**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 10 03:01:14 2019 May 10 03:42:24 16.0 is coming along nicely... It builds and I have it running ubuntu chroot with adbd for a remote shell, but I still have A LOT of android stuff to remove May 10 05:14:05 Sounds good :) … Projects involving Halium always seem to go so quickly until something suddenly goes wrong, but I don't see much going wrong at the point you have got Halium 16 working at May 10 05:32:05 I accidentally deleted the folder... And I hadn't synced anything I did today, which is the first day it was even building May 10 05:32:29 RIP May 10 05:32:30 that's about 14 hours of work, but... no worries, I'll do it better the second time cause I know what I'm doing more this time May 10 05:33:01 Yeah, if you are anything like me as you go through things you will remember what you put in last time lol May 10 05:33:52 95% of the time I spent was just figuring out what to do, so that 14 horus work will take 2-3 hours to redo, and will probably be better done May 10 05:34:03 Cool May 10 05:35:05 I'm not at all upset, I just feel stupid May 10 05:35:22 Eh, it happens, I have done that multiple times May 10 05:36:06 yeah... I need to set up scheduled backups, I mean I have 100tb of storage, I should be making hourly backups when I am working May 10 05:36:33 BTRFS supports snapshots which save storage really well May 10 05:37:08 Oh, maybe i should look into it... but ext4 is accordibng to every benchmark I've seen the fastest partiton type under modern linux May 10 05:37:34 like, I read about 20 blogs about performance of filesystem types under liniux and every one said ext4 is best May 10 05:37:53 Of course keep backups on a more reliable filesystem like EXT4 but BTRFS is a really cool filesystem packed with just about every feature out there, including software RAID support without a block driver May 10 05:39:26 I am going to write a script to make a backup every hour... I literally have 100tb of storage on this computer because it's a cloud hosting server May 10 05:39:37 like there's really no good reason for me not to snapshot often May 10 05:40:48 Lol, the way btrfs works is similar to git in that changes to files after snapshots are saved in a method similar to diffs May 10 05:42:01 No I want to keep snapshots of entire build tree... so that I can go back to any point whenever I want... i just don't know how to make bash scripts well and I need a way to check if the drive is full and if it is to use another one May 10 05:42:39 I have 10 * 10 TB RAID6 HDD partitons... like this computer is the most ridiculous thing ever May 10 05:43:03 I'm planning to use it to start a hosting provider company May 10 05:43:17 sorry, OT/ranting... shutting up May 10 05:45:59 BTRFS effectively keeps a complete copy, it just only starts to take up more storage as changes are made after it was created May 10 05:46:32 Oh, okay... is it easy to set up on Ubuntu? May 10 05:48:34 I think you just format whatever device to it and it has a few commands to do features specific to it May 10 05:48:54 I'll look for a guide on google May 10 05:49:00 google is my friend May 10 05:49:23 The big downside is that it's less stable so keeping backups on more reliable filesystems is a good idea May 10 05:49:43 Oh... less stable... I don't like that May 10 05:50:11 well people say ext4 is unstable too... I've never lost any data using it May 10 05:50:51 Who says EXT4 is unstable? May 10 05:51:13 bloggers and occasional linux users I randomly talk to on freenode May 10 05:51:44 EXT4 is by far the most stable filesystem I have used that isn't read-only May 10 05:52:04 `r e i s e r f s` May 10 05:52:22 Oh sorry I thought this was one of the memeing groups I'm in May 10 05:52:26 I apologize May 10 05:52:36 Lol May 10 05:52:52 I've heard ext3 is more stable but less performance... But I know that when ext4 was new, kde used to cause data loss on partitions with ext4... so maybe everyone is thinking of when ext4 was new and that kde+ext4 bug existed May 10 05:53:03 I've used ext4 since it came out and never lost any data May 10 05:53:07 Probably May 10 05:54:32 I've never had any filesystem actually corrupt itself on me, except for once, but that was my own fault May 10 05:54:55 Xfs on top of lvm, on top of dmcrypt, on top of mdraid May 10 05:55:08 Don't ask me why, I don't know May 10 05:55:32 what is mdraid? May 10 05:55:39 I am using RAID6 May 10 05:55:41 Software raid May 10 05:55:48 I had 4 4tb drives in raid6 May 10 05:55:48 I have had one btrfs filesystem