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Oct 20 12:55:05 <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> Interesting...if I can run the UBports GSI on the system_a partition i can run Sailfish on the b slots
Oct 20 12:55:53 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> the problem is sharing userdata
Oct 20 12:58:36 <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @NotKit if the systemimage is on system_a what's on userdata? /home?
Oct 20 12:58:52 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> yes
Oct 20 12:59:01 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> and for Sailfish userdata is LVM
Oct 20 13:00:28 <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @NotKit [the problem is sharing userdata], Would it be possible to mount/bind a particular partition on sd-card to userdata depending on which OS is booted? 🤔
Oct 20 13:02:21 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> yeah, just needs ramdisk/filesystem changes
Oct 20 13:06:33 <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Would be a tempting option to enable true dual-boot ability with separate userdata. Wondering how the guys at ABM are handling that  ... 🤔
Oct 20 13:14:43 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> Heng also if you know what you're doing, you could probably create LVM volume inside Sailfish volume group and make halium-boot mount it as /data
Oct 20 13:19:10 <ubptgbot> <Markez99> Is there anyone succeeded build system image for halium ?
Oct 20 13:24:58 <ubptgbot> <Verevka86> @Heng Ye [Interesting...if I can run the UBports GSI on the system_a partition i can run S …], It is enough to change boot.img, you can use three systems at once (ubports / sailfish / android)
Oct 20 13:25:30 <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @Verevka86 i thought there had to be something on system? sailfish install script flashes stuff to system
Oct 20 13:26:31 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> @Verevka86 his device is Xperia 10, so it is officially supported by Sailfish
Oct 20 13:26:49 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> and in this case they use LVM on userdata partition
Oct 20 13:27:44 <ubptgbot> <Verevka86> @NotKit [@Verevka86 his device is Xperia 10, so it is officially supported by Sailfish], Ups 😳 i use unofficial 😊
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Oct 20 14:40:38 <ubptgbot> <Markez99> @Verevka86 [It is enough to change boot.img, you can use three systems at once (ubports / sa …], I know
Oct 20 14:41:03 <ubptgbot> <Markez99> Am trying build systemimage getting error ft.vim needed by out
Oct 20 14:52:54 <ubptgbot> <Ori Galili> (Photo, 800x216) https://irc.ubports.com/MR7CeXqS.png
Oct 20 14:52:57 <ubptgbot> <Ori Galili> Help
Oct 20 14:53:02 <ubptgbot> <Ori Galili> (Photo, 800x216) https://irc.ubports.com/plzPuP2e.png
Oct 20 14:56:33 <ubptgbot> <just_carlod> how we can help you?
Oct 20 14:59:30 <ubptgbot> <Markez99> @Ori Galili [<reply to media>], ??
Oct 20 14:59:41 <ubptgbot> <Ori Galili> The message count
Oct 20 14:59:53 <ubptgbot> <Markez99> Ah lol
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Oct 20 15:47:44 <antoine62[m]> should the udev rules be added if using a gsi?
Oct 20 15:52:22 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> @antoine62[m] [should the udev rules be added if using a gsi?], GSI installer zip already generates it
Oct 20 15:56:49 <antoine62[m]> should the test for graphics be runned as root? it throw an error about a file not existing due to permission error in logcat if runned as phablet
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Oct 20 16:04:43 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> @antoine62[m] [should the test for graphics be runned as root? it throw an error about a file n …], no it should work on phablet too
Oct 20 16:15:09 <antoine62[m]> so how could i fix all of those permission errors?
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Oct 20 16:40:00 <antoine62[m]> does it look ok?
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Oct 20 17:25:05 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> hey do you folks have networking on anbox? i don't
Oct 20 18:44:18 <ubptgbot> <Shakendo> @mintphin [hey do you folks have networking on anbox? i don't], afaik anbox doesnt have any networking support or hardware support, I could be wrong on networking but I know things like GPS dont work
Oct 20 18:49:01 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> oh ok
Oct 20 18:49:06 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> thanks for the info
Oct 20 18:49:07 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @Shakendo [afaik anbox doesnt have any networking support or hardware support, I could be w …], network should work
Oct 20 18:49:21 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> @dohbee [network should work], thing is it doesn't on my port
Oct 20 18:49:21 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> but there's a bridge that has to be set up on the host side
Oct 20 18:49:26 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> ah ok
Oct 20 18:49:38 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> are there some docs or something?
