**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 19 02:59:57 2009 Jul 19 03:00:11 yeah, doesn't like ppm either :) Jul 19 03:00:31 now to get my kdb and touchscreen working :) Jul 19 03:00:56 hal to the rescue there I'm guessing Jul 19 03:02:25 or not, damn :/ Jul 19 03:02:34 might need an xorg.conf, poo Jul 19 03:03:43 sigh...this just gets better and better.. Jul 19 03:03:51 at least X is running heh Jul 19 03:05:43 does Xfbdev write to /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Jul 19 03:06:06 not tat i can remember Jul 19 03:06:07 apparently not :( Jul 19 03:07:23 apparently my version of xserver-xfbdev blows :/ Jul 19 03:07:36 "Couldn't find pointer driver /dev/input/mice" Jul 19 03:07:40 one of the 3 lines in my log heh Jul 19 03:07:59 going to steal the one from your rootfs :D Jul 19 03:08:23 hjehehe Jul 19 03:09:18 that failed, most likely due to some missing libs or something :/ Jul 19 03:09:47 libts Jul 19 03:10:14 which means my copy of xfbdev didn't even have tslib built in :D Jul 19 03:11:07 I guess this is where the OE advantage shows, xfbdev can be built for a specific device :) Jul 19 03:11:55 actually all xfbdev's have tslib zupport in oe Jul 19 03:12:01 ah, I just have the wrong version of tslib :/ Jul 19 03:12:02 its copnsiderd "standard" Jul 19 03:12:05 ah Jul 19 03:12:13 but oe is facing a world where this *IS* the norm Jul 19 03:12:15 debian is not Jul 19 03:12:21 aye :) Jul 19 03:12:23 thus - i would not bother with debian Jul 19 03:12:29 just look at the base fs sizes Jul 19 03:12:37 I know Jul 19 03:12:41 my rootfs images are rather large for oe Jul 19 03:12:49 having apt-get available is just very nice if I forget some software :/ Jul 19 03:12:55 stock x-less ones get down to 20-30m Jul 19 03:13:02 nci Jul 19 03:13:03 nice* Jul 19 03:13:03 oe has that too Jul 19 03:13:07 stupid keyboard Jul 19 03:13:10 opkg install Jul 19 03:13:12 works like apt Jul 19 03:13:22 if you have a package file no? Jul 19 03:13:24 the sources are not set up tho right Jul 19 03:13:26 so I have to build that up :) Jul 19 03:13:28 oh Jul 19 03:13:36 it is a miniatyure apt-like thing Jul 19 03:13:39 i see Jul 19 03:13:46 i dont build a whole repo - so there is nothing to go to Jul 19 03:13:50 but it can be done Jul 19 03:13:51 didn't realize it could grab pre-built stuff Jul 19 03:14:02 you can Jul 19 03:14:03 or does it built it on the fly like ports? Jul 19 03:14:07 the problem is it's splintered Jul 19 03:14:11 there is no single oe repository Jul 19 03:14:14 some peolpe maintain them Jul 19 03:14:15 i don't Jul 19 03:14:23 its like debian Jul 19 03:14:24 its binary Jul 19 03:14:35 ok, I think I need to play with OE again Jul 19 03:14:52 this debian install is about to get heavily modified and that sucks :P Jul 19 03:15:01 yup Jul 19 03:15:07 and u'd want to get the changes upstream Jul 19 03:15:26 if u have oe problems - give me patches to me and i'll push them into oe dev upstream Jul 19 03:15:31 but i need to fix oe atm Jul 19 03:15:32 screw that, I don't even like debian, but Arch doesn't have an ARM version yt :P Jul 19 03:15:37 in fact my current images are broken Jul 19 03:15:38 totally Jul 19 03:15:52 yeah, your last build was in novembeer :P Jul 19 03:16:17 OE seems to work well wrt X so no patches should be necessary yet :) Jul 19 03:16:19 actualyl no - 2 months ago Jul 19 03:16:25 where is that?? Jul 19 03:16:29 but its not workign thatnks to oe upstream changes etc. Jul 19 03:16:33 breakign the splash for example Jul 19 03:16:36 