**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 11 02:59:56 2009 Oct 11 23:25:04 Anyone home? Oct 11 23:34:39 the channel activity varies a lot Oct 11 23:36:03 bbl Oct 11 23:36:12 I suggest you just idle here or try again another time Oct 11 23:36:13 back later Oct 11 23:48:39 k Oct 12 00:16:36 * flyback might have a fire condition bbl Oct 12 00:19:32 . Oct 12 00:20:34 * flyback is ok, the attic exhaust fan was just drawing in some smoke outside form someone burning leaves Oct 12 00:28:12 I'm getting a Tungsten C from a friend, and I'm going to linux it. That's my introduction. You can all sleep on now =) Oct 12 00:29:07 I can't live without multitasking... Palm OS is teh sux :( Oct 12 00:35:04 yes it is Oct 12 00:35:10 but C is m68k afaik Oct 12 00:35:15 you really can't do much with linux on it Oct 12 00:35:16 sorry Oct 12 00:37:15 best to stick with palm os Oct 12 00:37:22 you can't run much to multitask anyways Oct 12 00:37:24 on m68k Oct 12 00:37:28 are you sure? Oct 12 00:37:47 yeah we are mostly working on units that are arm powered Oct 12 00:37:49 lemme 2x check Oct 12 00:37:54 it is arm Oct 12 00:38:34 oh wait Oct 12 00:38:36 I am wrong Oct 12 00:38:36 damn Oct 12 00:38:39 I am getting senile Oct 12 00:38:39 :( Oct 12 00:38:42 sorry Oct 12 00:38:52 marex posted on forum that you had to compile a debian arm kernel with the config file he gave Oct 12 00:39:04 my knowledge of linux was until today limited to some simple command line stuff Oct 12 00:39:06 lol Oct 12 00:39:08 has 64meg of real ram on it Oct 12 00:39:13 better than my t5 or the tx's Oct 12 00:39:16 they only have 32 real Oct 12 00:39:17 400mhw cpu =) Oct 12 00:39:19 z * Oct 12 00:39:19 yes Oct 12 00:39:21 and it's intel pxa Oct 12 00:39:23 those have a usb hack Oct 12 00:39:28 so you can connect to usb keyboards etc Oct 12 00:39:38 well mabye Oct 12 00:39:42 not sure if the pxa255 supports that Oct 12 00:39:44 the 270 does Oct 12 00:39:56 marex figured out how to make wifi work on the tungsten c recently Oct 12 00:39:58 in linux Oct 12 00:40:08 nice Oct 12 00:40:11 good luck then :) Oct 12 00:40:14 its on main page of hackndev site Oct 12 00:40:17 remeber not to store anything in palm os Oct 12 00:40:20 but I have long road to cover from now on Oct 12 00:40:22 lol Oct 12 00:40:23 since it will be erased when linux boots Oct 12 00:40:26 I dont plan on using any palm OS stuff Oct 12 00:40:27 if you have to use a bootloader Oct 12 00:40:33 since it doesn't have flash mem save Oct 12 00:40:55 does it have a flash card slot? Oct 12 00:41:01 sd card Oct 12 00:41:04 good Oct 12 00:41:20 and there was also recently a hack to bypass the 2gb limit or something like that Oct 12 00:41:27 but all of those are spread across the site forum Oct 12 00:41:36 it's a wealth of information Oct 12 00:41:38 yes in linux Oct 12 00:41:38 too much Oct 12 00:41:39 lol Oct 12 00:41:47 but if you have to use palm os as your bootloader that won't work Oct 12 00:41:52 you would have to put in small card Oct 12 00:41:55 load kernel and mabye rootfs Oct 12 00:41:59 then have it pause Oct 12 00:42:03 while you swap to shdc card Oct 12 00:42:34 mine has a built in flash drive so I can use that to load the kernel Oct 12 00:42:39 then change over to a SDHC card Oct 12 00:43:08 if the rom is flash on yours Oct 12 00:43:13 you can probably eventually flash the rom to linux Oct 12 00:43:16 and always have linux Oct 12 00:43:43 it does have a flash rom :) Oct 12 00:44:00 I don't know too much about it yet Oct 12 00:44:17 I am looking for you :P Oct 12 00:44:23 oh nice Oct 12 00:44:25 16MB flash rom Oct 12 00:44:34 more than enough just to get the linux kernel + rootfs going Oct 12 00:44:42 then mount SD card for main root/filesystem Oct 12 00:46:02 first things first, I got to get some kernel compiled Oct 12 00:46:03 lol Oct 12 00:46:08 and I dont even have the tungsten c yet btw Oct 12 00:46:10 well they have a bootloader Oct 12 00:46:17 dunno if there is one for the C Oct 12 00:46:24 most is focused on the E series Oct 12 00:46:26 but it will load kernel into ram then jump to it Oct 12 00:46:32 so you can play with linux without erasing palm os Oct 12 00:46:35 but Oct 12 00:46:40 are you talking about the garux loader? Oct 12 00:46:42 since yours does