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Jul 16 11:54:28 <Jay7> current kexecboot from oe.dev is unusable on tosa
Jul 16 11:54:50 <Jay7> no reaction at all
Jul 16 11:55:03 <Jay7> seems frozen or no input
Jul 16 12:08:27 <Jay7> seems '.:' key acting as enter or space
Jul 16 12:08:36 <Jay7> allows to enter system menu
Jul 16 12:08:47 <Jay7> but TUI freeze on 'back'
Jul 16 12:10:15 <Jay7> and according to flickering we have real problems with events handling :(
Jul 16 12:11:51 <Jay7> sh#t :(
Jul 16 12:12:06 <Jay7> I'll recheck with 0.5 release
Jul 16 12:25:50 <Jay7> well.. old ui is more usable
Jul 16 12:26:02 <Jay7> down by left, select by OK
Jul 16 12:26:50 <Jay7> but have scary orange vertical lines as with 8-bit memory transfers before..
Jul 16 12:39:14 <Jay7> well.. seems I know why now we have slow UI and semi-working keyboard
Jul 16 12:44:56 <Jay7> another half of semi-working keyboard may be inconsistency between linux/input.h and kernel keymap
Jul 16 13:01:21 <Jay7> tosa keymap is broken anyway
Jul 16 13:01:33 <Jay7> I can't login into console-image
Jul 16 21:51:10 <ant__> hi Jay7 , bluelightning_
Jul 16 21:51:18 <Jay7> hi ant__
Jul 16 21:51:21 <bluelightning_> hi ant__
Jul 16 21:51:25 <bluelightning_> hi Jay7
Jul 16 21:51:25 <Jay7> look over log :)
Jul 16 21:51:29 <Jay7> hi bluelightning_
Jul 16 21:51:42 <Jay7> ant__: I've played a bit with tosa today..
Jul 16 21:51:51 <Jay7> feeling sad :)
Jul 16 21:52:20 <ant__> ah, I see
Jul 16 21:52:50 <ant__> it seems keyboard are wrecked with 2.6.3x
Jul 16 21:53:09 <Jay7> I've asked lumag about this
Jul 16 21:53:12 <Jay7> no answer yet
Jul 16 21:53:19 <ant__> probably we need kernel keymap patch as for ben nanonote
Jul 16 21:53:51 <ant__> well, and collie ;]
Jul 16 21:53:55 <ant__> ?
Jul 16 21:54:56 <ant__> bluelightning: have you seen koen proposed to lower meta-oe priority in his scripts?
Jul 16 21:55:20 <ant__> I was about asking: what about dropping Angstrom alltogether?
Jul 16 21:55:51 <ant__> bluelightning: check logs
Jul 16 21:55:53 <ant__> pls
Jul 16 21:55:58 <bluelightning> which logs?
Jul 16 21:56:00 <Jay7> ant__: yes, seems we need keymap patch for Z..
Jul 16 21:56:10 <ant__> kexecboot
Jul 16 21:56:10 <Jay7> or load keymap from initramfs
Jul 16 21:56:12 <bluelightning> sorry my connection is dodgy right now :/
Jul 16 21:56:32 <Jay7> url is in $topic :)
Jul 16 21:56:43 <Jay7> btw, offtopic
Jul 16 21:57:06 <Jay7> ant__: I've heard about some electronic clock collision in some province of Italy
Jul 16 21:57:12 <Jay7> is it still true?
Jul 16 21:57:22 <ant__> ?
Jul 16 21:57:34 <ant__> unheard
Jul 16 21:57:37 <Jay7> hm..
Jul 16 21:57:57 <ant__> here in EU we have train collisions :/
Jul 16 21:58:29 <ant__> ah, wait, found smthg
Jul 16 21:58:53 <ant__> heh..Sicily
Jul 16 21:59:33 <ant__> back in June
Jul 16 21:59:46 <Jay7> yes, Sicily :)
Jul 16 21:59:56 <ant__> origin could be repairing of a submarine cable
Jul 16 22:01:02 <ant__> yes, since may they are working on the cable connecting Sicily
Jul 16 22:01:15 <ant__> bah
Jul 16 22:01:26 <ant__> to finish the OT's...
