**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 29 02:59:56 2009
Jun 29 04:19:53 <fahhem> long time no see, yet again
Jun 29 04:20:13 <fahhem> Sleep_Walker, i hear you're having trouble with a slow LD microdrive
Jun 29 04:21:11 <fahhem> just so happens my LD is dead (i'm hoping its just the power button, but idk) and I had bought a fast non-HD CF card for it that worked. I can give it to you if you're interested
Jun 29 04:21:24 <fahhem> it boots up from that card (when it worked) in maybe 30 seconds
Jun 29 06:20:15 <Sleep_Walker> fahhem: yeah, I did the same :)
Jun 29 06:20:32 <Sleep_Walker> but having only 4gbs for data - it sucks :)
Jun 29 06:21:00 <Sleep_Walker> I'd preffer PalmOS-less device with 32 GB CF
Jun 29 06:21:23 <fahhem> well, you can use my dalBoot if you add the code for booting linux
Jun 29 06:21:53 <fahhem> so far it can read a file from a FAT32 filesystem, so if you just need to load the kernel and execute it, its possible
Jun 29 06:22:30 <fahhem> i never looked into the kernel loading code of Cocoboot, but the ARM-based should be copy-pastable with minor changes
Jun 29 06:41:47 <Sleep_Walker> fahhem: but with dalBoot I still have to use some PalmOS stuff, don't I?
Jun 29 06:42:09 <fahhem> not that i know of
Jun 29 06:42:22 <Sleep_Walker> where dalBoot is located?
Jun 29 06:42:53 <fahhem> the PalmOS kernel is changed to skip from the beginning to the dalBoot portion, then dalBoot has a choice of returning to POS or launching the kernel
Jun 29 06:43:28 <fahhem> dalBoot is put at the end of the POS kernel booting code, which can be removed if you don't want POS at all
Jun 29 06:44:30 <Sleep_Walker> it sounds really great
Jun 29 06:45:13 <Sleep_Walker> and - that PalmOS part, which fails to boot on LD from bigger card than 4Gb is later?
Jun 29 06:45:13 <fahhem> do you know how cocoboot works?
Jun 29 06:45:19 <Sleep_Walker> fahhem: yes
Jun 29 06:45:22 <Sleep_Walker> mostly
Jun 29 06:45:49 <fahhem> here's the file layout:
Jun 29 06:45:49 <fahhem> (jump to dalBoot) (POS kernel boot code) (dalBoot code)
Jun 29 06:46:31 <fahhem> so if you want, you can remove the POS kernel portion and the jump-to portion, just have dalBoot
Jun 29 06:46:55 <Sleep_Walker> I have to read more about that - do you have some resources?
Jun 29 06:47:01 <fahhem> then dalBoot can load the linux kernel
Jun 29 06:47:27 <fahhem> no, this is just stuff i've picked up from talking to BobOfDoom and working on dalBoot itself
Jun 29 06:48:40 <Sleep_Walker> ok, well, I'll have a look on that
Jun 29 06:49:53 <fahhem> i'm not sure where dalBoot's git repo is these days
Jun 29 06:50:21 <fahhem> the git servers have moved around so often and gone down a few times, it was on git. then git2. then dissappeared
Jun 29 06:50:51 <Sleep_Walker> strange
Jun 29 06:50:58 <Sleep_Walker> I thought I have it somewhere
Jun 29 06:51:09 <fahhem> it looks like git2 doesn't have a web interface these days
Jun 29 06:51:22 <fahhem> i can email you the latest version of it
Jun 29 06:51:42 <fahhem> i was the last person to make a change to it
Jun 29 06:51:46 <Sleep_Walker> it would be nice of you
Jun 29 06:52:28 <Sleep_Walker> my_current_nick@our_server
Jun 29 06:53:52 <fahhem> oh right, those emails
Jun 29 06:54:50 <Sleep_Walker> hmmm, so partitioning looks like [begin],boot stuff,FAT32,whatever?
Jun 29 06:55:35 <Sleep_Walker> or dalBoot gives me choice how to boot?
Jun 29 06:55:58 <Sleep_Walker> maybe I can still have dual boot, but boot Linux as default
Jun 29 06:56:10 <fahhem> partioning?
Jun 29 06:56:16 <fahhem> its just one file
Jun 29 06:56:33 <Sleep_Walker> but where?
Jun 29 06:56:38 <Sleep_Walker> where it is located?
