12:53:55 <marex> WyrM, hello ;)
Apr 19 14:02:12 <marex> hm, |miska| will be happy, that debugging connector in PalmTX has GPIO34 and GPIO39 on them, he can probably connect another vibra motor or maybe a LED or whatsoever ;D
Apr 19 14:05:25 <tmzt> debugging connector?
Apr 19 14:05:36 <tmzt> not usc etc?
Apr 19 14:05:44 <marex> http://marex.hackndev.com/handheld-hardware/
Apr 19 14:05:50 <marex> that one, see Palm T|X
Apr 19 14:07:07 <tmzt> I see, cool to have jtag
Apr 19 14:07:28 <marex> yes, but I think the pinout on hackndev.com for treo680 might be wrong
Apr 19 18:42:25 <enigme> |miska|: any luck with your palm t|x rootfs?
Apr 19 18:42:48 <enigme> if there's something I can do to help out somehow, please let me know :)
Apr 19 18:43:31 <|miska|> rootfs isn't problem ;-)
Apr 19 18:43:44 <|miska|> Working on kernel package
Apr 19 18:44:17 <enigme> how do you set up a kernel package?  download arm:devel sources, apply marex's patches, figure out how to configure, and then what?
Apr 19 18:45:37 <marex> there are no patches necessary on top of ycmiao tree
Apr 19 18:46:22 <|miska|> enigme: Than try, realize that it hangs or panics or crashes in some other way and try again :-D
Apr 19 18:46:34 <enigme> |miska|: that sounds about right :D
Apr 19 18:46:46 <marex> |miska|, how come it works well for me ?
Apr 19 18:46:53 <enigme> when I tried to compile the image with Sleep_Walker's config file, it kept crashing when trying to load
Apr 19 18:46:54 <marex> I even gave you two kernel configs
Apr 19 18:47:04 <enigme> every other boot it wouldn't make it to INIT
Apr 19 18:47:15 <enigme> then it would randomly die on something, either ldconfig or opie
Apr 19 18:49:55 <|miska|> Are you using it with partitioned card?
Apr 19 18:50:37 <enigme> yes -- I don't know enough about initramfs to set up a loopbackfs
Apr 19 18:51:42 <enigme> I was attempting to follow Sleep_Walker's instructions, and he suggested just partitioning my SD card
Apr 19 18:52:09 <|miska|> Yes, that seems like a good way to go
Apr 19 18:52:13 <enigme> so I transferred everything from your rootfs to a partitioned card (half FAT, half ext2, with a little swap; 2gb card)
Apr 19 18:52:58 <enigme> all the permissions were preserved, so there wasn't anything wrong there -- but it didn't like my kernel, I guess
Apr 19 18:57:11 <enigme> |miska|, where has your kernel been crashing?
Apr 19 19:03:40 <marex> Elleo, the one I compiled for all TX, T5 and LD wasnt crashing anywhere
Apr 19 19:03:45 <marex> enigme, ^
Apr 19 19:05:28 <enigme> marex: good news :)
Apr 19 19:12:34 <marex> enigme, do you use ycmiao kernel tree ?
Apr 19 19:13:28 <marex> you'll need this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ycmiao/pxa-linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=devel and this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ycmiao/pxa-linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=fix
Apr 19 19:13:48 <marex> pull address git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ycmiao/pxa-linux-2.6.git
Apr 19 19:16:53 <enigme> marex: I was using http://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/kernel/git-cur/linux-2.6-arm.git/ (from your RTFM.txt file)
Apr 19 19:17:08 <marex> that doesnt contain touchscreen fix yet
Apr 19 19:17:16 <enigme> touchscreen fix?
Apr 19 19:17:28 <enigme> I haven't touched this recently, because I'm busy with exams and other schoolwork
Apr 19 19:17:44 <enigme> thanks for the link, good to know :)
Apr 19 19:18:47 <marex> recent patch that got accepted into the kernel broke touchscreen driver ... there's a fix for it
Apr 19 19:34:05 <enigme> |miska|: in setting up your new T|X kernel and rootfs, do you need to install additional software to let the wifi and bluetooth work, or can you just use the old rootfs you had posted?
Apr 19 19:35:21 <|miska|> To get wifi, you can use image from auryn as sleepwalker probably already instructed you
Apr 19 19:35:34 <|miska|> You just need to include your firmware
Apr 19 19:36:05 <|miska|> bluetooth isn't easilly working with new kernel
Apr 19 19:36:35 <enigme> hm, Sleep_Walker didn't mention an image from auryn.  where would I find that?
Apr 19 19:37:09 <|miska|> http://auryn.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/oe
Apr 19 19:37:18 <|miska|> pick the latest one
Apr 19 19:38:40 <enigme> testing, or stable?
Apr 19 19:38:55 <enigme> oh, d'oh
Apr 19 19:39:00 <enigme> there's actually a "latest" option
Apr 19 19:40:00 <enigme> is zImage-2.6.21-hnd3-r0-palmtx.bin the kernel?  if so, does it have the wifi support?
