**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 09 02:59:58 2016 Jun 09 07:47:42 bluelightning: hi Jun 09 07:48:09 have you finished your patch series? Jun 09 07:49:59 I'll have a bit of time this weekend, I plan to build some images with musl, opie as well Jun 09 07:50:18 daal: I'l move straight to 4.7-rc Jun 09 07:52:38 ant_work : ok, I was about to do a new release later this month, once 4.7 released, but there may be issues :) Jun 09 07:53:00 the sound fixes are only in 4.7-rc Jun 09 07:53:03 hi daal, ant_work Jun 09 07:53:07 hi VartiWork Jun 09 07:53:15 ant_work : great, good to know Jun 09 07:53:28 Hi VartiWork and ant_work Jun 09 07:54:06 ant_work : what version for kexecboot ? stay with 4.4 ? Jun 09 07:54:42 good question...4.4 seems to work on my devices Jun 09 07:54:53 but I have had quirks with MMC Jun 09 07:55:07 it seems there are more fixes for SD/MMC in 4.7 Jun 09 07:55:26 timing/probing iirc Jun 09 07:55:30 ok, I was holding back and stayed with 3.x for kexecboot because of these Jun 09 07:56:32 3.x should still be perfectly fine Jun 09 07:56:54 it's just we lost the original binaries :/ Jun 09 07:57:21 have you tried the 4.4 I compiled on your Z? Jun 09 07:57:22 well, I made one based one 3.5 but that is only for C3x00 Jun 09 07:57:36 I tested on my 3200 Jun 09 07:57:37 not the kexecboot, yet no Jun 09 07:58:17 but 3200 is not ideal because due to the hdd the detection takes longer Jun 09 07:58:35 daal: planning to do a new release? that's great to hear Jun 09 07:59:11 btw I've seen Jay7 lurking here last week Jun 09 07:59:30 I have to get in touch, maybe he has some time to update kexecboot Jun 09 07:59:49 we need the devicetree patches, pxa will be DT very soon Jun 09 08:00:07 DT only I fear... Jun 09 08:00:14 hm, yes that is a problem Jun 09 08:01:45 thats why I thought to stay with the latest LTS release Jun 09 08:02:00 4.4. ? Jun 09 08:02:08 right, 4.4 is longterm Jun 09 08:02:35 can we backport the 4.7 patches to 4.4 , for audio etc ? Jun 09 08:02:49 as for 4.6, I tested on the first -rc but I was missing the keyboard..only serial Jun 09 08:03:10 for audio, sure. I think I'll ask to send for-stable Jun 09 08:03:14 I guess it will get worse, pxa2xx is not much maintained anymore Jun 09 08:05:30 daal: it would be nicer if oesf would be up again when it will be released Jun 09 08:06:01 VartiWork : well, this may be true but what are the chances ? Jun 09 08:06:24 daal: I have now seen you post on archlinuarm.org Jun 09 08:06:55 we still have some hopes... I'm in touch with Roy these days Jun 09 08:08:05 so I think we have some chances of getting access to the forum's db Jun 09 08:08:44 well, be realistic, even if someone gets hold of the database of the forum, who is going to host and administrate it (cost & time ) ? Jun 09 08:09:54 no idea really of how much work is required to admin it Jun 09 08:11:15 I believe ibiblio might still be used to host it Jun 09 08:12:34 oesf fits at least one of the requirements of ibiblio, i.e. preservation of information Jun 09 08:13:11 I'd gladly help with the administration, too, although I have little free time like most others Jun 09 08:13:21 yes, but an active forum needs administration. For archiving the latest version should go to archive org Jun 09 08:14:32 I doubt there is a need to keep that forum active again, it was almost dead Jun 09 08:14:55 but let's see Jun 09 08:16:14 what has been "lost" is the heap of Z related information.. Jun 09 08:16:52 I'd like to keep it open... it's the only remaining place regarding the Zaurus, at least in english, and although not much active, some users still like to hang in there Jun 09 08:18:53 there was a guy in #alarmz asking me the other day if the forum would come back Jun 09 08:21:30 I wanted myself to post a new guide on multibooting Cacko and alarmz, both from SD, and another one collecting all the info on where to get HW and accessories for the Z Jun 09 08:21:44 we'll see Jun 09 