**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 02:59:59 2012 May 07 23:47:55 what ever happened to reware? May 07 23:57:11 also, is this the official location of cocoboot.prc? http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/ May 07 23:57:34 also, are you guys aware that this link on your homepage is dead? http://l4p.hackndev.org/ May 07 23:57:45 let me know if you need someone to donate web development expertise May 07 23:58:13 i would happily do so in exchange for being able to read the documentation the rest of the internet claims was once on your site May 08 00:04:20 gnarface: no, miska isn't H&D for a long time May 08 00:04:33 try marex.hackndev.com/cocoboot.prc May 08 00:04:40 it was one of the latest builds May 08 00:05:12 gnarface: you need to prod farcaller|afk to restart l4p page May 08 00:05:40 thanks Marex May 08 00:06:02 farcaller|afk: you reading any of this? hit me back man May 08 00:06:04 gnarface: what device did you say you have ? May 08 00:06:36 Marex: palm T5. according to miska's page the files still linked there should be sufficient to boot it May 08 00:06:49 Marex: but obviously if there's newer stuff i'm interested May 08 00:07:15 gnarface: well ... palmt5 is well supported by mainline kernel, anything on miska's page is obsolete May 08 00:08:38 hmm. noted May 08 01:07:35 Marex: aside from being obsolete, miska's page is also the only place i've seen still-live links to purportedly actually complete, compiled, built, and bootable images that don't specifically exclude (in fact they explicitly include) my palm model May 08 01:07:49 Marex: got anything newer for that? May 08 01:08:30 Marex: i tried to look into emdebian but all their documentation is allegorical as well and also points back to dead links on your website May 08 01:08:53 Marex: if you're holding out for cash, just name your price and if i can afford it i'll pay it May 08 01:09:02 Marex: i just want to stop guessing May 08 01:10:21 Marex: by all accounts documented through google you are the only one who knows how to do this that didn't vaporize in 2008 May 08 01:15:50 Marex: the official word from anyone who doesn't reference hackndev as their project's main source of info is that linux never has and never will boot on any model of palm hardware (despite the fact youtube has videos of it happening) May 08 01:26:17 gnarface: wait May 08 01:26:50 gnarface: you can't afford hiring me ;-) May 08 01:27:02 gnarface: and I don't want to charge you ... so don't bring it up again :) May 08 01:27:18 gnarface: can you compile your own kernel ? May 08 01:28:29 Marex: you mean can i in general compile my own kernel comfortably on arbitrary PC hardware? yes and i have done so on possibly hundreds of occasions. its a necessary skill when you like bleeding-edge gaming hardware but are masochistic enough to boot linux on it May 08 01:29:27 Marex: as for *cross-compiling* my own kernel to something stranger like ARM devices... i seem to have completely failed the intelligence check on that one. i can't even find a live link on how to get my hands on a cross-compiler May 08 01:32:36 gnarface: got time now ? May 08 01:32:49 gnarface: is your PC amd64 or i386 ? do you use debian or something else ? May 08 01:33:25 amd64, debian May 08 01:33:30 http://twilight.ponies.cz/debian/amd64/ May 08 01:33:36 fresh out of buildmachine ;-) May 08 01:33:41 although i have at my disposal several other machines of various age May 08 01:33:50 so ... May 08 01:33:56 edit /etc/apt/sources.list May 08 01:34:00 add the following entries ... May 08 01:34:14 deb http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ unstable main May 08 01:34:14 deb-src http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ unstable main May 08 01:34:14 deb http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ testing main May 08 01:34:14 deb-src http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ testing main May 08 01:34:14 deb http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ lenny main May 08 01:34:16 deb-src