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Jul 12 00:45:12 <marex> tmzt: did you get my PM ?
Jul 12 00:45:54 <tmzt> yes
Jul 12 00:45:57 <tmzt> hey
Jul 12 00:46:13 <tmzt> I'm thinking about working on something like webos
Jul 12 00:46:30 <marex> ewww, webos disgusts me
Jul 12 00:46:30 <tmzt> I laid it out yesterday in #htc-linux
Jul 12 00:46:43 <marex> you mean like replacement or clone of webos ?
Jul 12 00:46:46 <tmzt> why?
Jul 12 00:46:48 <tmzt> yes
Jul 12 00:46:54 <tmzt> part of it
Jul 12 00:47:08 <marex> hm, enjoy that ... not my cup of tea
Jul 12 00:47:36 <tmzt> what don't you like about it, I'm seeking input from everybody
Jul 12 00:47:54 <marex> I dont like Palm Inc.
Jul 12 00:48:01 <marex> and since recently more then ever
Jul 12 00:48:15 <marex> and this web-based crap is too hardware hungry
Jul 12 00:48:23 <tmzt> but the architecture
Jul 12 00:48:51 <tmzt> well, the way I see it is we need all of that to have proper web browsing
Jul 12 00:49:06 <tmzt> we need a working browser I mean
Jul 12 00:49:22 <tmzt> for open projects on modern hardware
Jul 12 00:50:18 <marex> Im open for modern hardware donations
Jul 12 00:50:31 <marex> being stuck at pxa250-270 is quite bothersome
Jul 12 00:51:12 <tmzt> yes
Jul 12 00:51:33 <tmzt> what, you have 680/centro?
Jul 12 00:51:51 <tmzt> hey, kaisers are getting cheap
Jul 12 00:52:56 <tmzt> armv6 is an improvement, not quite cortex though
Jul 12 00:53:00 <marex> no, I dont have interest in those palm with GSM
Jul 12 00:53:22 <tmzt> what does that mean?
Jul 12 00:53:28 <tmzt> palm with gsm
Jul 12 00:53:33 <marex> TC, T3 TX T5 LD
Jul 12 00:53:38 <tmzt> right
Jul 12 00:53:40 <marex> maybe some others ...
Jul 12 00:53:41 <marex> TE2
Jul 12 00:53:45 <tmzt> but all pxa/omap1
Jul 12 00:53:50 <marex> and the Z2
Jul 12 00:53:52 <marex> yes
Jul 12 00:54:01 <marex> the problem with PDA is you dont have docs
Jul 12 00:54:24 <tmzt> I got a tt, haven't done anything with it
Jul 12 00:54:30 <marex> and reverse engineering wince is not my cup of tea
Jul 12 00:54:41 <tmzt> ah
Jul 12 00:54:46 <tmzt> so palmos?
Jul 12 00:54:50 <marex> no
Jul 12 00:55:04 <marex> if you have docs, it's fun to write drivers
Jul 12 00:55:08 <tmzt> then I'm lost, what do you want?
Jul 12 00:55:14 <marex> if you dont have, you are stuck for a long time
Jul 12 00:55:19 <tmzt> yes
Jul 12 00:55:23 <tmzt> like msm audio
Jul 12 00:55:28 <marex> which is bothersome
Jul 12 00:55:37 <marex> and people quicky loose interested
Jul 12 00:55:49 <tmzt> which is why I want to do infrastructure stuff right now
Jul 12 00:55:55 <marex> therefore I want some platform that's not supported, but documetned
Jul 12 00:56:04 <marex> *documented
Jul 12 00:56:07 <tmzt> like?
Jul 12 00:56:12 <marex> which Z2 is :-)
Jul 12 00:56:23 <tmzt> oh, zipit
Jul 12 00:56:26 <tmzt> not Palm
Jul 12 00:56:33 <tmzt> but very underpowered
Jul 12 00:56:33 <marex> Z2 ... zipit, yes
Jul 12 00:56:38 <tmzt> and not a phone
Jul 12 00:56:47 <marex> but the form factor is nice
Jul 12 00:56:49 <tmzt> I was getting Zire for some reason
Jul 12 00:56:57 <tmzt> sure
Jul 12 00:57:01 <tmzt> what soc?