oh :) Jul 19 03:16:51 now splash is abstracted in oe - i did that so exquisite or psplash are simple angstrom image options Jul 19 03:17:01 yeeah Jul 19 03:17:09 I ran angstrom at one point iirc Jul 19 03:17:18 biut updates broke things like usbnet on boot Jul 19 03:17:23 and other stuff Jul 19 03:17:32 things that are still broken upstream today? Jul 19 03:17:38 and i have too many devices to build for - i was travelling without displays for my omap stuff Jul 19 03:17:39 etc. Jul 19 03:17:41 or only when I build the illume target? Jul 19 03:17:45 so it kind of got dropped Jul 19 03:18:10 what are you working on these days? Jul 19 03:18:17 kernel broke stuff too Jul 19 03:18:19 its a mess Jul 19 03:18:21 i've been out of the loop so long :P Jul 19 03:18:26 need to focus on 1 device at a time Jul 19 03:18:31 dammit, why is everything a mess when I want to start using it :P Jul 19 03:18:38 treo is plugged in, so might do that Jul 19 03:18:57 then overo Jul 19 03:19:02 then archos Jul 19 03:19:06 i don't necessarily care about illume atm, I just want to get this thing running, X is mostly just a luxury for later, I really want to see if I can talk to the modem in this thing Jul 19 03:19:16 but apparently they are using some binary protocol so that complicates things :/ Jul 19 03:19:24 then might try gta02, c760 and nokia800 Jul 19 03:19:39 oh its not illume Jul 19 03:19:41 I was listening to it's output today and saw a number flash by and someone had tried to call me so pretty sure it's the right uart and it's sending stuff : Jul 19 03:19:47 any code/bugs there i ignore as they are simple things Jul 19 03:19:52 archos? Jul 19 03:19:53 no devices support needed Jul 19 03:20:01 to work on that Jul 19 03:20:04 yeah Jul 19 03:20:06 its morer core stuff liek boot Jul 19 03:20:06 true Jul 19 03:20:12 eg a good splash with slick working Jul 19 03:20:20 so if I tried to do an oe build right now I'd be in for a world of pain? Jul 19 03:20:32 i dont know Jul 19 03:20:33 or just the fancy things are broken like splash? Jul 19 03:20:36 i havent merged in a month or 2 Jul 19 03:20:48 again - lasti checked i ended up woith broken stuff Jul 19 03:20:53 i need to try and update and fix Jul 19 03:21:44 k Jul 19 03:21:57 you submitted patches or at least told them they suck I assume? :) Jul 19 03:22:03 i'll do treo first as its the simplest Jul 19 03:22:08 sweet :) Jul 19 03:22:15 that will help me the most too most likely hehe Jul 19 03:22:19 tho overo might be better as i have serial console Jul 19 03:22:30 no no, do treo ;) Jul 19 03:22:35 you know you want to :D Jul 19 03:22:40 actually no - will do overo Jul 19 03:22:44 damn :( Jul 19 03:22:52 oh well hehe Jul 19 03:23:07 I think I'll get me an OE checkout and try to build an angstrom build or something Jul 19 03:23:19 I know the last time I tried to do OE I failed miserably :/ Jul 19 03:24:07 hopefully my new desktop will help speed up the build, 2.6G tri-core with 4GB or ram vs my 1.6G dual-core with 2GB of ram, not to mention the latter is a laptop :) Jul 19 03:24:56 raster: thx for your help btw, don't want to bug you too much :) Jul 19 03:25:21 trying to figure most of this out on my own, but I'm a bit out of my league so far heh Jul 19 03:25:40 don't know enough about how framebuffers and all this business works yet to really know why something would screw up :) Jul 19 03:26:22 gah, they are still using ccache for this... Jul 19 03:26:39 last time I ended up having to explicitly disable it's use as it was bombing out