**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 10 03:00:05 2018 Jun 10 05:36:03 ;-; Jun 10 08:25:11 @jasousa, That process represents a kernel worker. … Does it use quite a bit of CPU before it ends? If it does, might be able to get a backtrace in order to see what it's doing. Jun 10 10:38:38 https://github.com/Halium/docs/pull/98 Jun 10 10:38:49 I'll create manifest and open an issue on projectmanagement later this week Jun 10 12:26:46 @reivilibre, This process don't consume much CPU. Don't know why but avoid start rootfs .... It's very annoying :-( Jun 10 12:27:54 @jasousa, What happens when you start the rootfs with it running? Reboot? Jun 10 12:31:18 No.. Still in boot logo and don't appear in lsub. Don't get ssh or telnet. Jun 10 12:32:08 I assume rootfs don't start, because when start I get plasma mobile interface Jun 10 12:34:09 It doesn't appear in lsusb or dmesg at all? Jun 10 14:21:33 So I am back to bother you guys again... Jun 10 14:23:08 Still attempting to build UT for kccat6 (Galaxy S5+) Jun 10 14:26:01 Anyone willing to help? I got stuck at building halium-boot Jun 10 14:27:15 Did someone purge the chat again? Jun 10 14:27:33 Oh wow, yeah, the chat has reset hasn't it? Jun 10 14:27:57 Did ivan say something about my defconf? Jun 10 14:29:04 @reivilibre, What? Jun 10 14:29:23 @UniversalSuperBox, there were messages between 12h34 and 14h21, that have vanished Jun 10 14:29:46 Thaaaat's weird Jun 10 14:30:13 Log disagrees Jun 10 14:30:20 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/38kDHJdq.png Jun 10 14:30:52 wow Jun 10 14:30:58 my messages really disappeared Jun 10 14:31:04 i did comment on the defconf Jun 10 14:31:11 and the defconf link is missing too Jun 10 14:31:16 Yea Jun 10 14:31:19 huh?? Jun 10 14:31:35 Oh wtf.. now I see what you mean Jun 10 14:31:49 (reading IRC backlog) Jun 10 14:32:07 I assume IRC logs and Matrix may still have them Jun 10 14:32:55 @vanyasem, What was wrong with it? Jun 10 14:37:40 @rupansh, nothing really. i asked whether you're sure that you're using the right defconfig for your device (and asked for a link to your device tree to check it myself). it's possible that the build tree overrides some of your flags, you might want to check the resulting `.config` file in the `out` directory (or just `zcat / Jun 10 14:37:40 proc/config.gz` on the device`). I don't really know what to do about it though Jun 10 14:39:50 @rupansh, [Edit] nothing really. i asked whether you're sure that you're using the right defconfig for your device (and asked for a link to your device tree to check it myself). it's possible that the build tree overrides some of your flags, you might want to check the resulting `.config` file in the `out` directory (or just Jun 10 14:39:50 `zcat /proc/config.gz` on the device). I don't really know what to do about it though Jun 10 14:43:10 @vanyasem, Wait, are you talking to me? Jun 10 14:43:51 @satcom886, i replied to Rupansh Jun 10 14:43:52 Ok, nevermind Jun 10 14:43:53 it's a generic response though Jun 10 14:43:58 it might apply to your device as well :P Jun 10 14:45:06 I do not see any .config files in my out directory... Jun 10 14:46:10 `out/target/product/CODENAME/obj/KERNEL_OBJ/.config` Jun 10 14:46:46 Ah, there it is...thanks Jun 10 14:47:00 [Edit] `out/target/product/${CODENAME}/obj/KERNEL_OBJ/.config` Jun 10 14:59:18 @vanyasem, All right. right now i have an electricity outage here so it might take a few hours till i am able to debug though. Also internet is constantly dropping so sorry for late replies Jun 10 15:05:29 Hi, it's me (again) I've a problem when I build halium for my phone … I think that it's just a remote problem can you help me please Jun 10 15:05:30 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/de7eVbW8.png Jun 10 15:05:33 Hi, it's me (again) I've a problem when I build halium for my phone … I think that it's just a remote problem can you help me please Jun 10 15:05:35 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/3Vtk04ux.png Jun 10 15:05:58 Nothing is wrong Jun 10 15:06:19 really ? Jun 10 15:06:34 Yep Jun 10 15:06:43 Continue with the guide Jun 10 15:06:43 You only configured but didn't start the build Jun 10 15:07:11 ah okay I was thinking that it was a problem … Thanks :D Jun 10 15:08:52 In fairness the 'Trying ...?' message does look a bit worrying :P Jun 10 15:09:07 [Edit] In fairness the 'Trying ...?' message does look a bit worrying :P when you're not used to it Jun 10 15:09:35 @reivilibre, That true ;) Jun 10 15:12:00 need i fix the qcom.fstab if i use halium-boot? Jun 10 15:13:14 why would you edit that Jun 10 15:14:13 dunno Jun 10 15:14:17 ubport docs says that Jun 10 15:15:12 where Jun 10 15:15:21 show me a link to it Jun 10 15:15:30 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/building-ubports-boot.html#fix-mounts Jun 10 15:16:00 i'm lost after u and ivan told me to use halium-boot Jun 10 15:17:53 http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/build-sources.html Jun 10 15:18:11 follow that guide but instead of `mka hybris-boot` do `mka halium-boot` Jun 10 15:18:21 if I'm not mistaken that should work Jun 10 15:20:44 and the script to check the kernel config should I use both (ubports and halium) or only halium? Jun 10 15:20:57 [Edit] and the script to check the kernel config should I use both (ubports and halium) or only halium one? Jun 10 15:21:57 @VeryOriginalUsername, worked for me Jun 10 15:22:11 @Lyud Xaker, no idea, try halium one Jun 10 15:22:18 There is an issue on the projectmanagement repo describing the usage of halium-boot Jun 10 15:22:40 https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/55 Jun 10 15:23:07 Hey JBBgameich, you have that QML rendering bug right? Jun 10 15:26:29 Yes, with the Plasma Mobile caf image. I totally forgot to ask in #qt-quick about a possible fix for it ... Jun 10 15:27:09 @JBBgameich, I have the same issue (on HTC 10) so if you need any testing or anything I could do to help, please feel free to ping me. And sorry for OT, this is the Halium channel isn't it :P Jun 10 15:28:01 Does the HTC 10 also have an adreno 505 GPU? Jun 10 15:28:21 Adreno 530 Jun 10 15:30:13 [Edit] Adreno 530 (it's also CAF / Snapdragon 820 / MSM8996 btw) Jun 10 15:35:32 @Lyud Xaker, Yep Jun 10 15:35:38 Remove `context=` Jun 10 15:35:46 [Edit] Remove `context=` from options Jun 10 15:36:09 i was talking about data partition, my fstab never had the context thing Jun 10 15:36:16 @reivilibre, Yeah, i reported it a long time ago, but unfortunately i am too stupid to fix it Jun 10 15:36:22 It's a kwin bug Jun 10 15:36:25 Doesn't halium-devices do that? https://github.com/Halium/halium-devices/blob/halium-7.1/setup#L64 Jun 10 15:36:36 (talking about the fstab thing) Jun 10 15:36:36 @vanyasem, It's not Jun 10 15:36:43 @Lyud Xaker, Both. Prefer what halium script says Jun 10 15:36:56 Or well, it's qtquick bug to be precise Jun 10 15:37:11 @bhushanshah, Oliver was referring to the htc 10 issue Jun 10 15:37:17 Given non QML apps work fine Jun 10 15:37:19 Yes Jun 10 15:37:20 @vanyasem, JBBs issue is different Jun 10 15:37:24 I assume Jun 10 15:37:40 No it's not different :) Jun 10 15:37:46 I remember it had something to do with xwayland Jun 10 15:37:56 Is my memory playing a bad joke with me? Jun 10 15:38:10 @vanyasem, Maybe. 