08:26:32 another option could be to start again from scratch with a new, Zaurus only forum, providing that we can find enough people to help, and importing there all the old posts Jun 09 08:26:51 but I guess I'm OT now :) Jun 09 08:30:23 VartiWork : I will maintain the ArchLinuxARM port for some time, stick to that forum / PM for the time being. Jun 09 08:30:49 ok Jun 09 08:45:14 I see we lost http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zaurus-devel as well Jun 09 08:45:45 well, there are copies online... Jun 09 08:46:03 http://zaurus-devel.linuxtogo.narkive.com/ Jun 09 08:47:39 yes, no new posts in 4 years... Jun 09 08:48:07 yes, the list was closed long ago Jun 09 08:48:58 I don't think it's useful to open a new forum/list...not enough users/feedback Jun 09 08:49:23 well, we must face the the undeniable fact that this platform will die. Best to keep the information archived , as much as possible. Jun 09 08:49:54 ant_work: I agree, no need for a new forum Jun 09 08:51:07 btw in all those years I havent seen a single iPAQ user/dev popping up Jun 09 08:51:22 some devices did bitrot in a couple of years Jun 09 08:52:26 as long as my C3100 does work (still original micro drive) I will keep it supported Jun 09 08:52:35 after all, looking at it today, these little devices were the smartphone prototypes Jun 09 08:52:51 yes, you are right Jun 09 08:53:04 but with KB instead GB and Mhz instead of GHz Jun 09 08:53:38 Sharp was ahead that time, but the JP only market killed the device Jun 09 08:57:44 now I hope the GPD WIN may be able to run linux, once released Jun 09 08:59:19 wow, expensive Jun 09 08:59:46 I got a gcw0 years ago Jun 09 08:59:56 I see the Zaurus as a retro device Jun 09 09:00:19 still fun to fiddle with Jun 09 09:00:35 ant_work : hey, what did a C3100 cost in 2005 ? Jun 09 09:00:44 heh Jun 09 09:01:08 I thought so Jun 09 09:02:12 it's still anyway one of the few existing devices with a usable keyboard... I used it to do some music on the go with Milkytracker, I wouldn't even try to do that on a device without a qwerty keyboard Jun 09 09:02:19 most of these game devices are Android Jun 09 09:03:32 daal: I'm not so sure about Linux on GDP, I have read of missing Linux drivers for the gfx acceleration Jun 09 09:04:00 ant_work: this will be sold as a Win10 device Jun 09 09:04:49 I believe the Pyra will be the only viable solution, hoping that it won't delayed too much Jun 09 09:04:51 yes, I don't know if that's a plus or a minus Jun 09 09:04:52 VariWork : it will be a Win10 device, but as far as I know, not release yet and Atom / Intel is suppored Jun 09 09:05:35 Pyra, is bulky and not up to scratch. Not really interested Jun 09 09:08:27 aren't the Pyra and GDP roughly the same size? Jun 09 09:08:32 see, I was talking with my kid (almost 9 yrs) to whom I gave iphone, ipad and gcw0 for gaming Jun 09 09:08:55 guess what? more than for a nother handheld he's asking for a PC Jun 09 09:09:48 maybe the Pyra is more thick Jun 09 09:10:48 ant_work : well, this may be an indicator, get ready for VR capable PC Jun 09 09:38:00 [11:29] == You are banned from this server- You have violated freenode terms of service. contact kline@freenode.net with questions (2016/6/9 09.29) Jun 09 09:38:08 [11:29] == ERROR: Closing Link: gateway/web/freenode/ip.x.x.x.x (K-Lined) Jun 09 09:38:33 not the first time it happened to me here... seems like they sometimes ban people randomly Jun 09 09:40:48 heh, it's rare to see K-Lines Jun 09 09:41:16 I was just wondering...maybe thje server you're connecting through has issues Jun 09 09:44:00 that k-line must have also been immediately removed, I have been able to reconnect again after a couple of seconds Jun 09 09:44:33 no idea... my company server seems to have no issues today Jun 09 09:45:53 I meant freenode server, now I see you're on herbert.freenode.net Jun 09 09:49:30 ah ok... might be **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 10 02:59:59 2016