right away heh Jul 19 03:27:15 oh not a problem Jul 19 03:27:19 my fault for not keeping up Jul 19 03:27:24 again - i have too may targets Jul 19 03:27:27 aye Jul 19 03:27:32 each turns up with its own set of bugs every time i update Jul 19 03:27:36 plus you've had a bit of a distraction lately heh Jul 19 03:27:39 either kernely gets some bug where usbnet stops working Jul 19 03:27:41 or somethng else Jul 19 03:27:47 or some other userspace thigns changes and bugs out Jul 19 03:27:56 yeah Jul 19 03:28:08 on top of that my clients so far dont want to use oe but brew their oen systems Jul 19 03:28:15 which just makes life harder Jul 19 03:30:13 everyone hatin on OE Jul 19 03:30:48 well they brew their own Jul 19 03:30:50 use nother else Jul 19 03:30:58 mind u - they learnt a lot from oe Jul 19 03:31:07 i pointed them to it and how their homebrew one makes lots of mistakes Jul 19 03:33:24 it's not reallt that they hate it Jul 19 03:33:28 its a steep entry curve Jul 19 03:33:42 yeah, no joke :P Jul 19 03:33:50 and they have their own brewed and were poked by oe like 2 years into their own Jul 19 03:34:34 well as long as it's a good solution go for it, if it sucks though that just makes it a pain and kinda hurts efforts to further an open framework Jul 19 03:34:54 they could try and push some of their stuff into OE if OE will take it heh Jul 19 03:34:54 oe has overhead ... but once going it saves a mointain of work Jul 19 03:35:12 and unlike their homebrew it already solves the problem of distributing source to comply with gpl Jul 19 03:35:24 it already has packages - and they are now at sa point where they need to consider packaging Jul 19 03:35:35 they dont even have dropbear - just telnetd Jul 19 03:35:58 o'e s xserver has the nocursor patches Jul 19 03:36:11 ewwwww, telnet Jul 19 03:36:16 they have asked before how to turn off the cursor ine - i told them but apps can have their own cursor - so nothigncan be done Jul 19 03:36:33 modify every app/toolkit then... or the simple x patch of disabling x mouse cursors Jul 19 03:36:41 aye Jul 19 03:36:46 modifying X is a no-brainer there Jul 19 03:36:51 yeah Jul 19 03:36:57 but in oe - it comes with all this Jul 19 03:37:00 i never had to modify Jul 19 03:37:04 a lot of other thgns Jul 19 03:37:04 in fact I find it strange this doesn't exist in X upstream anyway Jul 19 03:37:14 only way i'd go form oe wudl be debian/mer/ubuntu Jul 19 03:37:20 I mean touchscreens are getting very popular and have been doing so for a few years now Jul 19 03:37:20 (mer is ubuntu for arm' like n800) Jul 19 03:37:48 ah Jul 19 03:37:50 as you either look at embedded systems the way people always have (which is a custom image of data created once and then shipped) Jul 19 03:37:57 and that customised for just that device Jul 19 03:38:00 well you'd have a lot of work to do to get debian working, let me tell you :D Jul 19 03:38:07 or look at them as pc's - mini ones with a limited hw set Jul 19 03:38:18 that need security updates, package upgrades of specific components etc. Jul 19 03:38:30 well we are at the point where having new firmware loaded over the air or via USB is not such an odd thing Jul 19 03:38:35 and become complex sytstems with lots of interacting software often created by multiple disparate parties Jul 19 03:38:46 people update the firmware on their IPhones all the time Jul 19 03:38:52 iPhone sry :P Jul 19 03:38:59 so... in that case treating it as packages and structured images make FROM packages - then updated and added to via