Jul 12 00:57:05 <marex> pxa270
Jul 12 00:57:09 <tmzt> okay
Jul 12 00:57:17 <marex> and it's nearly ready for mainline
Jul 12 00:57:20 <tmzt> good docs
Jul 12 00:57:24 <marex> then I can switch to another plaform
Jul 12 00:57:24 <tmzt> cool
Jul 12 00:57:36 <marex> yes, and aeronix (zipit maker) is very supportive to FOSS movement
Jul 12 00:57:53 <marex> that's how a corp making linux devices should be
Jul 12 00:57:56 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 12 00:58:04 <marex> not like Palm
Jul 12 00:58:13 <tmzt> except the ui closed
Jul 12 00:58:19 <tmzt> what do you mean?
Jul 12 00:58:23 <marex> you mean in zipit ? who cares
Jul 12 00:58:26 <tmzt> Palm now or before?
Jul 12 00:58:34 <marex> well the people from Palm at both times were rude at me
Jul 12 00:58:52 <tmzt> ti has supported omap3 well
Jul 12 00:58:54 <marex> and now they were even violating GPL without fear ... they were more like laughing at it
Jul 12 00:58:59 <tmzt> other than sgx it's open
Jul 12 00:59:09 <tmzt> now when?
Jul 12 00:59:20 <marex> recently ... when they released Pre
Jul 12 00:59:24 <marex> I had some talk with them
Jul 12 00:59:28 <marex> Im disgusted by them
Jul 12 00:59:45 <tmzt> something private, I see
Jul 12 01:00:13 <tmzt> they have been nice in the channel, won't help us much but comment when we find something
Jul 12 01:00:37 <tmzt> I don't know what/who you talked
Jul 12 01:00:47 <tmzt> they did delay the source release a bit
Jul 12 01:01:39 <marex> yes, they should just go bankrupt already
Jul 12 01:02:17 <marex> Palm IS NOT a FOSS friendly corp ...
Jul 12 01:02:35 <marex> they are at the opposite side of scale compared to aeronix
Jul 12 01:02:49 <marex> (and many others - fic etc.)
Jul 12 01:24:04 <tmzt> I'm sure there are some incongruaties within the company
Jul 12 01:24:22 <tmzt> but the released a commerical device which allows enabling root access with a "cheat code"
Jul 12 01:25:06 <tmzt> the kernel can be replaced by copying a uImage to /boot
Jul 12 01:26:36 <marex> replaced with what ? the patches they released were just to close someone's mouth
Jul 12 01:26:41 <marex> they are mostly crap
Jul 12 01:27:19 <tmzt> well, the sell the device with that kernel from what I've seen
Jul 12 01:27:40 <tmzt> what can I say
Jul 12 01:27:41 <marex> have you tried compiling it or something ?
Jul 12 01:28:03 <tmzt> until we can create hardware ourseleves we get what industry provides
Jul 12 01:28:08 <tmzt> and we pay for it
Jul 12 01:28:18 <tmzt> openmoko was a good try
Jul 12 01:28:36 <tmzt> no, not myself
Jul 12 01:28:44 <tmzt> the wiki instructions make no sense
Jul 12 01:28:58 <marex> see ... that's what I mean
Jul 12 01:28:58 <tmzt> I just wanted to see if they were protecting it somehow
Jul 12 01:29:14 <tmzt> the wiki instructions are not from Palm
Jul 12 01:29:31 <marex> but the patches are garbage
Jul 12 01:29:35 <tmzt> which is more telling I guess
Jul 12 01:29:37 <tmzt> okay
Jul 12 01:29:48 <tmzt> but the hardware isn't
Jul 12 01:30:07 <tmzt> beagle kernel is supposed to work with some modifcations
Jul 12 01:31:58 <marex> which doesnt change anything about Palm Inc being bastards that should go bankrupt
Jul 12 02:27:03 <mekius> marex: I can see you're not happy with Palm :)
Jul 12 02:29:31 <marex> mekius: oh ... how did you notice that? </irony>
Jul 12 02:29:50 <mekius> hehe
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