Jul 16 22:01:29 <Jay7> so do clocks still running faster? :)
Jul 16 22:01:39 <ant__> no idea,
Jul 16 22:01:43 <Jay7> ok :)
Jul 16 22:01:48 <ant__> I'll be in Sicily in a month
Jul 16 22:01:50 <ant__>  :)
Jul 16 22:02:04 <ant__> will check on Zaurus rtc ;)
Jul 16 22:02:33 <ant__> OT OT: (Google+ == Facebook) ?
Jul 16 22:03:07 <ant__> I stay away for the moment
Jul 16 22:03:09 <Jay7> hehe..
Jul 16 22:03:16 <Jay7> cortez invited me into G+
Jul 16 22:03:20 <ant__> same
Jul 16 22:03:24 <Jay7> I'll wait too
Jul 16 22:03:39 <Jay7> I have no facebook account
Jul 16 22:03:47 <Jay7> and seems will not have G+ one :)
Jul 16 22:03:48 <ant__> neither
Jul 16 22:03:56 <bluelightning> ant__: what were you wanting to draw my attention to specifically?
Jul 16 22:04:02 <ant__> bah..they already prepare your profile...
Jul 16 22:04:13 <ant__> about th eminimalistic layering
Jul 16 22:04:27 <ant__> what can one do with oe-core only?
Jul 16 22:04:37 <ant__> console-image ?
Jul 16 22:05:15 <ant__> it seems to me that at thi spoint there is an absolute confusion
Jul 16 22:05:28 <ant__> Koen is busy with TI so Angstrom starves
Jul 16 22:05:42 <ant__> oe-core is progressing very well
Jul 16 22:05:56 <ant__> what about the 'no-distro' idea?
Jul 16 22:06:10 <ant__> is a 'mini9mal' implicit nowaday?
Jul 16 22:06:25 <ant__> s/9//
Jul 16 22:06:56 <ant__> e.g. there is any use of the 'contribs' branches atm
Jul 16 22:07:03 <ant__> zareo commits
Jul 16 22:07:45 <bluelightning> well this
Jul 16 22:07:47 <bluelightning> er
Jul 16 22:08:05 <bluelightning> these are all issues...
Jul 16 22:08:32 <bluelightning> oe-core is distroless to avoid focusing on any particular distro, same reason why it has no real machines
Jul 16 22:08:45 <ant__> k
Jul 16 22:09:07 <bluelightning> we're not going to get the rich level of support back with all our layers until more people get involved with the new structure
Jul 16 22:09:29 <bluelightning> right now only a few people are using/contributing to meta-oe
Jul 16 22:09:45 <bluelightning> and it's not really clear what the split between oe-core and meta-oe is
Jul 16 22:09:59 <ant__> yes, the point is this: why pass through meta-oe if target is oe-core?
Jul 16 22:10:11 <ant__> easier do oe-dev -> oe-core
Jul 16 22:10:37 <bluelightning> well it depends on whether the item in question is a "core" item or not
Jul 16 22:10:46 <ant__> sure
Jul 16 22:10:46 <bluelightning> if it is, then yes it should go directly to oe-core
Jul 16 22:10:57 <ant__> now I talk about an hypotetical x11-image
Jul 16 22:10:59 <bluelightning> the definition of "core" isn't always clear atm though
Jul 16 22:12:48 <bluelightning> but what is this x11-image?
Jul 16 22:14:37 <ant__> I'm looking at the images provided in oe-core
Jul 16 22:15:55 <ant__> IMAGE_FEATURES += "apps-console-core ${X11_IMAGE_FEATURES}"
Jul 16 22:16:04 <ant__> ok, maybe this one
Jul 16 22:16:19 <ant__> core-image-core
Jul 16 22:17:22 <bluelightning> not very well named :/
Jul 16 22:18:50 <ant__> the 'classic' images are provided by Angstrom layer
Jul 16 22:19:17 <ant__> recipes-angstrom/images/c
Jul 16 22:19:39 <ant__> I build console-image as test
Jul 16 22:21:27 <ant__> anyway, we need an updated device-table in oe-core
Jul 16 22:21:45 <ant__> ..and klibc...
Jul 16 22:21:58 <ant__> about this, I talked with fray last night
Jul 16 22:22:20 <ant__> we found out the strange OSError is a failed chown root:root
Jul 16 22:24:41 <ant__> he said the 'fixup_perms' should NOT happen on cross packages... :/
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