**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 08 03:00:02 2012 May 08 07:20:41 Marex: installed gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabi now into a fresh wheezy chroot, seems to have installed fine May 08 07:22:59 Marex: so what should the cross_compile variable be set to here now? ARCH="arm" CROSS_COMPILE="arm-linux-gnueabi-" make zImage May 08 07:23:25 Marex: i see more than a dozen different arm-linux-gnueabi-* binaries in /usr/bin May 08 07:26:47 Marex: i suspect something relatively simple is wrong here with my command or my setup; when i run this for example: ARCH="arm" CROSS_COMPILE="/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.7" make zImage ... May 08 07:27:03 Marex: ... i get (amongst other things) this error: /bin/sh: 1: /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.7gcc: not found May 08 07:27:17 so something is tacking an extra 'gcc' onto the end there May 08 07:30:29 Marex: well whatever i fixed it with a symlink and now it seems to be building properly May 08 07:30:58 Marex: let me know if i picked the right binary to symlink to - i used arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.7 May 08 07:37:25 Marex: hmm. wow it seemed to have finished quicker than i expected May 08 07:37:45 gnarface: you missed dash at the end of CROSS_COMPILE May 08 07:38:07 singler: ? May 08 07:38:20 singler: ARCH="arm" CROSS_COMPILE="arm-linux-gnueabi-" make zImage you don't see a - at the end of this? May 08 07:38:37 10:26:47 < gnarface> Marex: i suspect something relatively simple is wrong here with my command or my setup; when i run this for example: ARCH="arm" CROSS_COMPILE="/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.7" make zImage ... May 08 07:39:04 oh, wait.. :) May 08 07:39:06 singler: yea but that wasn't the first command i tried, that was just the first i tried that points to an existing binary May 08 07:39:20 singler: arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.7- doesn't exist either so... ? May 08 07:39:33 yes, yes, I missread that line May 08 07:39:53 singler: no worries. did i at least pick the right one? there's a ton of them and i'm not clear on the difference May 08 07:40:21 I do not know for which cpu you are compiling.. :) May 08 07:40:41 singler: the one in a palm t5 May 08 07:41:13 singler: xscale something or another May 08 07:41:30 long time ago I compiled kernel for T|X, but now I do not remember what cross_compile I used May 08 07:42:47 singler: well according to the kernel config its "PXA2xx/PXA3xx-based" May 08 07:42:51 if you have only "arm-linux-gnueabi-*" then probably you do not have much choise.. :) May 08 07:43:50 singler: believe it or not i have 23 choices matching that pattern May 08 07:45:21 you they all start with "arm-linux-gnueabi-*", you have one choice - ""arm-linux-gnueabi-" :) May 08 07:45:54 hmm. yea except i had to symlink arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc to one of them for that to work May 08 07:46:11 otherwise i get file not found May 08 07:46:24 that said... it built May 08 07:46:31 i wonder if it'll boot... May 08 07:46:37 idea is, you set cross_compile, and during kompilation make add needed program to it, so you would get "arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc", etc May 08 07:47:13 hmm May 08 07:47:27 so chances are this supposedly complete build of the zImage is not going to work ? May 08 07:47:39 where did you link it? May 08 07:47:46 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 May 8 07:29 /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -> arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.7* May 08 07:49:25 it should work May 08 07:49:33 interesting May 08 07:49:36 ok May 08 07:49:46 I guess generic "gcc" was not created May 08 07:49:51 so now i have a kernel. any advice what to do for the rest of the system? May 08 07:50:06 install modules ;) May 08 07:50:18 i meant like, a bootable filesytem root May 08 07:50:37 something for this kernel to boot into May 08 07:50:52 it needs *something* right? May 08 07:50:59 for start you could use some busybox setup, so you would know it works May 08 07:51:11 are there any opie images around? May 08 07:51:34 i found a couple on an old site from 2008 ... opie-rootfs-expo-20080505-ext2.tgz May 08 07:52:04 i was hoping for a debian-based root though, it'd be nice to be able to get it booting then be able to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade May 08 07:52:53 then get arm build and use it :) May 08 07:53:19 singler: can't figure out how to get from debian's arm installer to there May 08 07:53:42 singler: debian only distributes installers, not installed root filesystems May 08 07:54:17 oh May 08 07:54:37 singler: if i could have figured out how to use the debian armel installer on this thing we wouldn't be having this conversation May 08 07:54:49 :P May 08 07:54:52 singler: anyway, thanks for