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Feb 13 22:59:23 <ant_home> bluelightning: do you happen to meet hpa?
Feb 13 22:59:41 <bluelightning> ant_home: I have met him on a couple of occasions
Feb 13 22:59:59 <ant_home> does he know about Yocto/OE?
Feb 13 23:00:04 <bluelightning> ant_home: didn't talk with him much though
Feb 13 23:00:10 <bluelightning> he's aware of it
Feb 13 23:00:34 <bluelightning> Darren has worked most closely with him I think
Feb 13 23:00:48 <bluelightning> (dvhart)
Feb 13 23:00:49 <ant_home> ok
Feb 13 23:01:08 <ant_home> I have one doubt, about klibc.bbclass
Feb 13 23:01:48 <ant_home> I'm building since months with a modified class, started when fixing armv4
Feb 13 23:02:04 <ant_home> now, old version still produces smaller binaries
Feb 13 23:02:19 <ant_home> as documented  http://dev.man-online.org/man1/klcc/
Feb 13 23:03:19 <ant_home> if I let in place
Feb 13 23:03:23 <ant_home> export CFLAGS=""
Feb 13 23:03:23 <ant_home> export CPPFLAGS=""
Feb 13 23:03:23 <ant_home> export LDFLAGS=""
Feb 13 23:03:50 <ant_home> as in old version, we save some 20%
Feb 13 23:04:16 <ant_home> but..
Feb 13 23:04:23 <ant_home> the diff is like
Feb 13 23:04:25 <ant_home> -export CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -g -feliminate-unused-debug-types -I/oe/oe-core/build/tmp-eglibc/sysroots/collie/lib/klibc/include -I/oe/oe-core/build/tmp-eglibc/sysroots/collie/lib/klibc/include/bits32"
Feb 13 23:04:25 <ant_home> +export CFLAGS="-I/oe/oe-core/build/tmp-eglibc/sysroots/collie/lib/klibc/include -I/oe/oe-core/build/tmp-eglibc/sysroots/collie/lib/klibc/include/bits32"
Feb 13 23:04:53 <ant_home> former is without zapping the flags
Feb 13 23:05:00 <ant_home> O2
Feb 13 23:05:03 <ant_home>  -g
Feb 13 23:05:26 <ant_home> in fact, our std toolchain flags
Feb 13 23:05:56 <ant_home> out tc also adds
Feb 13 23:06:02 <ant_home>  export LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu -Wl,--as-needed"
Feb 13 23:06:24 <ant_home> both binaries are sane, fwiw
Feb 13 23:07:16 <ant_home> I'm perplexed about the 'ideal' solution...
Feb 13 23:08:26 <bluelightning> I don't have any immediate suggestions
Feb 13 23:08:43 <ant_home> reading klcc manual I'd tend to kep on resetting the flags
Feb 13 23:08:45 <bluelightning> though it's not hard to imagine our default flags aren't appropriate for a "lean" bootloader
Feb 13 23:09:06 <bluelightning> if the binary works I can't see the harm in it
Feb 13 23:09:29 <ant_home> the point is, in the past more debug flags were added
Feb 13 23:09:41 <ant_home> not only -g
Feb 13 23:09:55 <ant_home> that in the past, not actually
Feb 13 23:10:47 <ant_home> with xz/lzma we can tolerate the extra size
Feb 13 23:13:08 <bluelightning> hmm
Feb 13 23:13:29 <bluelightning> unfortunately I have to go... I have to get up at 5 AM tomorrow
Feb 13 23:13:36 <ant_home> ouch
Feb 13 23:13:36 <bluelightning> catch you later
Feb 13 23:13:47 <ant_home> sure, take your time
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