🤔 Jun 10 15:38:18 For example Chess works, but Koko doesn't work, and the lock screen doesn't appear (so when it goes to sleep I don't know how to unlock it again :P) Jun 10 15:38:53 @reivilibre, From ssh `sudo loginctl unlock-sessions` Jun 10 15:39:15 @bhushanshah, Cheers, I'll try that next time Jun 10 15:40:05 @reivilibre, I also know the problem of unlocking not always working from my device. Jun 10 15:42:45 I also have more than one battery in the power management section on the top pull-down panel Jun 10 15:43:16 That's known bug Jun 10 15:43:33 Fair enough. It's not a breaker of course but it was just a bit funny :P Jun 10 16:01:41 halium-boot fails to boot and there is no "diagnosis.log" file Jun 10 16:02:45 Did you read https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/40? Jun 10 16:03:33 ops, i forgot to Jun 10 16:19:41 "/bin/sh: systemctl: not found" Jun 10 16:26:27 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/dIbRu465.png Hi, I do I need to put the line with a commentary (check the photo) in the fixup-mountpoints file … And do I need to but the last to line ? Jun 10 16:28:23 @Lyud Xaker, im connected through telnet and i can't find out systemctl Jun 10 16:31:13 even /bin/bash doesn't exist Jun 10 16:31:22 @Lyud Xaker, because you haven't booted the system Jun 10 16:31:37 it's an init fallback shell to debug init failures Jun 10 16:31:55 ofc it's just a minimal initramfs Jun 10 16:32:01 i typed "echo continue > /init-ctl/stdin" and reboots Jun 10 16:32:18 it means it failed to boot and got into debug mode again Jun 10 16:32:22 you have to figure out why Jun 10 16:32:32 you will get and SSH connection once you boot your rootfs Jun 10 16:32:37 as written in the docs Jun 10 16:32:50 hybris boot worked and halium boot doesnt Jun 10 16:33:06 also I don't have any diagnosis.log Jun 10 16:33:08 which rootfs are you trying to boot with halium-boot? Jun 10 16:33:14 ubports rootfs Jun 10 16:33:39 better ask in @ubports_porting Jun 10 16:34:29 because this chat is for general halium questions, this issue is OS-specific (assuming you can boot reference rootfs with hybris-boot, and lxc/tests work) Jun 10 16:34:52 a'ight Jun 10 16:35:26 @Lyud Xaker, i am not sure if halium-boot even has that feature Jun 10 17:08:08 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/aZ6xLC6s.png Hi, i have this issue when I build systemimage … Can you help me pls ? Jun 10 17:11:28 you didn't modify your device tree Jun 10 17:13:08 no Jun 10 17:13:46 which ? What do you mean Jun 10 17:14:06 https://github.com/OpenKirin/android_vendor_huawei_alice/blob/7.x/alice-vendor.mk Jun 10 17:14:22 remove `PRODUCT_PACKAGES += \ … gnss_supl20service_hisi` Jun 10 17:14:35 [Edit] remove `PRODUCT_PACKAGES += gnss_supl20service_hisi` Jun 10 17:15:28 ok but how i can do it because it's on github Jun 10 17:15:57 `nano vendor/huawei/alice/alice-vendor.mk` Jun 10 17:16:10 or use a graphical one if that's your thing Jun 10 17:16:12 ok thanks Jun 10 17:17:33 yeah that works now … thanks a lot for your support Jun 10 17:18:13 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/JQsFcA0X.webp Jun 10 17:19:43 🤣🤣 Jun 10 17:21:13 @RavengamerSpace, btw, you only need to do this manually because the device tree is missing an extract-files.sh script to regenerate the makefile. Jun 10 17:21:44 Normally the `halium/devices/setup` would handle everything on its own. Jun 10 17:23:41 @JBBgameich, or if have no possibility of plugging in your device :shrug: Jun 10 17:23:55 like working in gcloud Jun 10 17:24:00 @JBBgameich, [Edit] or if you have no possibility of plugging in your device :shrug: Jun 10 17:24:13 [Edit] like working in cloud Jun 10 17:24:19 wait I'm wrong, I meant the setup-makefiles.sh script Jun 10 17:24:47 @RavengamerSpace, [Edit] btw, you only need to do this manually because the device tree is missing an setup-makefiles.sh script to regenerate the makefile. Jun 10 17:25:02 [Edit] wait I'm wrong, I meant the setup-makefiles.sh script. … (Corrected the original message) Jun 10 17:25:45 @JBBgameich, So it will be better if I go in this folder Jun 10 17:26:24 No, what Konrad