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Nov 13 17:40:36 <ant_work> hi dromede
Nov 13 17:40:46 <dromede> hi ant
Nov 13 17:41:06 <ant_work> ugly failures with kernel :/
Nov 13 17:41:22 <ant_work> even spitz failed with 3.6.6
Nov 13 17:42:00 <dromede> i haven't tried newer kernels in a while
Nov 13 17:42:24 <dromede> got any logs?
Nov 13 17:42:28 <ant_work> somehow pxa25x now fails with > 3.3
Nov 13 17:43:10 <ant_work> http://paste.debian.net/208446/
Nov 13 17:43:20 <ant_work> http://paste.debian.net/208447/
Nov 13 17:43:38 <ant_work> different kernels, dfferent configs, same failure
Nov 13 17:43:47 <ant_work> I'll log spitz in a few hours
Nov 13 17:43:51 <dromede> both links have expired
Nov 13 17:44:16 <ant_work> oh, sory
Nov 13 17:44:17 <ant_work> Nov 12 12:47:46 <ant_work> 3.6.6  http://paste.debian.net/208548/
Nov 13 17:44:17 <ant_work> Nov 12 12:50:09 <ant_work> 3.4.11-yocto  http://paste.debian.net/208550/
Nov 13 17:45:38 <dromede> wow
Nov 13 17:46:04 <ant_work> gpiolib rework?
Nov 13 17:46:29 <dromede> not sure, as i said haven't looked at the new kernels in a while
Nov 13 17:46:32 <dromede> i will eventually
Nov 13 17:47:00 <ant_work> even 3.4
Nov 13 17:47:14 <dromede> 3.4?
Nov 13 17:47:18 <dromede> that shouldn't fail
Nov 13 17:47:19 <ant_work> even 3.3.8 - vanilla fails on collie
Nov 13 17:47:27 <ant_work> s/collie/corgi/
Nov 13 17:47:33 <dromede> 3.4 fails on spitz too?
Nov 13 17:47:51 <ant_work> not last time..I'm sure I've booted it
Nov 13 17:48:41 <dromede> i'll look into it someday
Nov 13 17:49:17 <ant_work> great, thx, I'll try to debug further
Nov 13 17:49:32 <dromede> btw, zgrom went public three weeks ago
Nov 13 17:49:45 <dromede> and a whooping total of 7 people have downloaded it :/
Nov 13 17:49:52 <ant_work> I've seen the news on the mailing list
Nov 13 17:49:57 <dromede> so i guess there really are no zaurus users these days
Nov 13 17:49:59 <dromede> oh well
Nov 13 17:50:30 <ant_work> I think OEASF is dead
Nov 13 17:50:36 <ant_work> -A
Nov 13 17:50:53 <dromede> for a long time now
Nov 13 17:51:03 <ant_work> we have more people lurking in OE/Angstrom/zaurus ML
Nov 13 17:51:21 <dromede> i'm not aware of any other zaurus centric forums
Nov 13 17:51:30 <dromede> well maybe zaurus.ru
Nov 13 17:52:47 <dromede> anyways, i was thinking of adding another feature to kexecboot
Nov 13 17:52:56 <dromede> something like a "pass through mode"
Nov 13 17:53:15 <dromede> basically, you add a keyword to a kernel section
Nov 13 17:53:32 <dromede> and kexecboot will boot that kernel immediately, without showing the menu
Nov 13 17:53:40 <bluelightning> I think we've been so long without a viable distro most people lost interest in their zauruses :(
Nov 13 17:54:23 <dromede> in that way kexecboot would have an option to behave more like a regular bootloader
Nov 13 17:55:13 <ant_work> dromede, iirc is planned feature, like a countdown
Nov 13 17:55:35 <dromede> yes, timeout is similar
Nov 13 17:55:53 <dromede> but a "pass through" mode would be faster
Nov 13 17:57:19 <dromede> bluelightning: and let's not forget that zaurus devices are more than 7 years old now
Nov 13 17:57:29 <dromede> i reckon most people have moved on to other devices
Nov 13 17:57:48 <bluelightning> true
Nov 13 17:58:10 <dromede> also a viable distro needs users and as i said before, i don't think there are many of them left
Nov 13 17:59:07 <ant_work> abou newer devices, kexecboot can be handy to overcome crypetd bootloaders it seems :)
Nov 13 17:59:09 <bluelightning> it's been too hard to get something installed for too long though and that can't have helped
Nov 13 17:59:40 <ant_work> I see new phones and tablets star to be 'signed'
Nov 13 17:59:49 <bluelightning> I see your instructions for installing zgrom are clear and concise however, well done :)
Nov 13 18:00:00 <ant_work> there are interesting threads in the kexec mailing list
Nov 13 18:00:31 <bluelightning> ant_work: I guess in the old days the bootloader was just obscure and undocumented rather than locked
Nov 13 18:00:56 <dromede> i'm not familiar with the android boot process
Nov 13 18:01:13 <ant_work> just google for kexecboot or kexec-boot :)
Nov 13 18:01:26 <bluelightning> nor am I, but the early stage is of course device-specific as you would expect
Nov 13 18:01:50 <ant_work> we have to add some more options to pass to kexec
Nov 13 18:02:09 <dromede> i meant that i'm not familiar with the whole "locked bootloader", "signed kernel" things that are prevalent in the android world
Nov 13 18:03:02 <ant_work> afaik some tablets come with an utility to able to 'free' the bootloader
Nov 13 18:03:41 <ant_work> then you can boot any kernel. Others have to be exploited using 'recovery'-like  images
Nov 13 18:04:11 <bluelightning> FWIW, gta04 guys are now talking about a modern tablet-type device; zaurus-style clamshell was also mentioned
Nov 13 18:05:23 <dromede> honestly, i never considered the GTA* devices as serious end user products
Nov 13 18:06:18 <dromede> more like products for hard core hobbyists
Nov 13 18:06:33 <bluelightning> at the moment the choice is either an open device on a small scale with issues, or a mass-produced end-user product that is locked down
Nov 13 18:06:36 <dromede> similar to what raspberry pi stands for today
Nov 13 18:06:42 <bluelightning> (or has binary blobs)
Nov 13 18:07:39 <dromede> i'm eyeing the IS01 as my next toy
Nov 13 18:07:55 <dromede> Sharp IS01, that is
Nov 13 18:08:19 * ant_work notes Sharp is almost in bankrupcy those days
Nov 13 18:08:25 <dromede> true
Nov 13 18:08:44 <dromede> openpandora has great community and hardware
Nov 13 18:08:51 <dromede> but IMHO, it's butt ugly
Nov 13 18:09:43 <dromede> and quite expensive
Nov 13 18:11:14 <bluelightning> a guy in my office ordered an openpandora years ago, still hasn't got it
Nov 13 18:11:34 <ant_work> I think we'll have more fun with TV and home-peripherals soon
Nov 13 18:12:49 <ant_work> see you later
Nov 13 18:15:58 <dromede> this thing is also interesting:
Nov 13 18:16:02 <dromede> http://www.ph2dot1.com/2010/04/bphone-first-look-i.html
Nov 13 18:16:12 <dromede> but it seems to be completely locked down
Nov 13 18:16:20 <dromede> and probably hard to find
Nov 13 18:18:44 <bluelightning> certainly looks zaurus-inspired
Nov 13 18:19:44 <dromede> and it has better hardware
Nov 13 18:19:54 <dromede> but not by much
Nov 13 18:20:20 <dromede> 128 sdram and pxa310
Nov 13 18:25:22 <bluelightning> bbl
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