Oct 20 18:49:47 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> not sure what starts it on UT anbox though
Oct 20 18:50:02 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> maybe you can just run `sudo start anbox-bridge` or something
Oct 20 18:50:07 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> ah ok
Oct 20 18:50:10 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> thanks
Oct 20 18:53:10 <ubptgbot> <Walid> @NotKit [check /usr/sbin/mount-android.sh script and edit it to work with your device is …], i added "mount /dev/mmcblk0p51 /vendor" in mount-android.sh, its work, got UI, but no wifi, sound, ril ...
Oct 20 19:01:43 <ubptgbot> <Ganvix Gust> Could I get an example mount-android.sh? I want to make sure I mount the partitions correctly.
Oct 20 19:16:06 <ubptgbot> <Walid> @Ganvix Gust [Could I get an example mount-android.sh? I want to make sure I mount the partiti …], just add this after echo "checking for vendor mount point" line … # mount vendor partition … mount /dev/mmcblk0p51 /vendor
Oct 20 19:19:07 <ubptgbot> <Ganvix Gust> Thank you, is that the only partition that needs to be mounted
Oct 20 19:19:43 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> Ganvix just really make sure you mounting vendor is the problem you have
Oct 20 19:19:47 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> that hack is device-specific
Oct 20 19:19:54 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> [Edit] Ganvix just really make sure mounting vendor is the problem you have
Oct 20 19:21:01 <ubptgbot> <Ganvix Gust> Ok, I'm just trying to cover all my bases. Thank you for the help.
Oct 20 19:34:02 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Is there any particularly good reason why the pulseaudio module-droid-hidl-28 helper always disappears and causes to leave a defunct pulseaudio process around?
Oct 20 20:19:57 <ubptgbot> <Son Of Han> @fredldotme incompatibility
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Oct 20 22:09:00 <ubptgbot> <Ern_st> For GSI V10, is there anything to change on the device tree side, kernel or vendor to welcome the arm64 rootfs ?
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Oct 20 22:12:17 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> banned again
Oct 20 22:12:39 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> who?
Oct 20 22:12:56 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> some telegram group promotion chinese spam bot
Oct 20 22:13:03 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> or bots i should say
Oct 20 22:13:04 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> ah. those.
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Oct 20 22:13:40 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> ah dammit again?
Oct 20 22:14:01 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> i think someone should code a bot to autokick these.
Oct 20 22:14:29 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> i don't know basically anything about the telegram api so :/
Oct 20 22:14:46 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there's plenty of anti-spam bots available
Oct 20 22:15:08 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> oh ok
Oct 20 22:15:39 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> we just don't have them in here, because it's something we've been able to handle manually when we get spam bots joining generally very quickly
Oct 20 22:27:14 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> ah ok
Oct 20 22:42:19 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> Hi everybody.  … Is here anyone for hire to build halium/efran's ubu gsi ? I own crosshatch ( pixel 3xl ) and crownlte ( samsung note 9 )  … I saw Kaderohr's logs some time ago but that's all. I did message anyone I found but everyone declined.
Oct 20 22:42:44 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> [Edit] Hi everybody.  … Is here anyone for hire to build halium/efran's ubu gsi ? I own crosshatch ( pixel 3xl ) and crownlte ( samsung note 9 )  … I saw Kaderohr's logs some time ago but that's all. I did message everyone I found but everyone declined.