said is the correct solution. Jun 10 17:28:25 ah ok but i have an another problem (is not so easy) Jun 10 17:29:08 Can you post the log of the new problem? Jun 10 17:29:22 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LSRVPQp0.png I just have this error after the command mka systemimage Jun 10 17:30:00 wah this screenshot is in poor quality Jun 10 17:30:19 maybe that it's better Jun 10 17:30:21 Running kati to generate build-lineage_alice.ninja... … No need to regenerate ninja file … Starting build with ninja … ninja: Entering directory `.' … [ 0% 7/19251] Lex: libsepol_32 <= external/selinux/libsepol/cil/src/cil_lexer.l … FAILED: /bin/bash -c "prebuilts/misc/linux-x86/flex/flex-2.5.39 -o/home/mathieu/halium/out/h Jun 10 17:30:21 ost/linux-x86/obj32/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libsepol_intermediates/cil/src/cil_lexer.c external/selinux/libsepol/cil/src/cil_lexer.l" … flex-2.5.39: loadlocale.c:130: _nl_intern_locale_data: Assertion `cnt < (sizeof (_nl_value_type_LC_TIME) / sizeof (_nl_value_type_LC_TIME[0]))' failed. … Aborted (core dumped) … [ 0% 7/19251] Building Kernel Config … mak Jun 10 17:30:21 e : on entre dans le répertoire « /home/mathieu/halium/kernel/huawei/alice » … GEN /home/mathieu/halium/out/target/product/alice/obj/KERNEL_OBJ/Makefile … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:570:warning: override: reassigning to symbol NETFILTER_XT_TARGET_NFLOG … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:2857:warning: override: reassigning to symbol Jun 10 17:30:21 SWITCH_FSA9685 … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:2858:warning: override: reassigning to symbol SWITCH_USB_CLS … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:2859:warning: override: reassigning to symbol FSA9685_DEBUG_FS … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:3405:warning: override: reassigning to symbol SRECORDER … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:3416:wa Jun 10 17:30:21 rning: override: reassigning to symbol DUMP_SYS_INFO … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:3418:warning: override: reassigning to symbol DUMP_ALLCPU_STACK … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:3420:warning: override: reassigning to symbol DUMP_ALLPS_INFO … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:3422:warning: override: reassigning to symbol DUMP_CURRENT_P Jun 10 17:30:22 S_BACKTRACE … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:3424:warning: override: reassigning to symbol DUMP_SLAB_INFO … arch/arm64/configs/alice_defconfig:3430:warning: override: reassigning to symbol POWERCOLLAPSE … # … # configuration written to .config … # … make : on quitte le répertoire « /home/mathieu/halium/kernel/huawei/alice » … make : on entre da Jun 10 17:30:22 ns le répertoire « /home/mathieu/halium/kernel/huawei/alice » … GEN /home/mathieu/halium/out/target/product/alice/obj/KERNEL_OBJ/Makefile … scripts/kconfig/conf --savedefconfig=defconfig Kconfig … make : on quitte le répertoire « /home/mathieu/halium/kernel/huawei/alice » … ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. … build/core/ninja.mk:151: r Jun 10 17:30:23 ecipe for target 'ninja_wrapper' failed … make: *** [ninja_wrapper] Error 1 … make : on quitte le répertoire « /home/mathieu/halium » … #### make failed to build some targets (4 seconds) #### Jun 10 17:30:30 i know the error, unfortunately it only appears on very recent distributions. I solved it by setting up a debian stretch chroot and building there. Jun 10 17:30:33 @RavengamerSpace, Please post your logs to pastebin Jun 10 17:30:39 @bhushanshah, . Jun 10 17:30:42 Never post more than 3 lines to telegram Jun 10 17:31:06 @JBBgameich, soory Jun 10 17:31:11 i will delete it Jun 10 17:31:30 @RavengamerSpace, That won't delete it from IRC