NOT shadow main memory to flash all the time Oct 12 00:46:44 when you do that Oct 12 00:46:49 all your data files etc in palm os get erased Oct 12 00:46:55 yes or cocoboot Oct 12 00:47:05 like I said, I don't intend on using palm os... it's a useless os :P Oct 12 00:47:19 I need to take my t5 apart and repair the power switch and I need to get a dead unit off ebay Oct 12 00:47:22 for the casing Oct 12 00:47:28 because they charge too much for new housing Oct 12 00:47:42 also need to solder in new headphone jack and battery Oct 12 00:48:25 why is the T3 so popular? Oct 12 00:48:39 and E Oct 12 00:48:46 most of the work seems to focus on T & E Oct 12 00:49:29 btw Oct 12 00:49:33 I also want to revive my old IIIXE and IIIX eventually Oct 12 00:49:34 hardware wise Oct 12 00:49:41 playing media files Oct 12 00:49:47 can i get equal or even better support for that? Oct 12 00:49:47 dunno Oct 12 00:49:52 your unit is only mono audio btw Oct 12 00:49:52 under linux Oct 12 00:50:13 yeah i know, i can still turn it into fake stereo Oct 12 00:50:14 lol Oct 12 00:50:20 with a plug Oct 12 00:50:31 wow Oct 12 00:50:36 plenty of broken palm tx on ebay Oct 12 00:50:38 I can get cheap Oct 12 00:50:42 and salage the body Oct 12 00:51:12 Palm should've released a decent OS in the first place Oct 12 00:51:22 i cant believe they left out multitasking even though it was 100% possible Oct 12 00:51:24 wow Oct 12 00:51:25 $6 Oct 12 00:51:31 keeps looping on bootup Oct 12 00:51:34 but screen etc intact Oct 12 00:51:45 MrMariusz, well wasn't totally their fault Oct 12 00:51:49 os 0 thru 4.2 Oct 12 00:52:09 the company they bought the kernel from had a licence that forbid them from exposing much of the kernel api including the multitasking Oct 12 00:52:12 "cock suckers" Oct 12 00:53:07 so why not leak it to the general public Oct 12 00:53:10 after a few years Oct 12 00:53:19 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Lifedrive-AS-IS-Repair-Item-990-101_W0QQitemZ330367260572QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_s_Pocket_PC_s?hash=item4ceb6c579c Oct 12 00:53:25 $5 says the hd is bad Oct 12 00:53:41 I see a Tungsten E on ebay for 40eur which is pretty respectable knowing what they used to cost Oct 12 00:53:41 which you can replace with a $5 compact flash to 1.8 inch ide adaptor Oct 12 00:53:55 and then use a compact flash card of 2 gig or higher Oct 12 00:54:17 lol you going to start up a refurbished palm with Linux business? Oct 12 00:54:19 :P Oct 12 00:55:08 btw, a palm with linux installed, isn't that sort of superior to an iphone? Oct 12 00:55:18 (apart from the gsm function ) Oct 12 00:55:21 mabye it could do a lot of iphone can do Oct 12 00:55:23 but in terms of hw not Oct 12 00:55:32 the new palm pre can probably match iphone Oct 12 00:55:38 that runs linux btw Oct 12 00:55:40 iphone doesn't really multitask eh? Oct 12 00:55:44 yes it does Oct 12 00:55:46 it has a decent os Oct 12 00:55:48 it does? Oct 12 00:55:50 i thought it didnt Oct 12 00:56:45 as far as I know Oct 12 00:56:46 theres some articles on the lack of real multitasking isnt there? Oct 12 00:56:52 mabye not Oct 12 00:56:59 appHOLE Is a bunch of cock suckers anyways Oct 12 00:57:02 I wouldn't buy one Oct 12 00:57:06 this is my last palm too Oct 12 00:57:12 they fucked me over on this piece of shit Oct 12 00:57:17 which one? Oct 12 00:57:47 hey, if i can get a tungsten C for practically free, AND it's somehow possible to put a working linux distro o nit, i'll be the happiest man on earth Oct 12 00:57:59 =) Oct 12 00:59:13 yeah Oct 12 00:59:14 i'd do it Oct 12 00:59:17 I have a T5 Oct 12 00:59:20 $500 paperweight Oct 12 00:59:57 oh I see that cocoboot automatically detects tungsten C too Oct 12 01:01:13 downloaded the prc. Oct 12 01:01:15 step 1. Oct 12 01:01:17 woot Oct 12 01:01:18 lol Oct 12 01:01:35 yeah wow Oct 12 01:01:40 see t5 and tx use same case Oct 12 01:01:47 even same display Oct 12 01:01:49 so I could make a tx Oct 12 01:02:01 the only thing the tx has over t5 is it can charge full speed over usb and it has wireless Oct 12 01:02:09 but apprentely it's wireless chip sucks anyways Oct 12 01:02:13 t5 has more flash and faster cpu Oct 12 01:02:50 so I think I will buy a broken pda off ebay and salvage the case Oct 