http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ lenny main May 08 01:35:03 deb http://twilight.ponies.cz/debian/amd64/ ./ May 08 01:35:09 these seven entries May 08 01:35:14 sheesh May 08 01:35:28 ok so, i'm a fairly experienced debian user and i have a question about these entries May 08 01:35:30 this should get you a decent, up-to-date crosscompiler May 08 01:35:46 gnarface: yes, you need some apt-pinning setup May 08 01:35:48 lenny is deprecated May 08 01:35:57 good point, I should remove that one :p May 08 01:36:09 i'm not on testing either May 08 01:36:16 so if i were on sid, i'd only need the first two, right? May 08 01:36:16 gnarface: so on what are you ? May 08 01:36:22 yes May 08 01:36:27 i have a sid box and a bout a dozen squeeze boxes May 08 01:36:48 could i just swap lenny for sid ? May 08 01:36:53 er, lenny for squeeze? May 08 01:37:04 ok May 08 01:37:35 naw, just remove the entry ... it's deprecated May 08 01:38:32 ok so from sid i only need the first two and deb http://twilight.ponies.cz/debian/amd64/ ./ ? May 08 01:38:50 yes May 08 01:39:02 I'm rebuilding my toolchains as the emdebian toolchains usually have some missing deps May 08 01:39:07 so I have two machines doing builds here May 08 01:39:25 do you have a pubkey for that repo? May 08 01:39:47 no May 08 01:39:56 it's just for my personal usage anyway May 08 01:40:17 W: GPG error: http://www.emdebian.org unstable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B5B7720097BB3B58 May 08 01:40:24 emdebian has pubkey May 08 01:40:31 emdebian-archive-keyring May 08 01:41:42 poor asuka ... still building armhf/i386 :/ May 08 01:42:35 gnarface: now ... git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git May 08 01:43:31 2.6 kernel? what for? May 08 01:43:57 well you need some kernel to boot the palmt5 May 08 01:44:11 true May 08 01:44:27 i had that 3.2 kernel configured though via your instructions previously May 08 01:44:37 i just couldn't get my hands on a cross-compiler to actually build it May 08 01:46:14 cloning that nonetheless, but ... if you don't have a .config for it ideal for the palm t5 i don't know that it'll be any more successful than my 3.2 configure May 08 01:46:31 use that 3.2 config May 08 01:46:44 use this compiler ... apt-get install gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabi May 08 01:46:55 apt-get build-dep linux-image (or something ... you know the drill) May 08 01:47:38 gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabi is from one of the emdebian sources? (google and opera sources are lagging my package list update... *sigh*) May 08 01:48:17 gnarface: that one should be most up-to-date in my repo May 08 01:49:39 hmm May 08 01:50:05 between sid and squeeze, do you think there's a difference in viability for this test? May 08 01:50:27 i'm tempted to use a squeeze machine i have sitting here rather than the sid desktop i'm actually working with at the moment May 08 01:50:28 what test ? May 08 01:50:34 sid is fragile you see May 08 01:50:48 I use testing ... and the toolchains were also built on testing May 08 01:51:00 I dunno what's the current testing codename May 08 01:51:06 wheezy May 08 01:51:15 so I use wheezy/sid ;-) May 08 01:51:29 so you'd advise i chose testing to try it first, all things being equal? May 08 01:51:44 it doesn't matter I believe May 08 01:52:58 ok May 08 01:58:03 ok this is gonna take some time May 08 01:58:18 working on it May 08 01:58:31 gotta bring something up to date first May 08 02:00:08 gnarface: what's your timezone ? May 08 02:00:13 it's 4am in here May 08 02:01:15 oh, you're going to sleep soon? May 08 02:01:20 7PM here May 08 02:01:51 gnarface: I might be awake by the time you finished May 08 02:02:11 heh, possibly May 08 02:02:27 thanks for your help May 08 02:02:32 i'll post my results when i've got some May 08 02:02:40 gnarface: well ... you'll have a crosscompiler by then May 08 02:02:49 you can write the stuff here, I'll read it later or something May 08 02:02:53 cool May 08 02:02:58 peace **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 08 03:00:01 2012