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Oct 20 22:58:16 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> for Pixel 3 XL... @fredldotme has Pixel 3 port, I assume they are mostly compatible
Oct 20 23:01:05 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> close, 3a and 3 are not the same, mine are sargo or bonito (3a XL)
Oct 20 23:02:01 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> I heard about 3a ports few days ago. But as you said, wrong hardware :/
Oct 20 23:02:56 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> If you feel adventurous you could try doing it yourself
Oct 20 23:05:58 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> I tried few times but I got stuck at start. … 1 I don't know c++. Php won't help here … 2. I don't know how to get full kernel source. Nysa ( pixel 3 dev ) tried to help me once with it but there were 5-6 repos to get full kernel source. After all kernel never booted so I gave up on learning and trie to find some1 who would like to work
Oct 20 23:05:58 <ubptgbot> on it. … What about debugging that kernel ? Adb was down so I couldn't get logs. It just auto "no valid boot sloot"
Oct 20 23:06:06 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> [Edit] I tried few times but I got stuck at start. … 1 I don't know c++. Php won't help here … 2. I don't know how to get full kernel source. Nysa ( pixel 3 dev ) tried to help me once with it but there were 5-6 repos to get full kernel source. After all kernel never booted so I gave up on learning and trie to find some1 who would like t
Oct 20 23:06:07 <ubptgbot> o work on it. … What about debugging that kernel ? Adb was down so I couldn't get logs. It just auto "no valid boot slot"
Oct 20 23:06:33 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> [Edit] I tried few times but I got stuck at start. … 1 I don't know c++. Php won't help here … 2. I don't know how to get full kernel source. Nysa ( pixel 3 dev ) tried to help me once with it but there were 5-6 repos to get full kernel source. After all kernel never booted so I gave up on learning and try to find some1 who would like to
Oct 20 23:06:33 <ubptgbot>  work on it. … What about debugging that kernel ? Adb was down so I couldn't get logs. It just auto "no valid boot slot"
Oct 20 23:06:57 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> [Edit] I tried few times but I got stuck at start. … 1 I don't know c++. Php won't help here … 2. I don't know how to get full kernel source. Nysa ( pixel 3 dev ) tried to help me once with it but there were 5-6 repos to get full kernel source. After all kernel never booted so I gave up on learning and try to find some1 who would like to
Oct 20 23:06:57 <ubptgbot>  work on it. … What about debugging that kernel ? Adb was down so I couldn't get logs. It just  "no valid boot slot" after splash screen
Oct 20 23:09:11 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> https://github.com/LineageOS/android_kernel_google_crosshatch/tree/lineage-16.0 - that should be good enough regarding kernel source
Oct 20 23:12:21 <ubptgbot> <Eamo5> Was fine on pixel 2 / 2 xl. You've probs derped
Oct 20 23:12:47 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> Thx. I'll try to do something with that. If I am not wrong, that Los had plenty of bugs.  … Let's say that somehow I manage to create working boot on that source, will having bugged base, bug ubuntu 🤔?
Oct 20 23:13:15 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> @Eamo5 [Was fine on pixel 2 / 2 xl. You've probs derped], I can send that kernel if you wanna test it
Oct 20 23:13:49 <ubptgbot> <Eamo5> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Iabb1nLi.mp4
Oct 20 23:14:45 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> @Virus288 [Thx. I'll try to do something with that. If I am not wrong, that Los had plenty …], hard to predict, the spectre of issues we have not necessarily matches what they have
Oct 20 23:14:56 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> but it's better to handle things step-by-step
Oct 20 23:15:27 <ubptgbot> <Virus288> Step by step brick device till i give up  😂😂. … Thx. I'll test it while I'll get some free time
Oct 20 23:21:01 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> In case someone wants to make his/her fingerprint reader stop acting like a keyboard, I've written a little hack to combat this by grabbing the event device exclusively. Should work on all fpc readers: … https://github.com/fredldotme/android_device_google_bonito/commit/6873b812da8ac697c17fceb02e539e7372b7dd4d
Oct 20 23:22:37 <ubptgbot> <NotKit> for Volla Phone people wanted to map it some action instead :)
Oct 20 23:23:30 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Might be a much bigger task :P
Oct 20 23:24:49 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Tbf the fingerpring reader on the Volla Phone is not as easy to trigger as on sargo.