12 01:03:06 then I only have to buy new battery and headphone jack Oct 12 01:03:45 * flyback is busy testing ups he repaired Oct 12 01:03:52 MrMariusz: iphone can multitask. it runs a stripped down osx. there's a bsd kernel in ther Oct 12 01:04:02 just apples policy is to only allow 1 applicatin at a time Oct 12 01:04:07 so its like palm os? Oct 12 01:04:13 no Oct 12 01:04:14 software-based limitations Oct 12 01:04:23 no palm os is really broken :P Oct 12 01:04:27 its ver little like palmos Oct 12 01:04:35 its just policy by apple on their ui Oct 12 01:04:36 even when they came out with os 5 Oct 12 01:04:37 MrMariusz, Oct 12 01:04:42 its ui-level enforced Oct 12 01:04:43 they never added the mmu support in the arm cpu's Oct 12 01:04:51 apple themselevs run several background processes Oct 12 01:04:52 so no true multitasking or crash protection Oct 12 01:05:01 raster you see all the as is pdas on ebay cheap Oct 12 01:05:02 wow Oct 12 01:05:09 also if u jailbrek an iphone u can add a "backgrounder" app that will allow u to keep apps runnign in the background Oct 12 01:05:16 fuck payign $50 for a new body for my t5 Oct 12 01:05:25 I can get a broken t5 off ebay for < $20 Oct 12 01:05:26 its just apples policy that makles it 1 app at a time Oct 12 01:05:43 there's non-broken tungstens for not too expensive too ya know Oct 12 01:05:45 lol Oct 12 01:05:51 ok wait Oct 12 01:05:59 5.50 current bid Oct 12 01:06:01 34m left Oct 12 01:06:07 he wants $13.50 ship though Oct 12 01:06:09 * flyback ponders Oct 12 01:06:18 so if i want to proceed with this tungsten c to linux stuff, I need 1) to load cocoboot 2) to have a debian-arm kernel ready? Oct 12 01:06:23 it's been 8 yrs since I bidded on anything on ebay and I cancelled because I knew it was dutch Oct 12 01:06:33 so the next person would just get my slot Oct 12 01:06:34 I'm from belgium btw =) Oct 12 01:06:37 and I wouldn't screw the seller Oct 12 01:06:43 I never really bought anything on ebay :/ Oct 12 01:07:06 * flyback continues to watch a ups he is load testing Oct 12 01:07:14 I killed the best ups I had by accident thursday Oct 12 01:07:23 but if this one works ok it's fine till I have time to repair the other one Oct 12 01:10:16 as for pre vs iphone. pre s more pwoerful than iphone3d and less powerful than iphone3gs Oct 12 01:10:27 te 3gs has a much beefier soc than the omap3 Oct 12 01:10:40 depends but betwene 20% to 50% better i'd say Oct 12 01:11:05 (better memory bus, upgrades SGX for 3d, faster clocked arm cortex a8 core etc.) Oct 12 01:12:58 meh Oct 12 01:14:29 flyback; you there? Oct 12 01:14:33 well flyback did say the pre can match the iphone :) Oct 12 01:14:38 depends which iphone 3g Oct 12 01:15:24 kinda Oct 12 01:15:28 raster, I said might Oct 12 01:16:10 flyback, are you familiar with Sleep walker's kernel builds? Oct 12 01:16:12 OMG THIS REMIX ROCKS Oct 12 01:16:13 Knucklebusters by Marcel Donné Oct 12 01:16:16 yes Oct 12 01:16:20 but been a year or so since I played Oct 12 01:16:30 he made them for t3 and tx Oct 12 01:18:08 http://hackndev.com/node/307 Oct 12 01:18:19 http://www.last.fm/music/Marcel+Donn%C3%A9/_/Knucklebusters Oct 12 01:18:35 is it as simple as what marex says to compile a decent kernel for the C? Oct 12 01:20:35 (see link ) Oct 12 01:25:07 meh, everyone's back to afk :D Oct 12 01:25:20 im out in a few mins too... 3 30 am.. Oct 12 01:25:38 sorry I got a lot of stuff to do Oct 12 01:25:40 :/ Oct 12 01:26:42 k np Oct 12 01:28:21 nooo.. not stuff! Oct 12 01:29:41 I can't wait to be running opie. Oct 12 01:31:13 supposedly there's even an opie-vlc. Oct 12 01:31:58 btw Oct 12 01:32:03 opie xmms Oct 12 01:32:04 is Oct 12 01:32:06 *CANUCKED* Oct 12 01:32:07 *CANUCKED* Oct 12 01:32:07 *CANUCKED* Oct 12 01:32:08 *CANUCKED* Oct 12 01:32:50 its canadian? Oct 12 01:32:53 :) Oct 12 01:33:00 lol Oct 12 01:48:59 ahhh i'm going crazy Oct 12 01:49:03 so much to read Oct 12 01:56:10 ah, in the hackndev archive is a howto thread for the C Oct 12 01:56:12 :O Oct 12 01:56:43 but back then they still used garux Oct 12 01:57:49 plenty of dead links there too :D Oct 12 02:06:13 alright guys Oct 12 02:06:18 i'll be back one of the following days Oct 12 02:06:23 gn **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 12 02:59:56 2009