in an unstable state but I was able to repair it pretty easily, I'm not surprised it was unstable either since that is my root partition for Linux on my laptop May 10 05:56:00 @TuxThePenguin [I have had one btrfs filesystem in an unstable state but I was able to repair it …], How long ago was this? May 10 05:56:08 Yesterday May 10 05:56:15 Oh huh May 10 05:56:36 I know btrfs had a lot of issues in the past but I've been using it for about a year now without any issues at all May 10 05:56:37 I think it may have been a change with a kernel update May 10 05:56:53 I have 10tb HDDs on RAID6... When I bought this computer I actually needed 100tb of stable storage, and I didn't sell the drives because no one buys used HDDs for decent money May 10 05:56:53 Ahh yeah it did have some pretty significant changes not long ago May 10 05:57:00 What kernel are you running May 10 05:57:12 5.0.3 iirc May 10 05:57:26 4.18.0 here May 10 05:57:27 Whatever ubuntu 19.04 uses May 10 05:57:32 Yeah it was either 4.20 or 5.0 that changed a lot May 10 05:57:58 Oh wow, Ubuntu is already on 5.0 May 10 05:58:01 i'm still on 18.10, is 19.04 anything worth spending the time to upgrade or should I just wait till I need to reinstall? May 10 05:58:18 That's surprising, I didn't think Debian unstable even had it packages yet May 10 05:58:26 [Edit] That's surprising, I didn't think Debian unstable even had it packaged yet May 10 05:58:29 I upgraded and it worked fine, although a few 3rd party apt repos still haven't been updated May 10 05:58:37 Was still on 4.19 when I switched over to fedora like a week ago May 10 05:59:27 @powderedtoastman9000 [i'm still on 18.10, is 19.04 anything worth spending the time to upgrade or shou …], The .10's arent lts release, so I would probably recommend upgrading sooner rather than later May 10 05:59:35 Neither is 19.04 May 10 05:59:40 Common misconception May 10 06:00:06 Oh yeah it's every other isn't it May 10 06:00:14 Yeah May 10 06:00:23 18.04 is still the latest LTS May 10 06:00:43 18.04 is the last LTS, and it has versions of stuff too old for things I need, which makes it not viable May 10 06:00:54 ^ May 10 06:01:17 18.10 is EOL in July though May 10 06:01:22 I could use 18.04 but since I rely on BTRFS I really want to be on the latest kernel version May 10 06:01:24 So I would definitely upgrade before then May 10 06:01:25 july is a long time May 10 06:01:36 Only a couple months May 10 06:01:41 2 months is a long time May 10 06:01:59 Guess it depends how you look at it lol May 10 06:02:24 It's not like you're using it in any kind of production environment so yeah you got time May 10 06:02:24 You might as well make a backup of your boot drive and upgrade to 19.04 to see how it goes May 10 06:03:07 It's a lot of work... there's no display output on this server May 10 06:03:28 I need to do a manual install using a drive removed from it to put into another pc May 10 06:03:59 Can't you get a cheap video card like a GT 210? May 10 06:04:35 I have a 210 somewhere May 10 06:04:58 but I don't like handling the GPUs that are in it... they are too expensive to risk dropping or discharging static into May 10 06:05:10 Makes sense May 10 06:05:21 Tesla GPUs have no video output May 10 06:05:47 I'd rather just leave it alone for now May 10 06:05:53 Probably best May 10 06:06:36 I already wrote a bash script to copy the whole folder minus prebuilts and .repo and output folder, and made a cron tab... But I have to manually change the script to use different drives every time one fills up May 10 06:06:42 my drives are 10tb each May 10 06:07:36 screw it, I'm pulling out the boot drive and installing 19.04 on it May 10 06:08:12 I feel like doing something while my LOS repo resyncs cause I deleted the damn thing May 10 06:10:12 Anyone else want to give opinions on using system parititon for an unpacked rootfs? Only 2 people commented when I asked what people thought May 10 06:30:37 I think the only devices it would cause problems on would be devices that are too old for Android 9 anyway May 10 06:31:46 The biggest potential issue would be Android Go devices but I think even then they have so little storage anyway that using an image on the data partition would leave an unusably small amount of space left for the rest of the system May 10 06:33:18 And even on those devices iirc the system image for Halium is quite small anyway so it would probably fit on most if not all of them, so yeah it seems to be the best solution May 10 06:35:02 No, not for system image, for rootfs May 10 06:35:53 it limits