your help. its late here, and its past my bedtime May 08 07:55:05 np May 08 07:55:15 btw May 08 07:55:23 you can try gentoo stage3 :) May 08 07:55:32 I think they have arm version too May 08 07:55:34 haha May 08 07:55:54 you would have minimal system this way :) May 08 07:56:36 and I guess if you would extract some basic packages of debian on it, you probably would get functional debian May 08 07:56:47 fun story: i once burned out 1.5GB of what was (and still is) very expensive pc133 apple titanium powerbook laptop ram trying to bootstrap gentoo onto it May 08 07:57:04 anyway May 08 07:57:19 i'm gonna drink a tall glass of brandy and pass out May 08 07:57:25 thanks again May 08 07:57:41 np, good night ;) May 08 10:07:48 sigh May 08 12:22:52 :) May 08 16:15:28 i yet live May 08 16:15:36 Marex: what's your suggestion for userland? May 08 16:15:56 Marex: should i try this ancient build of opie i got from miska's site first? May 08 17:20:07 while Marex answers, I would suggest "yes" :) this way you at least would try something on it :) May 08 17:34:05 ok May 08 18:19:37 gnarface: it won't work with new kernel probably ... debootstrap some debian armel May 08 18:22:30 hmm May 08 18:22:35 i can debootstrap an alternate arch? May 08 18:22:47 like, i could debootstrap armel from my amd64 machine? May 08 18:22:55 never even thought of that... May 08 18:23:08 multistrap May 08 18:23:35 ok thanks for the tip May 08 18:23:48 i'm having some problems with flaky sd cards/readers at the moment its holding me back May 08 18:24:02 i still haven't got a chance to run cocoboot yet to even try it May 08 18:25:01 is it required that cocoboot be "installed" in the palm fashion (to system ram like the native apps) or can i run it off the SD card too like my nes and zork emulators? May 08 18:44:45 neat May 08 18:44:53 well it tried running and then kernel panicked May 08 18:45:05 i guess i'll try debootstrap May 08 18:54:59 singler: fyi the opie userland *does* work if i use miska's kernel May 08 19:00:11 gnarface: can't find init ? May 08 19:04:13 Marex: maybe? not sure it went by so fast it was a huge dump then kernel panic May 08 19:04:31 gnarface: add rootwait kernel parameter May 08 19:04:36 also, change font to 4x6 May 08 19:15:20 wow this palm pilot is very close to actually being useful for the first time ever May 08 19:15:30 thanks for all the help! May 08 19:16:08 i think i'd rather have debian than running a new kernel with this old opie build, but i'll try that rootwait and font settings if i have to May 08 19:16:45 did they ever fix that problem where the 'reboot' command bricks the palm? May 08 19:17:24 one limitation of this old opie build i've noticed is that i have to use the hard reset button (the pinhole one on the back) because according to miska's site reboot is unsafe May 08 19:23:15 Marex: possibly the kernel i built may be missing an initrd.img? May 08 19:23:39 hmm. more like probably... May 08 19:36:16 gnarface: add rootwait root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 or ... whichever SD partition is your debian on May 08 20:00:28 jesus fucking christ May 08 20:00:45 people in #debian-arm have serious palm envy of me now May 08 20:01:00 they're actually trying to convince me not to do this because it will be useless and slow May 08 20:01:20 i can't even get through all that to get them to tell me how May 08 20:01:42 despite the fact i'm looking at opie right now and ... its fine May 08 20:01:45 its plenty fast May 08 20:01:47 and useful May 08 20:04:07 gnarface: debian-arm @ debian irc? May 08 20:05:04 Marex: on OFTC May 08 20:05:18 major jealousy its oozing out of their pores May 08 20:05:40 i think its possible they still think i'm lying that it booted May 08 20:05:57 you da man May 08 20:16:47 see what i mean? May 08 20:17:17 its driving him fucking ape shit that i actually managed to boot a linux distro on this thing, and now he's scrambling to try and convince himself i wasted my time May 08 20:17:59 fact of the matter is if he hadn't thrown out his old palm pilots he'd be copying miska's opie image to an SD card right fucking now May 08 20:18:10 i bet he can't admit that to himself though May 08 20:30:35 it's all 'miska' 'miska' blah bla. ... this is pissing me off even hearing that fuckin name May 08 20:38:42 bad blood? sorry i'll try to stop bringing him up May 08 20:39:13 that page of his was just the only place still live with a proof-of-concept that wasn't just a youtube video with no other info May 08 21:00:39 very bad May 08 21:00:46 gnarface: so ... you're getting n900 ? :) May 08 21:01:02 debian crowd seems quite convincing May 08 21:01:16 hah May 08 21:01:19 i very well may actually May 08 21:01:34 i'm not done abusing this palm yet though May 08 21:06:07 well ... gnight, I'm tired today and I have work to do tomorrow May 08 21:06:47 have a good one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:58 2012