packages, is the right way imho Jul 19 03:39:20 i know Jul 19 03:39:23 and thagts a rfeflash Jul 19 03:39:24 raster: or at the very least, split the low level software from the user data Jul 19 03:39:25 and thats silly Jul 19 03:39:29 you want just pacjage updates Jul 19 03:39:31 yeah Jul 19 03:39:38 smaller packages instead of a huge firmware :) Jul 19 03:39:40 the phone to "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" regularly Jul 19 03:39:50 so u update what needs updating - hal, not the entire os Jul 19 03:39:53 yeah Jul 19 03:39:53 bit by bit Jul 19 03:40:02 but to even consider that - u need packages Jul 19 03:40:05 the user can be oblivious to that detail even :) Jul 19 03:40:11 you ALSO need packges if u have an sdk for 3rd parties Jul 19 03:40:37 if u have packaging in place already - an "appstore" is a front-end gui and package categoi09ooooooppppppp./ujjj77777 Jul 19 03:40:43 sation Jul 19 03:40:56 did your face just smash the keyboard there? Jul 19 03:41:04 and a bling fdront end with icons for apps, descriptions and possibly screenshots and blurbs, feedback and a way to buy them Jul 19 03:41:07 no - cat. Jul 19 03:41:10 ah lol Jul 19 03:41:24 keyboard == amazingly convenient highway from left to right of desk Jul 19 03:41:24 this is why I don't own animals :) Jul 19 03:41:34 raster: in the cat's mind anyway :P Jul 19 03:41:41 yes Jul 19 03:41:44 for thet cat it seems that way Jul 19 03:44:26 "IMPORTANT: You might want to use the Stable branch, which is called stable/2009. Link for more details: Stable." Jul 19 03:51:58 root@overo:/lib/modules# modprobe g_ether Jul 19 03:51:58 FATAL: Error inserting g_ether (/lib/modules/2.6.29-omap1/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_ether.ko): No such device Jul 19 03:52:18 root@overo:/lib/modules# ls /lib/modules/2.6.29-omap1/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget Jul 19 03:52:18 g_ether.ko g_file_storage.ko g_serial.ko Jul 19 03:52:21 fuckers Jul 19 03:52:28 way too much pain. Jul 19 03:52:46 fail Jul 19 03:53:04 they take out support for your device? Jul 19 03:53:13 it worked great in my debian build :D Jul 19 03:53:41 only issue with doing work on my laptop is the lack of a card reader Jul 19 03:54:08 wonder if the ones on my printer show up even though the printer itself doesn't work Jul 19 03:56:56 raster: just go ape shit in #oe for a few mins :D Jul 19 03:59:07 printer no go, damn :/ Jul 19 04:09:19 excellent Jul 19 04:09:24 my pants are finally on Jul 19 04:09:50 lol Jul 19 04:09:59 still working with overo? Jul 19 04:10:07 well i should merge... Jul 19 04:10:28 found card reader, but only a 14-day trial Jul 19 04:12:16 eh? Jul 19 04:12:20 cards reader... trial? Jul 19 04:13:08 it's an app that exposes the sd card via usb mass storage Jul 19 04:13:12 in palm os Jul 19 04:13:19 oooh Jul 19 04:13:25 since I need to replace the rootfs, can't be in linux for that :D Jul 19 04:13:25 why do u need that? Jul 19 04:13:31 well I could I guess heh Jul 19 04:13:33 use desktop Jul 19 04:13:39 cause my desktop has no card reader Jul 19 04:13:45 u dont have an sd card reader on or attached to your desktop? Jul 19 04:13:50 no Jul 19 04:13:51 I built this Jul 19 04:13:54 WOW! Jul 19 04:13:56 dude... Jul 19 04:13:58 didn't feel like buying one heh Jul 19 04:13:59 get one Jul 19 04:14:07 my monityor comes with one like it or not Jul 19 04:14:10 i have a usb one Jul 19 04:14:12 heh Jul 19 04:14:18 laptop has a build in sd slot anyway Jul 19 04:14:22 I might get a usb one, easiest