**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 14 02:59:57 2007
May 14 05:01:01 <bandi> guys,is anyone ever try to build firefox on sbox?
May 14 05:03:43 <bandi> i got this error when build it : [/home/bandi/minimo-build/dist/lib/libsoftokn3.chk] Error 245
May 14 05:06:00 <zuh> I think that's a qemu error code for "not emulated instruction" or something like that. You get that for example building an ARMv6 binary and trying to run it with qemu.
May 14 05:10:22 <sandman> How to mount an ext3 in Maemo?
May 14 05:10:48 <kulve> in the device? Or in the SDK?
May 14 05:10:56 <sandman> In the device.
May 14 05:11:21 <kulve> I think the Maemo is the SDK ;) Just load the proper modules from /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/.../...
May 14 05:11:29 <sandman> I tried
May 14 05:11:31 <sandman> But it fails
May 14 05:11:42 <sandman> modprobe and insmod both fail when insmod ext3 or modprobe ext2
May 14 05:11:45 <sandman> ext3, rathe
May 14 05:11:49 <kulve> see dmesg
May 14 05:11:50 <sandman> rEven after I chroot /mnt/initfs
May 14 05:12:00 <kulve> you are missing some modules before ext3
May 14 05:12:46 <sandman> Well how do I generate a modules.dep?
May 14 05:13:50 <sandman> Run depmod?
May 14 05:14:43 <bandi> zuh: sorry im out a bit, how to get out this problem ?
May 14 05:14:57 <bandi> any idea?
May 14 05:15:18 <kulve> sandman: just install the two missing modules
May 14 05:15:21 <kulve> bandi: sbrsh
May 14 05:15:42 <bandi> hmm,
May 14 05:16:15 <bandi> kulve : ok ill try it out, thnx
May 14 05:16:50 <sandman> How to install the missing modules?
May 14 05:17:30 <kulve> insmod
May 14 05:17:35 <sandman> I tried
May 14 05:18:47 <sandman> Keeps saying "insmod: cannot insert './ext3.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory
May 14 05:20:44 <sandman> Just got it
May 14 05:20:49 <bandi> kulve: using sbrsh means that the real device should be online isnt?
May 14 05:21:00 <kulve> bandi: yep
May 14 05:21:11 <kulve> sandman: insmod the two missing modules first
May 14 05:21:24 <kulve> and see the dmesg command for hints about the modules to install
May 14 05:21:44 <zuh> bandi: If you are not looking for a permanent solution, maybe disabling that check from the build would work...
May 14 05:22:41 <bandi> zuh : okay, ill check it out first,ill be back again ;)
May 14 05:48:46 <bandi> zuh : i think i cant disable that :(, is there anothere solution other than using sbrsh and disable the option?
May 14 06:02:38 <zuh> Apart from fixing qemu (if possible), I can't think of any...
May 14 06:06:05 <invain> Hi
May 14 06:06:58 <invain> I have one question .  I need  your help.... Please.... Why  I consider maemo  when I want to try  open phone platform?
May 14 06:10:10 <kulve> good question. There are no phones using maemo (atm). And afaik, there are no(?) open platforms for existing phones.
May 14 06:11:15 <bandi> zuh : thnx for the info, perhaps ill try to find some patch on mozilla regarding this problem
May 14 06:11:55 <bandi> if there exist :(
May 14 06:23:48 <roope> there's openmoko...
May 14 06:26:55 <kulve> roope: that's why I said "existing". Afaik, you can't buy any phone now that can be used with openmoko
May 14 06:41:58 <invain> Umm.
May 14 06:42:19 <invain> If I want to by  neo  series about openmok.
May 14 06:42:32 <invain> by --> buy
May 14 07:28:24 <keesj> Hi
May 14 08:53:38 <AD-N770> good morning
May 14 08:56:09 <gla55> mornings
May 14 08:57:30 <florian> good morning
May 14 09:09:52 <maemo_> I tried to get usbnet working with n800. when I tried to modprobel g_ether on pc  its failing, says no such device ! any one faced this issue ?
May 14 09:11:22 <keesj> what an original nick :p, no. I did not try usbnet yet. it's high on my todo list
May 14 09:11:46 <keesj> maemo what documenatation did you follow?