though Jun 10 17:31:41 🤦‍♂️ Jun 10 17:32:12 https://pastebin.com/yZkE8bcy Jun 10 17:32:45 @JBBgameich, So you mean that i need to re-do all the step Jun 10 17:32:51 No ..? Jun 10 17:33:10 So how I can solve the problem Jun 10 17:33:17 You just need to build inside a chroot or find a different fix for this. Jun 10 17:33:24 Or docker or whatever you like to use Jun 10 17:33:41 @RavengamerSpace, export LC_ALL=C Jun 10 17:33:47 okay i will check that Jun 10 17:33:49 mymike00 was added by: mymike00 Jun 10 17:33:50 @RavengamerSpace, could you please set your locale to C prior to building? Jun 10 17:33:57 so that it's in English that I can read <.< Jun 10 17:34:23 @Lyud Xaker, yes, this Jun 10 17:34:35 @mymike00, welcome Jun 10 17:41:49 thanks @vanyasem Jun 10 17:51:50 interesting Jun 10 17:51:51 (Photo, 634x447) https://irc.ubports.com/pyHIy6r9.png Jun 10 18:56:04 Hi all, I'm trying to port halium on the bq e4.5 … @JBBgameich gave me all the built files and now I'm trying to flash the phone. … with both `hybris-boot.img` and `halium-boot.img` and the halium rootfs the phone goes in bootloop.... Jun 10 19:04:41 with bootloop you means stays on the logo or rebooting? Jun 10 19:06:02 rebooting, inside a loop of switching on and off Jun 10 19:07:24 for testing the halium rootfs you need hybris-boot flashed Jun 10 19:07:49 which step are you stuck with? Jun 10 19:07:58 @Lyud Xaker, I have that one right now Jun 10 19:08:18 @Lyud Xaker, after I flashed the rootfs the phone is in bootloop Jun 10 19:09:40 7.1 or 5.1? Jun 10 19:09:53 It's 7.1, with a 3.10 kernel Jun 10 19:12:22 (for be sure) have you installed the system.img and the rootfs with jbb script? Jun 10 19:13:51 Not the rootfs as it doesn't work... Jun 10 19:23:11 Hi guys, question … why ```halium/devices/setup oneplus2``` removed some libraries from my vendor repo? —' … some of these libraries make gps (and other things) working... … https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B6tBQ3PBwC/ Jun 10 19:24:24 [Edit] Hi guys, question … why … ```halium/devices/setup oneplus2 … ``` removed some libraries from my vendor repo? —' … some of these libraries make gps (and other things) working... … https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B6tBQ3PBwC/ … Is this a feature of the script? Jun 10 19:24:30 Seems like the libraries are added in another file now Jun 10 19:24:48 halium-devices only removes unneccesary java files Jun 10 19:25:10 these .so are still in the vendor repo... Jun 10 19:25:28 but it regenerates the makefile from the proprietary-files.txt file, so the result might look a little bit different but should do the same. Jun 10 19:25:52 Yes, .so files should still be copied Jun 10 19:26:23 so it is normal? … I'm just a little bit surprised Jun 10 19:26:36 They are now copied in oneplus2-vendor.mk, not Android.mk, but otherwise it should stay the same. Jun 10 19:27:10 It's normal, yes. It's actually a feature neccesary to make patching the vendor repository unneccesary for most halium-7.1 devices. Jun 10 19:27:35 We don't want to fork vendor repositories, since it's not always clear if the blobs are redistributable. Jun 10 19:29:28 ok thanks for the help :) … I had to fork it :/ … because some previous commits break things (example: remove 32bits gps library —') Jun 10 20:27:48 @JBBgameich & @vince1171: I'll try to see if I can add some more "fixes" to the various repos to be automated, seems that the doze feature used by OnePlus, Xiaomi, LG and others causes havoc as well. Should be fairly easy to kill that in the setup as well. I hope to get to that in the next couple of days Jun 10 20:28:15 That would be nice! Thank you in advance Jun 10 20:28:40 Your existing changes already work very well with my port Jun 10 20:29:34 yeah would be nice :D … thanks for the work Jun 10 