Apr 19 19:40:07 <enigme> sorry to bother you so much :)
Apr 19 19:41:14 <|miska|> No it doesn't
Apr 19 19:42:48 <enigme> hmm.  thanks
Apr 19 19:44:16 <tmzt> this of any use? http://git.marvell.com/?p=mwl8k.git;a=log
Apr 19 19:44:20 <|miska|> Maybe it would be better to start with t680 image
Apr 19 19:45:28 <tmzt> sorry, that wasn't intended as an answer to the question
Apr 19 19:45:58 <tmzt> just wondering if sdio could be added to it
Apr 19 19:47:19 <tmzt> marex: would you know where current pxa work is, I can only find stuff a year old on ycmiao kernel.org
Apr 19 19:48:12 <enigme> tmzt: marex disconnected a little while ago
Apr 19 19:48:21 <enigme> (half an hour or so)
Apr 19 19:49:46 <|miska|> tmzt: 21:13 < marex> you'll need this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ycmiao/pxa-linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=devel and this  http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ycmiao/pxa-linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=fix
Apr 19 20:07:04 <tmzt> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ycmiao/pxa-linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=fix
Apr 19 20:07:21 <tmzt> WM: ?
Apr 19 20:08:10 <tmzt> that's it, thank you
Apr 19 20:08:24 <tmzt> |miska|: what's your weblog?
Apr 19 20:08:39 <|miska|> weblog?
Apr 19 20:08:46 <tmzt> blog
Apr 19 20:08:53 <tmzt> with the tx stuff
Apr 19 20:09:31 <|miska|> I didn't post anything there since long time...
Apr 19 20:10:01 <tmzt> yeah ok but do you have url?
Apr 19 20:10:21 <tmzt> trying to remeber some wifi stuff that was on there
Apr 19 20:10:28 <|miska|> It's http://miska-hnd.blogspot.com
Apr 19 20:10:34 <tmzt> thanks
Apr 19 20:11:43 <|miska|> But I'm posting more frequently here http://www.ohloh.net/p/hackndev
Apr 19 20:12:04 <|miska|> But it's not so frequent either :-(
Apr 19 20:36:31 <Sleep_Walker> sorry, I was gone
Apr 19 20:37:01 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: ping
Apr 19 21:14:39 * flyback bbl
Apr 19 21:31:28 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: pong
Apr 19 21:32:09 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: what was the problem?
Apr 19 21:35:10 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: oh, I was asking |miska| about his rootfs/kernel and explained what you had suggested doing
Apr 19 21:35:28 <enigme> I haven't had time to do anything since you were helping me (exams)
Apr 19 21:35:29 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: solved?
Apr 19 21:35:57 <Sleep_Walker> good luck with exams
Apr 19 21:36:11 <enigme> well, I've been pointed in the direction of some more-up-to-date rootfs images, but the kernel there doesn't have wifi support (and apparently bluetooth is difficult to get working with the new kernels)
Apr 19 21:36:15 <enigme> thanks :)
Apr 19 21:36:40 <enigme> marex suggested a different git repo for the kernel, and I've a functioning Debian VM with a crosscompiler
Apr 19 21:37:14 <enigme> so now I need to set up the kernel and figure out how to make it tick
Apr 19 21:37:16 <enigme> :)
Apr 19 21:37:34 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: I'll create up-to-date GIT repo soon with bluetooth covered
Apr 19 21:37:42 <Sleep_Walker> (not for mainline)
Apr 19 21:38:16 <enigme> I guess the main issue is figuring out why my kernel kept crashing
Apr 19 21:38:39 <enigme> it made it as far as ldconfig and then died, and when I removed that from the init scripts it crashed at opie
Apr 19 21:38:57 <enigme> so I don't know if the problem was my kernel or the rootfs (maybe the rootfs isn't compatible with that kernel or something)
Apr 19 21:39:08 <enigme> with |miska|'s suggested rootfs I should be able to figure something out, I guess :)
Apr 19 21:39:16 <Sleep_Walker> ok
Apr 19 21:39:43 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: I saw your posting on hackndev.com and you mentioned using Debian on your palm... how did you get it working?
Apr 19 21:40:31 <Sleep_Walker> http://hackndev.com/trac/wiki/DebianOnTreo680
Apr 19 21:43:11 <enigme> thanks.  I guess I'll just wait until someone posts a T|X kernel and rootfs that work with wifi and bluetooth, so I have a starting point
Apr 19 21:43:27 <enigme> then try to get emdebian working from there
Apr 19 21:54:14 <marex> Sleep_Walker, dont you have that zImage from linuxexpo available somewhere ?
Apr 19 22:03:46 * flyback going to be gone or reduced idling for a few days, gotta clean up all the s*** in his room for a new bed
Apr 19 22:13:21 <Sleep_Walker> marex: it's published
Apr 19 22:15:04 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: what's this zImage?
Apr 19 22:15:18 <enigme> er, what's *in* this zImage?