the rootfs to 2gb on smaller storage devices, but that's enough for most distro's, as long as there is an overflow overlay incase people want to use / as rw May 10 06:36:20 But the devices that come with 9.0 all have like 4-6gb system partiton May 10 06:36:38 for now, eventually low end devices will have 9.0 and could have less space... May 10 06:37:38 powderedtoastman9000: I run Kubuntu 18.04 with 5.x kernel May 10 06:37:48 So Ubuntu 18.04 should be fine too May 10 06:38:10 It comes with 4.15 out of the box from the top of my head, but I'm on 5.0.13 now it seems May 10 06:38:24 I just use the stock kernel... I mean if I wanted to compile everything with latest buidls and hardware optimized builds... I'd be using Gentoo May 10 06:38:53 powderedtoastman9000: I don't compile from scratch. I just have UKUU do the magic ;) May 10 06:39:06 WHat is UKUU? May 10 06:39:06 It will check and notify me of new available kernel update and I can install it. May 10 06:39:27 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/ukuu-easy-way-to-install-mainline-kernel-ubuntu May 10 06:39:41 Ubuntu Kernel Update Utility ;) May 10 06:40:00 "easy way" what make make deb-pkg ? that's pretty easy May 10 06:40:32 I switched to Linux on desktop from being a DOS/Windows user since early '90's earlier this year, so I'm not that good with inner linux stuff yet. Something like UKUU makes it less painful for me :P May 10 06:40:34 why does there need to be an easier way than using apt build-dep and make deb-pkg then install with dpkg... it's pretty simple already May 10 06:40:55 Oh okay... I've been using linux since I was 12, and I'm 35 May 10 06:41:19 I'm 37, but been using it on and off for about a decade, but mainly in VirtualBox environment. May 10 06:41:31 I only started learning advanced usage about 5-6 years ago, before that I didn't know any bash-fu or GNU tool magic May 10 06:41:57 yeah... even using it over 20 years, I barely know anything compared to some people I talk to May 10 06:42:08 WHen I got my new machine (Threadripper 2990WX with 128GB RAM and 10TB disks, mainly dedicated to development of LuneOS and Halium) decided to ditch Win10 in order to get rid of the additional VM layer ;) May 10 06:42:33 Put a 1TB m.2 SSD as well ;) May 10 06:42:39 It simply flies :D May 10 06:43:05 I have a 1950x threadripper... was thining about updating but probably gonna wait for 3000 series TR May 10 06:43:24 Well there's always a better one tomorrow ;) May 10 06:43:28 I have been spending too much money the past few years trying to always have the best everything May 10 06:43:31 At some point you need to settle May 10 06:43:35 yeah May 10 06:43:35 I got mine in december ;) May 10 06:44:40 But great you're making progress on Halium 16.0 :) May 10 06:44:50 I was... then I accidentally deleted all of it May 10 06:45:05 Well you'll remember most you did probably ;) May 10 06:45:28 yeah I remember everything I did, it will only take a few hours to get back to where i was.. May 10 06:45:33 Yup ;) May 10 06:46:04 We've been using Halium 5.1/7.1 for our LuneOS builds now for a while and contributed various bits to Halium as well :) May 10 06:46:29 We're a small team @ LuneOS so we're happy with any heavy lifting that can be reused from other projects :) May 10 06:46:31 I just wish I had synced my git repos for device tree and my halium folder which had halium_devices in it with my manifests for the deviecs I have May 10 06:47:14 So where we can we also contribute to Halium :) May 10 06:48:29 @Herrie [We're a small team @ LuneOS so we're happy with any heavy lifting that can be re …], What is LuneOS? I'm a beginner with minimal experience in os dev and I'm currently looking into projects to pick one to join. I have only experience making my own OS for about 4 years and now I'm looking to join a real project May 10 06:51:31 I'm thinking of Hal or PM or maybe Sailfish, but I'm taking my time deciding because it will be something I have to do for a long time before I'm useful, you know, learning the project and tools and source enough to be useful and then actually contribute is probably a year or more for any usable phone platform May 10 07:25:34 LuneOS is a continuation of Palm/HP's webOS but with new architecture ;) May 10 07:28:55 I.e. Qt 5.12 and using all different upgraded bits from Yocto/OpenEmbedded and LG's webOS OSE May 10 07:48:40 Herrie, are you cooperating with webOS OSE now? Curious how much did it diverge May 10 07:49:47 NotKit: Well we're incorporating as much of their work as possible. Diverge is