Jul 19 04:14:32 card readers just seem to accumulate Jul 19 04:14:43 i'm amazed one hasnt accumulated there Jul 19 04:14:45 my laptop does, but don't want to do oe build on that and transferring the build over to my laptop each time will be tedious Jul 19 04:14:50 hehe Jul 19 04:14:59 well my printer has one, but doesn't work with linux Jul 19 04:15:03 kinda lame Jul 19 04:15:39 nfs Jul 19 04:15:41 :) Jul 19 04:15:54 export /media via nfs Jul 19 04:15:59 and allow submounts Jul 19 04:16:03 could do that, or just do scp even Jul 19 04:16:04 oh yeah Jul 19 04:16:06 my printer too Jul 19 04:16:09 ther the thing Jul 19 04:16:13 you just accumulate them\ Jul 19 04:16:15 heh Jul 19 04:16:17 i've seen kbd's withthem Jul 19 04:16:36 might be more prevalent there, not sure, I just don't care for them myself :P Jul 19 04:16:39 they look so ugly :) Jul 19 04:16:49 3000 cards in 1! Jul 19 04:16:59 yay, a bunch of holes to collect dust while I use 1 of them heh Jul 19 04:20:03 dude. they come in useful Jul 19 04:20:05 really useful Jul 19 04:20:19 i'm out of usb ports like nothing Jul 19 04:20:32 i need to get myself some 12 poer powered usb ghub bonanza or something Jul 19 04:22:27 haha Jul 19 04:22:42 we have a ton of semi-crappy 8 port hubs at work that are just sitting there for the most part :P Jul 19 04:23:28 http://www.hardwaresphere.com/2009/05/19/16-port-usb-hub-for-port-junkie/ Jul 19 04:23:31 thats more like it Jul 19 04:23:37 # EDIT THIS FILE and then remove the line below before using! Jul 19 04:23:37 REMOVE_THIS_LINE:="${@bb.fatal('Read the comments in your conf/local.conf')}" Jul 19 04:23:42 gah, that's low :P Jul 19 04:24:32 haha, I'm sure it's powered externally, no way you could make an unpowered 16 port hub Jul 19 04:25:16 thats the point Jul 19 04:25:26 i havbe too many gadgets charging off usb Jul 19 04:25:28 anbd powering off it Jul 19 04:25:35 and i mena phones - not mice Jul 19 04:25:35 :) Jul 19 04:26:07 yeah Jul 19 04:26:57 aaazrgh Jul 19 04:27:00 i need to rebuild all of oe Jul 19 04:27:02 fuck fuck Jul 19 04:27:11 Error, DISTRO_PR has changed (.2 to .3) which means all packages need to rebuild. Please remove your TMPDIR so this can happen. For autobuilder setups you can avoid this by using a TMPDIR that include DISTRO_PR in the path. Jul 19 04:27:11 :P Jul 19 04:27:20 that blows Jul 19 04:27:27 well it makes sense Jul 19 04:27:33 i'm building an opie image based on angstrom atm :) Jul 19 04:27:39 its good you are told and not just dumped into bizarre error land Jul 19 04:27:42 just to get something up and running :) Jul 19 04:27:49 yeah, that is good Jul 19 04:28:03 i just need tgo express my moment of annoyance Jul 19 04:28:04 I was dumped in that land like 3 or 4 times during my last adventure into OE Jul 19 04:28:15 takes a long time to build all those packages again :D Jul 19 04:29:53 i'm a bit pissed about my modem using binary communication :/ Jul 19 04:30:09 was hoping I could just roll in there today and throw it a few AT commands and kick some ass :) Jul 19 04:30:30 not all of it was binary though, I did see a phone number roll by in ascii Jul 19 04:30:46 off off! Jul 19 04:30:47 * raster runs Jul 19 04:31:01 dammit, already hit a wall Jul 19 04:31:15 I think this is the ccache issue Jul 19 04:31:22 can't remember how you get around that though Jul 19 04:35:24 yay, I actually remembered something heh Jul 19 04:37:32 2 things in fact Jul 19 04:37:48 that ccache sucks with OE even though it's default and how to disable it :) Jul 19 