Apr 19 22:16:23 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: all but bluetooh
Apr 19 22:16:27 <Sleep_Walker> tooth
Apr 19 22:16:35 * Sleep_Walker is sleepwalking
Apr 19 22:16:38 <Sleep_Walker> too tired today
Apr 19 22:16:40 <enigme> aren't we all :D
Apr 19 22:16:46 * enigme knows what you mean
Apr 19 22:17:07 <enigme> can I get that zImage?  if it's got WiFi, it's a huge step in the right direction :)
Apr 19 22:17:33 <Sleep_Walker> it's published to say to all I've got kernel with wifi support and I don't want to share :b
Apr 19 22:17:54 <enigme> s/can I get/*where* can I get/ :)
Apr 19 22:18:29 * enigme needs a better quality net connection, one that doesn't lag so badly
Apr 19 22:18:41 <enigme> ssh + irssi + lag = messy
Apr 19 22:24:18 <enigme> ok, my network connection is working now :)  Sleep_Walker, where can I get your kernel?
Apr 19 22:25:04 <Sleep_Walker> sleepwalker.hackndev.com/release/...
Apr 19 22:25:45 <enigme> <http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/release/TX/linux-2.6-arm/partition/1/zImage.TX.sw1>?
Apr 19 22:26:46 <Sleep_Walker> right
Apr 19 22:27:21 <enigme> hmm, same name as the one you compiled for me last time I was trying to get things working
Apr 19 22:27:49 <enigme> it still requires partitioning the card, right?
Apr 19 22:30:03 <Sleep_Walker> yes
Apr 19 22:30:05 <Sleep_Walker> the only way
Apr 19 22:30:22 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: same name - I didn't rise build number
Apr 19 22:30:45 <enigme> same build number, different kernel?
Apr 19 22:31:02 <Sleep_Walker> yes
Apr 19 22:31:04 <enigme> thanks again Sleep_Walker :)
Apr 19 22:31:08 <Sleep_Walker> np
Apr 19 22:31:34 <Sleep_Walker> sorry if provided info is invalid - connection fingers <--> brain is laggy and unstable
Apr 19 22:31:48 <enigme> :)
Apr 19 22:59:01 * enigme starts extracting one of the auryn images and sees abiword and doom scroll by in the list of extracted files
Apr 19 23:10:44 <Sleep_Walker> enigme: that is probably GPE image
Apr 19 23:10:52 <Sleep_Walker> good nite folks
Apr 19 23:10:58 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: it is, and it seems to be working
Apr 19 23:11:01 <enigme> it made it past INIT!
Apr 19 23:11:08 <Sleep_Walker> :)
Apr 19 23:11:09 <enigme> I'm watching it configure gnome-vfs
Apr 19 23:11:22 <enigme> sweet dreams and thanks for your help :D
Apr 19 23:11:25 * enigme crosses fingers
Apr 19 23:11:31 <Sleep_Walker> don't forget to dump firmware in cocoboot and place that files into /lib/firmware
Apr 19 23:11:35 <enigme> yes, I just did
Apr 19 23:11:44 <Sleep_Walker> ok, I can finally rest :b
Apr 19 23:11:58 <enigme> hard-earned and well-deserved
Apr 19 23:12:04 <enigme> ;)
Apr 19 23:12:42 <enigme> so many errors and warnings
Apr 19 23:17:20 <enigme> what's the root password?
Apr 19 23:19:08 <enigme> oh, "hackndev"
Apr 19 23:23:46 <mpannen> I am hoping to install cocoboot/linux on a treo 755p, if anyone is working on this or can provide me a starting point let me know..I have some linux skills but no hardware hacking skills...though I think I can learn it with some guidance..thanks!
Apr 19 23:38:22 <natwrkz> sleep_walker, how are your devices listed in fstab
Apr 20 00:17:32 <flyback> http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details_new.php?seriesid=2008-D-52019|2008-D-69453&semesterid=2008-D <--- good shit on why electric cars didn't work but hybrids could, why nuke power is fairly safe etc
Apr 20 01:22:51 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: no go.  this kernel crashes constantly and I can't get wifi to work :(
Apr 20 01:23:40 <enigme> Sleep_Walker: the device dims the display (sleep mode) and crashes instantly, have to do a hard reset -- any ideas?
Apr 20 02:02:56 * flyback asks if anyone doesn't trust paypal enough not to use it, he needs to pay someone via paypal and is thinking of backing the account with a cc instead of with bank account because of the horror stories of paypal freezing accounts whenever dispute
Apr 20 02:05:24 * flyback trust the seller 100%, he doesn't trust paypal :P
Apr 20 02:21:49 <flyback> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=128807
Apr 20 02:22:36 <flyback> that's what we wrong with recent seagate 7200.11 series
Apr 20 02:40:48 * flyback fucking hates that no linux program can match winSCP yet
Apr 20 02:59:25 <tmzt> huh?
Apr 20 02:59:38 <tmzt> what are you trying to do?
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