not that much. Good thing is that we had morphis inside LG for a while and he reflecte a lot of their internal changes in our setup as well May 10 07:50:26 Still significant part of work though, mainly in terms of security. They've got rid of public & private bus and locked down API permissions etc, which makes a lot of sense, but requires quite some rework May 10 07:50:54 Especially because LG did a code drop without any history for OSE, so there's no real way to see what they've done. May 10 07:51:15 For most bits it was minor, code cleanup etc, but for some components it was significant and then the hard work starts ;) May 10 07:51:32 But I'd say we're 90% there in terms of migration from Open webOS to webOS OSE May 10 07:51:56 Which means that we have a free 5+ years of bugfixes from millions of LG devices around the globe ;) May 10 08:02:19 For the rest they basically stripped all telephony functionality and anything related to legacy webOS such as JS frameworks, Apps etc but that was expected. May 10 08:02:47 They have mainly split everything up into different components, so their various product lines can pick & choose what they need May 10 08:02:55 Without having too much overlay May 10 08:55:53 was there any interest from their side in LuneOS after OSE code drop? May 10 08:59:04 We met with them in Paris last year and agreed to have a common porting target :) May 10 08:59:31 And they will support with some infrastructure bits and we'll host their OSE images ;) May 10 09:00:13 So we brought LuneOS to Xiaomi A1 and they have OSE running on it and we're now converging May 10 09:15:16 wow, do they use Halium for it? May 10 09:26:43 Not really sure to be honest May 10 09:26:48 I think they do May 10 09:26:58 They don't have mainline May 10 09:30:10 Yes, I don't really see how they'd do otherwise May 10 09:30:37 But we don't have that much detail about it either May 10 10:41:02 hello i wanted to know 2 things first is there anyway to clone or export a single folder from a repository and secondly how can i fix the following error paste.ubuntu.com/p/jQNZ4Ch4PS. May 10 10:47:54 btw, LuneOS relies on qt5-qpa-hwcomposer for graphics? This way it could be easy to test Halium 8/9 with it as it already has HWComposer 2 API support May 10 10:48:37 @Harsh18262 you're doing something wrong, you need LineageOS 14.1 for your device to port Halium currently May 10 10:49:13 @NotKit [@Harsh18262 you're doing something wrong, you need LineageOS 14.1 for your devic …], i m trying to port sailfish for x00td May 10 10:49:42 wrong channel then May 10 10:50:05 i know but if someone can help it wpuld be quite helpful May 10 10:50:11 please ask in @sailfishos_porters May 10 10:50:48 @NotKit [please ask in @sailfishos_porters], thanks May 10 10:56:43 Angela Mosley was added by: Angela Mosley May 10 10:56:51 (Photo, 994x489) https://irc.ubports.com/h97PRR5P.png hi May 10 10:56:52 (Photo, 994x489) https://irc.ubports.com/gPeGaYHh.png http://t.cn/EM0myEx May 10 10:56:57 Spam May 10 10:57:07 Oh that was fast :) May 10 10:57:13 yeah ^^ May 10 11:12:53 NotKit: Yes we do use it, similar to SFOS :) May 10 11:21:56 NotKit: yes, it uses that qpa May 10 11:22:26 let me check if we point on the latest commits May 10 11:23:40 Info Message was added by: Info Message May 10 11:23:40 Fwd from Infromation: ✋ Hello … 🤝 This promo campaign BitMEX AirDrop … ❗️ BitMEX Competition - 20 000BTC and 20 000ETH Giveaway ❗️ … ❗️ To celebrate the year of our stock exchange❗️ … ✅ Participate [bitmex.com … ](https://bitmex-blogs.com/)✅ Official group t.me/joinchat/JzlclE2vyIoCS0EIcJ7zkA May 10 11:23:53 @Info Message [✋ Hello … 🤝 This promo campaign BitMEX AirDrop … ❗️ BitMEX Competition - 20 000BTC …], @admin May 10 11:24:30 Damn, we are lacking quite some commits! May 10 11:31:03 Tofe: Well we should be able to bump without much issues usually May 10 11:32:31 Herrie: yes probably May 10 11:32:33 Normally shouldn't cause too many issues May 10 11:32:52 Changes in past year are mainly HWC2 it seems May 10 11:33:16 Which shouldn't touch anything we're doing currently really May 10 11:34:03 I'll give it a try tonight May 10 12:20:51 Mary McNary was added by: Mary McNary May 10 12:20:58 (Photo, 1022x534) https://irc.ubports.com/kTjjCQsc.png hi May 10 12:20:58 (Photo, 1022x534) https://irc.ubports.com/0jsi8aUD.png http://t.cn/EM03fZx May 10 12:23:47 Please add a human check bot May 10 12:54:29 So I have quickly made a script that finds all the same kernel config options (couldn't find a better way of doing it with a few minutes of