20:34:44 Hi, did i still need to fix the init.rc file or the bug have been correct ? … https://docs.ubports.com/fr/latest/porting/building-ubports-boot.html#edit-init-rc Jun 10 20:38:03 @RavengamerSpace, Not sure what that's about, but if the docs don't say otherwise then you should probably fix it Jun 10 20:38:54 they said to modify it but they don't said if they fix it Jun 10 20:39:06 it's to port ubuntu touch Jun 10 20:40:11 Looks like it wants you to disable things that will access the radio Jun 10 20:41:16 yeah that stupid but it seem important because it's do interferance with an another file Jun 10 20:42:15 Have you followed the instructions in that section? Jun 10 20:42:22 nope Jun 10 20:42:31 Are you able to? Jun 10 20:42:47 Hello guys. I bought a new redmi note 5 and I may try to port Halium to it. Jun 10 20:43:03 @mayltonfnds, Hello there, I've not seen you for a while Jun 10 20:43:04 @reivilibre, because I have a doubt somewhere Jun 10 20:43:15 @reivilibre, Yes. I've been busy lately. Jun 10 20:43:53 I got stuck on wifi and graphics Jun 10 20:44:24 @RavengamerSpace, To be honest I have no clue about the UBports stuff (personally I'm on Plasma), but I'd say maybe you need to trust the docs a bit. … What's the worst that could happen? Probably just losing access to the radio — if that happens, you can change it back later? Jun 10 20:44:24 No one knows what wifi modules my phone has Jun 10 20:44:35 @mayltonfnds, Ah yes, that interesting one Jun 10 20:45:12 I don't know what to do, so I stopped by Jun 10 20:45:26 @reivilibre, okay, and i don't use the radio … (who's still using radio in 2018 ?) Jun 10 20:45:58 @RavengamerSpace, Note, by radio it means the mobile phone network (GSM / 3G / 4G / etc) Jun 10 20:45:58 @RavengamerSpace, [Edit] Note, by radio it means the mobile phone network (GSM / 3G / 4G / etc) (I think) Jun 10 20:46:24 @reivilibre, WHAT ? that suck Jun 10 20:46:34 Don't do it then Jun 10 20:47:01 Leave it and see what happens Jun 10 20:47:06 That's what I do Jun 10 20:47:40 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/P60Ovyb0.png But now I have this problem when I try to build it Jun 10 20:48:36 Bah, damn it hybris-boot. Jun 10 20:49:00 @RavengamerSpace, I don't know what stage you're at currently, but if it was me I'd rather get at least the graphics and touch screen working before I get adventurous with the radio Jun 10 20:49:01 You've got two entries for /data in your fstab. Remove the one with the long path Jun 10 20:50:52 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/5XzwFq1m.png this one ? Jun 10 20:51:26 @UniversalSuperBox Jun 10 20:53:28 That's work ! Thanks a lot 😁 ! Jun 10 21:43:11 Hey, fastboot don't detect my device, how can I solve this ? Jun 10 21:43:54 You have rebooted into fastboot, correct? Jun 10 21:44:22 yes via twrp > reboot to bootloader Jun 10 21:45:21 it can be worth a try to `sudo fastboot devices` as sometimes the permissions aren't set correctly Jun 10 21:47:54 euh sudo fastboot devices don't work too and now adb devices don't work also Jun 10 21:48:28 `adb` won't work whilst the device is in fastboot mode Jun 10 21:48:48 it's actually boot on android Jun 10 21:49:16 did fastboot say it was launching a daemon or something? Jun 10 21:49:42 nope ah maybe I will try adb kill-server Jun 10 21:50:17 but fastboot dosn't says that Jun 10 21:50:58 oh crap i'm really stupid men Jun 10 21:51:33 What's gone on? Jun 10 21:51:41 I've don't that the cable is not connected to my pc but to my electrical outlet Jun 10 21:52:22 Yeah i'm really stupid Jun 10 21:52:28 Ah well, it happens Jun 10 21:53:44 i think that i need to sleep Jun 10 21:54:05 yes, sometimes you might have to :P Jun 11 02:51:39 BIYING was added by: BIYING **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 11 03:00:02 2018