**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 09 03:00:03 2017 Nov 09 16:53:32 I wonder who invented 2-pint mugs? The head is still aching :((( Nov 09 16:59:08 ^_^' Nov 09 16:59:15 slapin_: I just got proper U-Boot on V3M Nov 09 16:59:35 slapin_: did V3M arrive in your rack already or still stuck with Gen2 Nov 09 16:59:36 ? Nov 09 17:01:13 I woll not have gen3 as I have gen2 project till the end of this year Nov 09 18:09:49 I have silk, porter, koelsch now Nov 09 18:12:45 whoosh! Nov 09 18:54:52 * slapin unfreezes beer using laptop Nov 09 19:43:55 damn why I can't remove official tv channels from my subscription and have more pr0n ones? Nov 09 19:50:21 btw I wonder if I photo the mirror will the camera burn? Nov 09 19:53:48 * slapin really wants to see real castle :( Nov 09 20:00:03 slapin: didn't you have some celebration going on in the past few days ? :) Nov 09 20:00:38 slapin: isn't pr0n illegal in russia ? I think you mentioned it during one of our drinking evenings :) Nov 09 21:35:16 Marex: there is catch to it Nov 09 21:35:40 Marex: there is no definition what pr0n is and what erotic art is Nov 09 21:35:57 Marex: and that is used by cable operators Nov 09 21:37:31 Marex: also you can't show explicit material during day, so the good ones are shown strictly 2am-6pm Nov 09 21:38:56 Marex: at other times the shows are softcore (i.e. camera angles, cuts, simulation, other kinds of censorship, but bluring is rare (unless original have it)) Nov 09 21:39:47 Marex: the day time shows are so obviously simulated that they are not worth watching, the exclusion is playboy channel Nov 09 21:40:28 Marex: however internet sites are generally blocked so you need VPN/IPv6 to watch Nov 09 21:41:08 ^_^' Nov 09 21:41:18 Marex: IPv6 is good for devices which can't VPN but do IPv6 (like some android TVs) Nov 09 21:42:01 Marex: also they did not learn to block IPv6 for political censorship Nov 09 21:44:15 Marex: if you gonna start commercially make pr0n in Russia you will need to know that it is illegal to make and sell pron here. So your company should be registered in Cyprus or other offshore without easy access by FSB and sell overseas or other contries and never sell locally Nov 09 21:44:46 * Marex facepalms Nov 09 21:45:13 Marex: also non-commercial supplying of p0rn is illegal too, so the act of transferring to third party is illegal Nov 09 21:45:41 slapin: errrr ... good to know Nov 09 21:46:04 Marex: the making part is hard to enforce and was never checked in court, so for now it is considered safe and we have huge p0rn making industry here Nov 09 21:47:28 Marex: but recieving p0rn is legal as long as you're fair buyer/reciever, i.e. downloading if fine if it was not blocked Nov 09 21:48:03 Marex: however if you share your home made porn with your friends that might get you to jail Nov 09 21:49:13 Marex: if your friends send complaints. Also this is FSB area, so that is considered serious crime on the same scale as terrorism and social networking reposts. Nov 09 21:49:55 Marex: basically you get the same fine as for murder or higher Nov 09 21:50:40 Marex: and that is abused for statistics as it is easier to catch (and invent) online crimes than real ones Nov 09 21:51:06 slapin: when will we get to the KGB part ? :-) Nov 09 21:51:10 Marex: so they can show a thousands of crimes resolved per day Nov 09 21:51:31 Marex: sorry, nothing left from KGB, only a shadow Nov 09 21:52:40 Marex: there is no dark force any more, only people and their motives, no some high goal (if you do not consider doing everything for single man to feel good a goal). Nov 09 21:54:34 Marex: the system is very corrupt until some people are involved Nov 09 21:55:26 Marex: they removed lowest part of society corruption, but top one is still intact as there are the same people as were in soviet union Nov 09 21:57:36 Marex: now ou don't need to bribe to get food or supplemental goods like kerosine or alcohol, but when it comes to some decisions like allowing to get better electricity in old building, etc. still require bribing in many cases. Nov 09 21:58:42 Marex: also you need to bribe to get your kid to kindergarten in case you want to have a choice. Nov 09 21:59:45 Marex: this all is very subjective and depends on person's circumstances, most common bribery is quite cheam like 500-2000 rubles, so people consider it norm Nov 09 22:00:07 Marex: I think a lot of countries in Europe live like this, too. Nov 09 22:01:41 Marex: my country now looks like some Americas state which lives to make single person feel good and to implement that person ambitions, and most of people are fine with that Nov 09 22:02:51 I'm not quite sure about that :-) Nov 09 22:04:04 Marex: more than that they associate their well being with that person; the Adam Smith theory is not met too well and you might get to jail for it. Nov 09 22:05:29 Marex: I think you never talked to people who represent majority of country population, so you don't know. Nov 09 22:06:46 slapin: what do you mean ? Nov 09 22:07:10 Marex: SPb has biggest in % anti-regime population (Moscow has biggest one in numbers) but 86% do support everything which happens regardless of consequences. Nov 09 22:09:52 Marex: because of very simple thing - everyone wants powerful country, with rockets, everyhing, military powerful, nobody