04:38:04 i spent like 2 days trying to get someone to explain why I couldn't get past the first package :P Jul 19 04:50:28 task 167/3423 :( Jul 19 04:50:33 soooo much to do Jul 19 04:51:38 these are the times a nice 3D radeon driver would be handy :) Jul 19 07:31:16 mekius: pong Jul 19 07:38:28 mekius: do you have some interesting Centro code? Jul 19 07:38:39 mekius: I'm starting with Centro GSM today Jul 19 07:55:46 mekius: If you have some interesting code, send me an e-mail please Jul 19 07:55:56 so we wouldn't duplicate the work Jul 19 09:15:05 marex: palm sent somebody the headers requested for native plugins Jul 19 09:15:23 just another data point Jul 19 09:21:45 mekius: you got it to work? Jul 19 09:21:54 are you using touchscreen? Jul 19 09:22:11 -mouse tslib,,device=/dev/input/eventX Jul 19 09:22:33 -keybd evdev,,device=/dev/input/eventX Jul 19 09:22:41 or -keybd keybd... Jul 19 09:23:02 spent weeks on this before ali1234 told me Jul 19 09:28:21 tmzt: I dont care about Palm, they should just go bankrupt and die Jul 19 09:29:52 they should go opensource and die ;b Jul 19 09:42:16 bluelightning: hi, opie-taskbar has now even more compilation issues ;-) Jul 19 09:42:21 the one from cvs Jul 19 09:42:27 marex: what's up? Jul 19 09:42:48 it compiles for me... Jul 19 09:42:59 OpenEmbedded/build/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/opie-taskbar-1.2.4+cvs20090620-r16/launcher/transferserver.cpp:312: undefined reference to `VirtualFS::VirtualFS()' Jul 19 09:43:03 stuff like this Jul 19 09:44:01 marex: I fixed that... it was completely overwriting server.pro and thus not linking in VirtualFS Jul 19 09:44:19 bluelightning: in OE or in opie ? Jul 19 09:44:24 marex: OE Jul 19 09:44:30 is it ocmmited ? Jul 19 09:44:32 yes Jul 19 09:44:34 *commited Jul 19 09:44:35 ok Jul 19 09:44:49 committed and pushed, technically :) Jul 19 09:45:00 thanks Jul 19 09:45:17 Im about to enjoy this slow expensive GPRS line Jul 19 09:45:43 where are you atm? Jul 19 09:47:05 at my granddad Jul 19 09:47:10 's place Jul 19 09:49:05 ah ok Jul 19 09:51:01 bluelightning: but damn, they want $30 for this crap Jul 19 09:51:24 $30 for something that barely can be called an internet connection Jul 19 09:52:26 marex: they charge that because they can... they know if you're out in the sticks you are desperate enough to pay that much to access the net :) Jul 19 09:52:54 bluelightning: btw do you have any idea on how to use pxaficp (the irda thing) ? Jul 19 09:53:35 marex: I know a little bit about using irda-utils, but that's it Jul 19 09:54:04 hrm, irattach doesnt work for me, maybe some configuration issue or whatever Jul 19 09:54:35 bluelightning: can you use kbdd with pxaficp ? Jul 19 09:55:03 marex: if you set up a serial device (ircomm) on it yes Jul 19 09:55:32 then that's good :-) Jul 19 10:10:10 5 megs downloaded :-) Jul 19 10:10:35 hm ... it's been 15 mins already .. what a speed Jul 19 10:11:16 looks like there were many changes in OE recently ... Jul 19 10:29:06 bluelightning: btw Im preparing yet another abstraction layer in kernel for the ficp stuff ... that's why I need to test it Jul 19 10:29:39 marex: ah, I see Jul 19 10:29:58 how would that work? Jul 19 10:30:11 I have basic ircomm keyboard and motoq with ficp Jul 19 10:30:29 but not the alt settings Jul 19 10:33:17 just remove some duplicit code Jul 19 10:33:42 but what's the abstraction layer for? Jul 19 10:35:35 for removing the duplicit code in the pxaficp platform stuff Jul 19 10:39:25 # irattach irda0 -s Jul 