Jun 29 06:56:41 <fahhem> dalBoot right now can only return to the POS kernel, but it can successfully read a file
Jun 29 06:56:49 <fahhem> its one of the main files on the HD
Jun 29 06:57:04 <fahhem> there are scripts to put dalBoot into the file
Jun 29 06:57:35 <Sleep_Walker> heh, I'm lost a bit
Jun 29 06:57:46 <Sleep_Walker> well, if you buy shiny new LD
Jun 29 06:59:31 <Sleep_Walker> I have somewhere image of HDD, I'll check its partitioning
Jun 29 06:59:50 <fahhem> oh, we never touched partionining
Jun 29 07:00:01 <fahhem> its the normal, broken partioning
Jun 29 07:02:30 <fahhem> ok, so what happens is you write a new rom-partition entirely to your CF drive
Jun 29 07:03:09 <fahhem> which uses my modrom project to create it using the modified BigDAL.prc file (this is the one i was talking about with the kernel and jump code)
Jun 29 07:04:32 <fahhem> man, this is nostalgia looking at modrom and dalboot
Jun 29 07:04:41 <fahhem> long time no develop, my friends
Jun 29 07:04:42 <Sleep_Walker> :)
Jun 29 07:05:10 <Sleep_Walker> I see
Jun 29 07:06:19 <Sleep_Walker> I can imagine booting PalmOS, only with Voice Record button pressed or similar
Jun 29 07:06:36 <fahhem> yeah, that was one of the possible configurations we had in mind
Jun 29 07:06:47 <fahhem> however, this requires having a configuration file read
Jun 29 07:07:16 <fahhem> however, i have no clue how to properly read or even write the specs for a config file
Jun 29 07:07:34 <Sleep_Walker> what configuration? what for?
Jun 29 07:07:37 <fahhem> so everytime i came back to dalboot, i went off into the internet looking for some compact, efficient code for that
Jun 29 07:07:50 <fahhem> so you could configure it to load only when you hold a button
Jun 29 07:07:59 <fahhem> or to wait so many seconds before it loads
Jun 29 07:08:08 <Sleep_Walker> why not to hard code it?
Jun 29 07:08:12 <fahhem> or to give certain options to the kernel before it loaded, like a safe mode
Jun 29 07:08:26 <fahhem> because hard-coding it makes it only useful to me, not to hackndev
Jun 29 07:10:58 <Sleep_Walker> hmmm, so you'd like to have dalBoot modified once and change configuration only... hmmm, probably good choice
Jun 29 07:11:24 <Sleep_Walker> it's written in C without PalmOS API, right?
Jun 29 07:11:48 <fahhem> yeah, it doesn't even care about POS
Jun 29 07:14:40 <Sleep_Walker> fahhem: ok, HDD has 3 partitions - FAT16, Empty, W95 FAT32
Jun 29 07:14:59 <fahhem> yeah, so?
Jun 29 07:15:01 <Sleep_Walker> PalmOS is in the first one?
Jun 29 07:15:18 <fahhem> hmm, i don't think so, but lemme see
Jun 29 07:15:53 <Sleep_Walker> you're probably most experienced about LD HDD contents so I have to ask and learn :)
Jun 29 07:17:20 <fahhem> its been a while though
Jun 29 07:18:57 <fahhem> ok, i think this is what's up
Jun 29 07:19:17 <fahhem> there's a header at the beginning of the Fat16 partition that says how the POS kernel is set up
Jun 29 07:19:38 <fahhem> which has a length attribute that has to change for dalBoot to be recognized
Jun 29 07:19:49 <fahhem> step back a sec
Jun 29 07:20:21 <fahhem> the LD when it loads, at some point it runs code that puts the POS kernel (BigDAL.prc) into memory from the first partition
Jun 29 07:20:54 <fahhem> to do so, it has to figure out where and how much the kernel is, so it looks at the first two sectors of the HD
Jun 29 07:22:28 <fahhem> then it loads it and jumps to the beginning of the code
Jun 29 07:23:34 <fahhem> where dalboot has put an instruction to skip the POS kernel and go to our code
Jun 29 07:26:40 <Sleep_Walker> wife...