cares about economy and new world. It is not impoerant how bad people live, it is more important that a person who is only one who can make the country powerful and can bring a glimpse of soviet union back feels well and have all the resources needed. Nov 09 22:10:46 Marex: because it is easier this way, as this was this way for 70 years and everybody feels more comfortable this way Nov 09 22:12:11 Marex: programmers and other people who get above 1M rubles per year are considered minority (less than 10%) and nobody cares about them Nov 09 22:13:30 Marex: people want ald easy life, they idealized SU and now all they want is go back, including old territories, everything, even if it is just imitation, and there is only one person who gives that to them, and he is getting stronger and stronger Nov 09 22:16:52 Marex: try watching russian tv, you will see. Now all central channels are exclusively anti-western and nazi-patriotic style propaganda, a lot of money is in there, movies, serials, fake news, etc., everything is so stupid and looks like farie tale, but per Geggels law it works very well Nov 09 22:18:40 heh Nov 09 22:18:42 Marex: so basically if you go to some smaller town not frequented by tourists or the one without university, they will be very hostile Nov 09 22:18:55 * Marex goes open some freedom beer Nov 09 22:19:53 Marex: as many people watch tv whole day and turn into zombies and while at your home you choose what you watch, when you go to your relatives you can't choose. Nov 09 22:21:15 ^_^' Nov 09 22:21:46 Marex: also while a few years ago people watched many different channels now people mostly watch official channels as they supply shows in form of 'war chronics' so people mobilze Nov 09 22:25:29 Marex: watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwLvPR2KedI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKDFkq8AeC8 Nov 09 22:25:36 Marex: try to use captions Nov 09 22:25:49 Marex: basically hate speach Hitler-style Nov 09 22:26:55 Marex: this is like 90% of time like this, also some shows have fake opponents soecially depicted badly or pressured over. Nov 09 22:28:06 Marex: this style of propaganda was invented by Paul Joseph Gebbels and not changed at all Nov 09 22:30:19 Marex: in general they target lowest intelligence/education/criticism people and depend on them to spread it and this way they get momentum. most of the talks are utter bullshit hate speach on various topics with very far fetched proclamations Nov 09 22:31:05 Marex: I think if they put UFO in there and shown some aliens, people would still consume it Nov 09 22:35:01 Marex: this way they very quickly manipulate people's opinion (have you read 1984? the same way) so people start to like something, then next week they start to hate it. it was started durin Ukraine crisis Nov 09 22:38:47 Marex: they made sure that people will hate Ukraine people, not only their government or protesters, and before that people actually considered Ukraine as friendly country. They used usual xenophoby, invented theory that Ukraine as people do not exist and everything done was only for justoce. They also gone as far as changed school hostry books regarding midle-ages history and 16-century events. Nov 09 22:39:51 Marex: it is very large scale thing and there is very large money in it. Nov 09 22:43:58 Marex: they use it to shadow various corrupt and wasteful activities like Cromea bridge and Sahalin bridge, destruction of pension system, full blown oligarchy and militarism. Nov 09 22:47:33 Marex: also they implemented interesting system where a lot of people work on projects to watch over people in various ways, and it is large portion of IT companies Nov 09 22:49:24 Marex: so people basically make equipment to watch over themselves. I worked for a company which made equipment to globally record all voce calls + signalisation + storage Nov 09 22:50:15 Marex: it allowed much more power for FSB so they sould record all voice calls from whole country and not require any setups or select anybody Nov 09 22:50:49 Marex: they now use AI system to find suspicious talks which are then checked by human Nov 09 22:51:39 Marex: and adding to very corrupt system it is very dangerous mix Nov 09 22:52:32 Marex: but you can get a lot of money from these contracts, so even western companies work on these, when allowed. Nov 09 23:44:18 Marex: btw after your visit I think about visiting Kronstadt so to have one blank space filled in my local places to visit list... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt Nov 09 23:47:23 marex-cloud: ^ Nov 09 23:48:52 it looks like vikipedia can't have proper picture of the place as it is still military base, but you can use google search for one Nov 09 23:49:00 *wikipedia Nov 09 23:49:18 I wonder why I drink beer instead of work... Nov 09 23:49:59 probably because they said I need to finish by end of November but I have at leas 6 weeks of work... Nov 10 00:12:51 I wonder why so many youtubers do their youtube stuff in secret like something nasty... Nov 10 00:14:04 My friend was very upset about his 14 years old son, he thought he was on drugs, thankfully he was youtubing in secret... Nov 10 00:15:14 but it all looked like cocaine addiction (aggression, sneakiness)... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 10 02:59:59 2017