**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 29 02:59:59 2018 Nov 29 10:40:01 Anastiel_Original was added by: Anastiel_Original Nov 29 17:55:56 Do you plan to support only Android 8.1/9 devices for Halium? Nov 29 17:59:41 I guess that's heavily depends on UBPorts native Treble efforts Nov 29 18:00:41 [Edit] I guess that heavily depends on UBPorts native Treble efforts Nov 29 18:03:51 Also Google is using more of the traditional linux graphic stack on their devices recently, including DRM and KMS. IF I understood that correctly, we could use those interfaces in the future instead of hwcomposer. Nov 29 18:04:20 they also will use generic kernel image Nov 29 18:04:24 which is not so good for halium 😛 Nov 29 18:04:42 that's questionable for now and won't make current Android 8/9 devices go away Nov 29 18:07:00 @benzandsBot, Could you explain how that works? Does that mean multiple devices will use the same kernel code base? Nov 29 18:07:24 yes, and vendors will provide device-specific drivers as kernel modules Nov 29 18:07:48 Well, that isn't neccesarily bad for Halium Nov 29 18:08:33 https://lwn.net/Articles/771974/ (it’s paid, but you can find it for free, and I’m not gonna post pirated links here 😛 ) Nov 29 18:09:09 A common kernel source would be really helpful actually, and would avoid changing kernel configurations for every device. (I think) Nov 29 18:09:56 could be an excuse for vendors to make non-GPL modules though Nov 29 18:10:05 yeah Nov 29 18:11:40 @benzandsBot, Actually this article appears known to me. I think someone already sent me a subscriber link earlier. Nov 29 18:12:10 There's also related talk somewhere Nov 29 18:12:23 @benzandsBot, You can share subscriber links Nov 29 18:12:30 it’s not a subscriber link Nov 29 18:12:31 That's the purpose of it Nov 29 18:12:57 @bhushanshah, Well then, here it is :) https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/771974/5d4cae622476fb24/ Nov 29 18:41:24 Is there a video of the talk online? Nov 29 18:44:18 I'm not sure about that particular talk, but this one is useful as well https://media.ccc.de/v/ASG2018-164-running_android_on_the_mainline_graphics_stack … He gave the talk at least twice, I didn't see the one from the recording but a later one. Nov 29 18:46:43 aretzlaff was added by: aretzlaff Nov 29 19:08:50 MikMetal was added by: MikMetal Nov 29 19:10:37 @JBBgameich, Thanks for sharing this! This would exactly be something I'd like to integrate into a project I'm planning right now. Basically a set of packages on top of Halium where needed, mainline Mesa where possible on mainline devices. I'd like to get something serious running on the Xperia X. Nov 29 19:12:48 Loire seems to be getting mainline support soon. Nov 29 19:13:14 [Edit] Sony Loire Devices seem to be getting mainline support soon. Nov 29 19:14:23 @b1dle, Actually not something on top of halium, but something different. At least Halium wouldn't manage graphics on drm devices anymore. Nov 29 19:15:17 The other hardware features could ideally be supported using Marius Gripsgards linux-hidl project. Nov 29 19:16:48 @b1dle, Exactly, that. Plus other bits I'm currently planning and working on, including a convergent-minded Platform API for multiple devices, further enhancing of a Halium-typical rootfs. Nov 29 19:31:48 @JBBgameich, Exactly, that. Plus other bits I'm currently planning and working on, including a convergent-minded Platform API for multiple devices, further enhancing of a Halium-typical rootfs. Also I'm not sure what hidl is about, but less reliance on bionic components altogether is welcome. Nov 29 19:32:05 @JBBgameich, [Edit] Exactly, that. Plus other bits I'm currently planning and working on, including a convergent-minded Platform API for multiple devices, further enhancing of a Halium-typical rootfs. Also I'm not sure what hidl is about, but less reliance on bionic components altogether is welcome. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 30 03:00:00 2018