Oct 20 23:27:15 <ubptgbot> <Ganvix Gust> Nice little hack. Though the finger print scanner running as a key makes for quick discrete command execution. Best for pen testing
Oct 20 23:29:06 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> lol yeah, well, I certainly couldn't stand the experience, even though controlling certain elements using the back of the device is interesting to me :)
Oct 20 23:29:54 <ubptgbot> <Ganvix Gust> Totally agree :)
Oct 20 23:30:31 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Shoot, forgot the license header. Can be used as Apache 2.0 if anybody is uncertain.
Oct 20 23:37:44 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> @fredldotme [In case someone wants to make his/her fingerprint reader stop acting like a keyb …], this should be done on kernel
Oct 20 23:37:56 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> drop input from fp driver
Oct 20 23:38:41 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> I agree, I couldn't find it tbh.
Oct 20 23:38:59 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> On the plus side it means less patching for beginners.
Oct 20 23:39:22 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> it's not GSI friendly lol
Oct 20 23:39:53 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Yeeeah yeah :)
Oct 20 23:40:09 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> (Sticker, 512x475) https://irc.ubports.com/VIT3td6Q.webp
Oct 20 23:44:02 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Ideally we would handle it in the shell and allow custom actions as per Volla Phone requests.
Oct 20 23:44:59 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> btw, how's GPS going @erfanoabdi ? :P
Oct 20 23:45:17 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> gps is done?
Oct 20 23:45:34 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> hmm, then it's a pretty long time until a lock on sargo
Oct 20 23:46:22 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> yeah hybris backend finished, and TheKit moved out position from ubuntu-sensors package and done
Oct 20 23:48:28 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> god, we need AGPS real bad
Oct 20 23:50:18 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Oh well then, if GPS is done we're pretty much on par with Halium 7.1. A round pats on the back for everyone involved.
Oct 20 23:50:29 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> [Edit] Oh well then, if GPS is done we're pretty much on par with Halium 7.1. A round of pats on the back for everyone involved.
Oct 20 23:51:00 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> yeah just need to cleanup some changes
Oct 20 23:51:19 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> my GSI hfd and repowerd changes
Oct 20 23:51:24 <ubptgbot> <erfanoabdi> i'm working on it
Oct 20 23:52:31 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> hyped
Oct 21 03:44:41 <ubptgbot> <mintphin> Someone in the Lunecrash group was complaining about speed even tho it runs pretty fast on laurel_sprout
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Oct 21 08:49:10 <jcschauer> Hello, I'm trying to follow http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/build-sources.html to build Halium 7.1 on a Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS x64 computer and I'm stuck on the last step.  "mka systemimage" errors almost immediately due to missing files.  I tried to touch the missing file, but there were 2 more, and more after that so I deleted my fake stubs
Oct 21 08:49:11 <jcschauer> and am asking here. ninja: error: '/root/moto/halium/out/target/product/surnia/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libril_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/root/moto/halium/out/target/product/surnia/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libreference-ril_intermediates/import_includes', missing and no known rule to make it
Oct 21 08:50:17 <ubptgbot> <SebaUbuntu> @jcschauer [and am asking here. ninja: error: '/root/moto/halium/out/target/product/surnia/o …], Remove TARGET_PROVIDES_LIBRIL := true (or something like this) from BoardConfig.mk
Oct 21 08:51:01 <ubptgbot> <SebaUbuntu> @jcschauer [and am asking here. ninja: error: '/root/moto/halium/out/target/product/surnia/o …], BOARD_PROVIDES_LIBRIL := true … Remove this
Oct 21 08:51:05 <jcschauer> This is for a Motorola Moto LTE phone (surnia).  I was able to install Lineage 17.1 on it successfully.
Oct 21 08:52:20 <ubptgbot> <SebaUbuntu> @jcschauer [This is for a Motorola Moto LTE phone (surnia).  I was able to install Lineage 1 …], Can you receive me? I'm writing from Telegram
Oct 21 08:53:30 <jcschauer> Yes @SebaUbuntu, I'm looking at this file now.