Jun 29 07:27:22 <fahhem> its cool
Jun 29 07:28:07 <fahhem> so to cut out the POS kernel, just a few lines of Python code'll remove it and then everything _should_ work, emphasis on the underscores
Jun 29 07:30:42 <Sleep_Walker> I see
Jun 29 07:31:32 <fahhem> but for now we should focus on adding linux kernel boot code to dalboot, which requires me emailing you the zip archive of the folder, one sec
Jun 29 07:37:11 <fahhem> its sent
Jun 29 07:37:17 <fahhem> no wait, nvm
Jun 29 07:38:35 <Sleep_Walker> I'll prepare some tea and coffee
Jun 29 07:38:42 <fahhem> haha
Jun 29 07:38:49 <fahhem> the modrom zip is 40MB...
Jun 29 07:39:42 <Sleep_Walker> would you prefer netcat?
Jun 29 07:41:07 <fahhem> i'm checking if i need to include the unzipped lifedrive update 2 in the zip
Jun 29 07:41:16 <Sleep_Walker> :)
Jun 29 07:41:26 <Sleep_Walker> well, I'd rather have it
Jun 29 07:41:41 <Sleep_Walker> last time I downloaded it was in SIT or EXE
Jun 29 07:42:40 <fahhem> what?
Jun 29 07:44:32 <Sleep_Walker> LD update 2 was in .sit for Mac and .exe for PC
Jun 29 07:44:47 <fahhem> yeah, but modrom downloads it and extracts it all for you
Jun 29 07:45:13 <Sleep_Walker> ah
Jun 29 07:45:40 <Sleep_Walker> hmmm, I have some version of modrom
Jun 29 07:45:43 <fahhem> ok, its down to just 2MB
Jun 29 07:46:07 <fahhem> that's the one project for hackndev i made from scratch, but i barely remember how it works
Jun 29 07:46:18 <fahhem> sorry, 3MB
Jun 29 07:46:35 <Sleep_Walker> np
Jun 29 07:47:46 <fahhem> down to 400KB
Jun 29 07:47:51 <fahhem> finally sent
Jun 29 07:47:52 <Sleep_Walker> 03f157d9b126df70daf4f1f22080cd899594a8e7
Jun 29 07:48:03 <Sleep_Walker> this is last GIT revision I have
Jun 29 07:48:16 <fahhem> how did you find that?
Jun 29 07:48:25 <Sleep_Walker> git log
Jun 29 07:48:46 <Sleep_Walker> heh
Jun 29 07:48:58 <fahhem> yeah, that's the latest one
Jun 29 07:48:58 <Sleep_Walker> I already modified it a bit - not to download every time
Jun 29 07:49:07 <fahhem> it downloaded every time?
Jun 29 07:50:01 <Sleep_Walker> it looked so
Jun 29 07:50:22 <fahhem> i see, ok
Jun 29 07:50:30 <fahhem> thanks for the patch, i'll incorporate it
Jun 29 07:50:52 <fahhem> but its not in the hnd git server at git.hackndev.com so i'll have to wait to commit it
Jun 29 07:50:52 <Sleep_Walker> np
Jun 29 07:51:24 <Sleep_Walker> is there any reason to have it on git2.hackndev.com instead of git.hackndev.com?
Jun 29 07:54:09 <fahhem> not that i know of
Jun 29 07:54:25 <fahhem> git2 used to be git, but i think the original git2 (now just git) became more useful?
Jun 29 07:56:52 <fahhem> the postmaster says your email address doesn't work
Jun 29 07:57:01 <fahhem> you said "yournick@thisproject.com" ?
Jun 29 07:57:44 <Sleep_Walker> I have to go to work
Jun 29 07:57:59 <fahhem> ok, sent it, should work this time
Jun 29 07:58:01 <Sleep_Walker> will you be so kind and add modrom to our GIT?
Jun 29 07:58:09 <fahhem> i don't know how
Jun 29 07:58:16 <Sleep_Walker> ok, I'll tell Farcaller
Jun 29 07:58:19 <fahhem> k
Jun 29 07:58:28 <Sleep_Walker> I'll be here in cca 2 hours
Jun 29 07:58:32 <fahhem> that's what i wrote in the email :)
Jun 29 07:58:38 <fahhem> i'll be asleep by then, good night
Jun 29 07:59:02 <Sleep_Walker> gn :)
Jun 29 15:25:32 <Sleep_Walker> fahhem: repos added
Jun 29 19:18:21 <fahhem> sweet!
Jun 29 21:35:53 * flyback bbl
Jun 30 01:21:43 * flyback bbl going to get some dinner
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