19 10:39:45 Segmentation faul Jul 19 10:40:12 exactly what I needed Jul 19 10:41:49 thankthank you OE for building such quality images ... thank you Jul 19 10:45:24 bluelightning: still downloading ... it drives me crazy Jul 19 10:45:43 marex: :( Jul 19 10:47:44 well irattach from OE segfaults ... it's no use doing anything here ... it's loss of time Jul 19 10:48:53 I planned finishing my ToDo earlier, but with this kind of connection it's out of question Jul 19 10:53:27 marex: are you sure it's not segfaulting because something is wrong on the kernel side? Jul 19 10:55:35 yes Jul 19 10:56:39 the image doesnt even properly boot Jul 19 10:56:55 well Im still downloading the changeset for OE .... Jul 19 11:01:22 mekius: ping Jul 19 12:16:07 bluelightning: still that LnkProperties problem Jul 19 12:16:22 marex: I thought you patched around that Jul 19 12:17:47 bluelightning: it's not in CVS ? Jul 19 12:17:50 ok, I'll patch it Jul 19 12:18:12 marex: no, I'm still thinking about the implications of removing that #ifdef Jul 19 12:19:02 technically it's there to stop it being used outside of libqpe... however, despite warnings in LARGE LETTERS it seems previous developers just put the #define in and used it anyway, in several places Jul 19 12:19:18 so I wonder if it matters if I remove it... Jul 19 12:21:50 I'll enter a bug about it anyway Jul 19 12:23:02 marex: for reference could you send me the build error on pastebin if you still have it? Jul 19 12:32:09 http://opie-bugs.softec.co.nz/view.php?id=1929 Jul 19 12:33:40 ok, I dont recall my login, oh well ;-) Jul 19 12:35:04 marex: reset your pw... it'll be a good test to make sure it still works Jul 19 12:36:33 bluelightning: you know how I enjoy this internet connection already, dont you ;-) Jul 19 12:37:18 btw the pxaficp still does make my day :E Jul 19 12:40:52 bluelightning: well removing the FSLP stuff fixes it for me FTTB and the cvs version of opie does compile Jul 19 12:42:28 ERROR: '['/mnt/data/OpenEmbedded/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-opie.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'bluez-utils' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables Jul 19 12:42:31 NOTE: Runtime target 'bluez-utils' is unbuildable, removing... Jul 19 12:42:34 hm no, we have a problem Jul 19 12:45:58 you can replace bluez-utils with bluez4 and it should at least build Jul 19 12:46:13 really annoying that one... why it couldn't have been done properly I don't know Jul 19 12:46:18 sheer laziness :/ Jul 19 12:49:53 but bluez-utils should be provided by bluez4 Jul 19 12:49:56 jeez Jul 19 12:50:04 so something is rotten in OE Jul 19 12:53:14 nobody seems to care about fixing that one Jul 19 12:53:44 bluelightning: you know what I think about OE, right ? Jul 19 12:54:42 hmm... well there isn't much alternative, I'm not going to go building my own images from scratch Jul 19 12:54:45 it mostly works Jul 19 12:54:57 most of the time Jul 19 12:55:50 but nobody does care about anyone else's stuff Jul 19 12:58:09 fix it and send patch >:-E~~~~~ Jul 19 12:58:11 ;b Jul 19 12:58:59 Sleep_Walker: someone shouldn't just come in, break something core and then not even discuss how other recipes that depend on that core thing should be fixed Jul 19 12:59:05 that's bullshit Jul 19 12:59:30 marex: I agree Jul 19 12:59:33 I completely agree Jul 19 12:59:43 I'm pretty happy I don't need to touch OE Jul 19 13:01:27 bluelightning: s/bullshit/OE/ ... sadly Jul 19 13:01:52 bluelightning: Im still stuck with the