Oct 21 08:53:37 <ubptgbot> <SebaUbuntu> @jcschauer [Yes @SebaUbuntu, I'm looking at this file now.], Ok, good
Oct 21 08:56:23 <jcschauer> There's 30 BoardConfig.mk files.  I looking in /root/moto/halium/device/motorola/surnia/BoardConfig.mk and couldn't find either of those options.  I'll try to grep for them.
Oct 21 09:01:31 <jcschauer> I found it here and commented it out.  /root/moto/halium/device/motorola/msm8916-common/BoardConfigCommon.mk:BOARD_PROVIDES_LIBRIL := true
Oct 21 09:02:32 <jcschauer> I did a "breakfast surnia" and mka systemimage, but now it's missing a different file.  ninja: error: 'vendor/motorola/msm8916-common/proprietary/bin/stml0xx', needed by '/root/moto/halium/out/target/product/surnia/system/bin/stml0xx', missing and no known rule to make it
Oct 21 09:07:04 <jcschauer> I tried commenting out #BOARD_PROVIDES_RILD := true that was also  under the #Radio section, but that didn't help.  Putting it back in.  I still can't find TARGET_PROVIDES_LIBRIL
Oct 21 09:07:37 <antoine62[m]> May you know why graphics on my tablrt doesnt work? Tests run fine, as root and as phablet (it says terminated), but, in logcat, when it run as phablet, there's permission error, also, root cant acess /dev/ion, any idea?
Oct 21 09:09:18 <antoine62[m]> May it be my configuration for the android container? It's stuck on the boot animation, wifi working
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Oct 21 09:18:03 <jcschauer> @SebaUbuntu, I did a "root@smoke251:~/moto/halium# cp -a kernel/motorola/msm8916/drivers/misc/stml0xx vendor/motorola/msm8916-common/proprietary/bin/" and now I'm getting further.  Now it's missing a different file.  I'll try to track it down too.   ninja: error: 'vendor/motorola/msm8916-common/proprietary/lib/hw/sensorhub.msm8916.so', needed by
Oct 21 09:18:03 <jcschauer> '/root/moto/halium/out/target/product/surnia/system/lib/hw/sensorhub.msm8916.so', missing and no known rule to make it
Oct 21 09:18:48 <ubptgbot> <SebaUbuntu> @jcschauer [@SebaUbuntu, I did a "root@smoke251:~/moto/halium# cp -a kernel/motorola/msm8916 …], Have you properly cloned vendor repo?
Oct 21 09:18:55 <ubptgbot> <SebaUbuntu> You shouldn't need to touch that
Oct 21 09:19:30 <antoine62[m]> Did you extracted the proprietary drivers, or cloned them?
Oct 21 09:26:41 <jcschauer> I had to disable apparmor to repo Halium.  It makes sense that I messed up getting the proprietary drivers.  Looking at the previous step, I'm a bit confused.  Is there an easy way to copy this from the Lineage's source?  (I already downloaded that).
Oct 21 09:30:59 <jcschauer> I created "halium/devices/manifests/motorola_surnia.xml" and I have 7 project entries in it.  Did I name this file wrong or put it in the wrong place?
Oct 21 09:37:40 <jcschauer> I need to reboot to disable apparmor again.  Disabling it on the fly isn't working.  Please hold replies until I return.  Thanks for your help.
Oct 21 09:47:25 <jcschauer> I went back and reran "root@smoke251:~/moto/halium# ./halium/devices/setup surnia" and it says no such file: I: Processing proprietary blob file: device/motorola/qcom-common/./common-proprietary-files.txt
Oct 21 09:51:56 <cacti_chameleon9> How much of a difference would disabling app armour make... would it help with permission error at all
Oct 21 09:54:06 <jcschauer> run dmesg and look if you've got apparmor errors at the end.  I was trying to repo as  root and still getting permission denied because of apparmor.
Oct 21 09:59:58 <jcschauer> Is there anyway I can get a prebuilt systemimage for my Motorola Moto LTE (surnia)?  I don't care what version of Halium it is.
Oct 21 10:05:28 <antoine62[m]> There's nothing in dmesg iirc
Oct 21 10:14:12 <antoine62[m]> Is it treble compatible? If yes, then yes.
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