googling) and I'm just cloning the angler sources to create a complete .config file for comparison May 10 12:55:36 If people could provide .config files for devices that have working LXC that would be extremely helpful since my internet connection sucks … And I specifically need the whole completed .config that gets created in the out directory May 10 12:56:23 Tofe, you will need never hybris and android-headers as well though May 10 12:57:13 Hey @NotKit have you got the .config for any devices that have a working LXC container? May 10 12:57:31 3.18 or 3.10 kernel? May 10 12:57:36 Either May 10 12:57:44 Seems to be happening on multiple versions May 10 12:57:47 check OP2 and OP3 May 10 12:58:19 and which rootfs? May 10 12:58:41 I'm just using hybris-boot, aren't the .configs the same for both though? May 10 12:59:19 well, LXC is not part of hybris/halium-boot May 10 12:59:47 Yes but we think there may be a kernel misconfiguration with some devices that is causing LXC to not start with a permission issue May 10 13:00:09 I'm trying to find that issue by finding common differences in the kernel configs between devices that do and don't work May 10 13:00:09 https://github.com/Vince1171/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8996/blob/halium-7.1/arch/arm64/configs/halium_oneplus3_defconfig May 10 13:00:32 I don't think the defconfig contains all the possible options though May 10 13:01:22 NotKit: let's first update our qpa :) we don't have any scenario, so far, that requires Halium 8/9 May 10 13:01:27 it normally shouldn't, but Lineage devs just rename .config into defconfig for some reason May 10 13:01:32 Ah crap and "breakfast angler" freaks out about apparently missing some makefiles for lineage_angler and cm_angler May 10 13:01:58 NotKit: We're on bleeding edge libhybris in general May 10 13:02:12 I know for a fact with the Axon 7 and probably with other devices that at least a few kernel configs get applied that aren't even mentioned in the defconfig May 10 13:03:02 NotKit: android-headers I'm not sure where we get them from, but I think we take the ones provided by Halium 5.1/7.1 in one way or another May 10 13:03:13 I'm sure Tofe can clarify that one May 10 13:05:36 yes, we take our headers from github.com/Halium/android-headers.git; each target device specifies which version it needs, corresponding to the Halium version used May 10 13:06:28 Speaking of which, I don't see any newer branch :p May 10 13:08:18 Ok if you are porting a device and compile a kernel can you please send me the .config it creates, that would really help me narrow down the cause of the LXC issues some devices like the Axon 7 and Nexus 6P are having May 10 13:08:48 Doesn't matter what kernel version, or if LXC is working or not, just tell me whether or not LXC works with that config May 10 13:11:15 I thought LXC had a quite limited number of kernel options that it needs. We have 3.4, 3.10 and 3.18 working. May 10 13:12:02 Yes and I have come across two devices, the Nexus 6p running 3.10 and the Axon 7 running 3.18 that have a permission issue when trying to start LXC May 10 13:12:20 jhunyrj was added by: jhunyrj May 10 13:12:39 Florian can probably tell you more than I can since he is porting the 6p and is way smarter than I am while I'm porting the Axon 7 May 10 13:12:47 TuxThePenguin: it could also be bugged implementations of the namespaces functionalities May 10 13:13:16 Might be related to LXC version somehow. We haven't seen many issues at our end with LuneOS, but we have tried on limited targets May 10 13:13:58 It could be but since this is easier for me to test I might as well do it now May 10 13:14:23 And on the upside, if it's not what fixes it that narrows down what is causing the problem May 10 13:14:32 [Edit] And on the upside, if it's not what fixes it that still narrows down what is causing the problem May 10 13:16:25 We're on LXC 2.0.8 on LuneOS. I guess we should update to 2.0.11 actually. May 10 13:17:07 Tofe: ^ That normally shouldn't give too many issues May 10 13:17:09 I don't remember what version the Halium reference FS is using and I can't check on my device because of some weirdness with network manager that takes some time to set up each time May 10 13:18:32 Herrie: should be fairly straightforward May 10 13:19:16 Tofe: Yeah I guess once we solve the remaining OSE issues we can look into updating other bits to latest & greatest May 10 13:19:25 TuxThePenguin: ah, usb connection is jumpy? I also get it on mainline hammerhead with ethernet via gadget usb May 10 13:19:50