ficp stuff ... dunno what I did wrong Jul 19 13:02:17 marex: yeah, well it annoys me, but there's not a lot I can do about it Jul 19 13:02:40 marex: re ficp, I'd love to help but not sure I can I'm afraid Jul 19 13:03:56 bluelightning: well irlan doesnt seem to work at all and ircomm doesnt either Jul 19 13:04:07 I'll see what I can do Jul 19 13:04:26 bluelightning: debian's irattach seems ok Jul 19 13:04:38 marex: newer version? Jul 19 13:05:06 marex: what is problem with FICP? Jul 19 13:06:48 bluelightning: not OE version Jul 19 13:06:52 Sleep_Walker: dunno Jul 19 13:07:19 marex: kernel or OPIE support? Jul 19 13:17:28 marex: there's more to it that that... :p Jul 19 13:39:19 bluelightning: j/w how do you set up ircomm ? Jul 19 13:54:56 marex: there's some info here, may be out of date: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/IrDA Jul 19 14:04:12 bluelightning: thanks Jul 19 14:13:35 were any changes about rndis_host driver? Jul 19 14:13:47 It looks fine on palm side Jul 19 14:13:58 Bus 005 Device 008: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget Jul 19 14:14:05 computer can see this device too Jul 19 14:14:29 but no new network interface is shown Jul 19 14:21:49 no Jul 19 14:30:13 they were Jul 19 14:37:08 marex: do you have a defconfig suitable for the ycmaio kernel? Jul 19 14:37:34 bluelightning: yes, but it only supports LCD, irda and mmc Jul 19 14:37:49 (pretty much useless) Jul 19 14:38:02 marex: should I not be using that one? or do you mean I need to scratch together my own config? Jul 19 14:39:36 bluelightning: better put one together yourself Jul 19 14:41:05 ok Jul 19 14:41:48 damned infrared crap Jul 19 15:02:42 marex: I assume palmtx does not use PCI? Jul 19 15:06:38 right Jul 19 15:06:53 usually this mean you don't have ARCH=arm on the command line Jul 19 15:07:04 indeed Jul 19 15:08:31 heh, oops Jul 19 15:25:32 hmm, don't really know what I'm meant to be selecting here Jul 19 15:27:42 bluelightning: dont you have Sharp Tosa ? Jul 19 15:27:52 marex: spitz Jul 19 15:28:07 never had to configure the kernel almost from scratch... Jul 19 15:28:16 (well, not for a handheld anyway) Jul 19 15:30:43 bluelightning: jeez ... hang on then ;-) Jul 19 15:30:54 sorry ;) Jul 19 15:36:43 bluelightning: nevermind Jul 19 15:37:18 bluelightning: try the one I sent you, dunno if it will work ;-=) Jul 19 15:38:15 bluelightning: it should work, maybe you'll be missing some of the cutting edge additions that havent hit mainline yet or are on hold because are dependent on other patches Jul 19 15:54:16 marex: ok thanks Jul 19 15:56:24 bluelightning: good luck with this one ;-) Jul 19 16:06:41 bluelightning: does libopieobex0 compile for you ? Jul 19 16:10:57 nevermind, now it does Jul 19 16:25:57 bluelightning: something VERY wrong happens with .31-rc Jul 19 16:26:38 marex: ? Jul 19 16:26:53 bluelightning: dunno, it hangs spontaneously Jul 19 16:27:01 and it seems related to pxamci Jul 19 16:27:04 argh Jul 19 16:27:13 yes, pxamci is piece of crap Jul 19 16:46:25 marex: will dma api improve things? Jul 19 16:46:32 with mmc/mci Jul 19 16:54:39 tmzt: dunno ... Jul 19 16:55:33 oh, .31 I guess that would be new dma api Jul 19 18:16:56 marex: If you see sleep_walker tell him I figured it out :) Jul 19 18:17:26 marex: Turns out my issues were due to Xorg, using the scripts from OE I was able to get X up and running just fine Jul 19 19:59:56 mekius: use '@later tell Sleep_walker ... ' **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 20 02:59:57 2009