May 14 09:11:46 <kulve> I think the module is "usbnet" on pc, not g_ether
May 14 09:11:58 <kulve> and you probably need to set up the n800 end first
May 14 09:13:22 <maemo_> the document is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/UsbNetworking
May 14 09:13:35 <maemo_> it says g_ether needs to be modprobed
May 14 09:15:30 <gla55> one would think it needs to be done on the maemo device?
May 14 09:15:38 <kulve> yeah
May 14 09:15:51 <kulve> Part I -- Nokia 770/n800 USB Network Environment Configuration
May 14 09:15:56 <kulve> Part II -- Host Platform USB Network Configuration
May 14 09:16:02 <kulve> check which one you are reading..
May 14 09:16:15 <gla55> ah on the host too
May 14 09:16:26 <gla55> hmm
May 14 09:16:33 <kulve> and the dummyIAP stuff doesn't work in n800
May 14 09:22:54 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 14 09:23:13 <keesj> Goede Mogge!
May 14 09:23:53 <keesj> How can I create .deb files for kernel modules?
May 14 09:36:07 <jku_> Haven't done that myself, but there should be no magic to it... examples can be found in debian or ubuntu source repos.
May 14 09:36:36 <jku_> filesystems at least (e.g. squash and fuse I believe)
May 14 09:38:46 <jku_> actually I just remembered a bit of magic: take a look at module-assistant
May 14 09:41:33 <keesj> jku_ thanks .
May 14 10:33:16 <Jari--> hi
May 14 11:11:17 <Guardian> hello maemo
May 14 11:55:45 <Daef> hi there
May 14 11:56:27 <Daef> anybody here with some knowledge about flashing the n800
May 14 11:56:28 <Daef> ?
May 14 11:57:25 <kulve> yeah, quite many I would guess..
May 14 11:57:34 <Daef> kewl
May 14 11:58:06 <Daef> i flashed my n800 and now it boots until about two thirds of the progress bar and then reboots - and so on, and so on ....
May 14 11:58:22 * Daef excuses himself for his bad english
May 14 11:58:31 <kulve> official image?
May 14 11:59:24 <Daef> i took the official bin - unpacked it with the flash tool - mounted the rootimage.jffs2 local
May 14 11:59:43 <Daef> copied everything onto a writable folder on my sys
May 14 12:00:13 <Daef> deleted /home/user/MyMedia/.videos/demovid.avi or sth. like to see if it works when successfull
May 14 12:00:21 <Daef> tared everything
May 14 12:00:26 <Daef> build an jffs2 again
May 14 12:00:28 <Daef> and flashed
May 14 12:00:33 <Daef> puh....
May 14 12:01:02 <kulve> my guess is that you missed something when you copied, tarred or jffs2'ed it
May 14 12:01:03 <Robot101> Daef: how did you copy it?
May 14 12:01:07 <Robot101> Daef: with cp -a?
May 14 12:01:26 <Robot101> Daef: you need to be root and use cp -a so that it preserves the permissions and special files (like device nodes)
May 14 12:02:23 <Daef> jff2 => writablefilesys:
May 14 12:03:20 <Daef> sry... gotta look into .bash_history...
May 14 12:04:26 <Daef> when mounted i used tar to pack everything into a local tar (tar cvfz /pathToMountedJffs2 and then tar xvzf /pathToTar)
May 14 12:04:28 <kulve> just do it again. Be root (and watch out what you are doing). Make sure use -a with cp (or the corresponding options). And make sure you use the right options with mkfs.jffs2
May 14 12:04:46 <Daef> i had been root while doing it
May 14 12:04:56 <Daef> i used tar instead of cp
May 14 12:05:24 <Daef> i used mkfs.jffs2 only indirect in a 'tar2jffs2.sh' script i found on the w3
May 14 12:05:38 <Daef> i thought it should work ;)
May 14 12:05:41 <kulve> you probably should omit the verbose option to more easily spot the possible errors..
May 14 12:05:54 <Daef> the v in the tar opt??
May 14 12:05:59 <kulve> yeah
May 14 12:06:12 <Daef> i thought verbose means more output
May 14 12:06:18 <kulve> it means
May 14 12:06:22 <kulve> but it's a lot.
May 14 12:06:31 <kulve> so the errors are missed easily
May 14 12:06:37 <Daef> ahh... i understand
May 14 12:06:49 <Daef> i'll try it in a few secs... hold on a min pls...
May 14 12:06:59 <kulve> I think the tar command should work, so maybe your tar2jffs2.sh doesn't
May 14 12:07:21 <Daef> could also be...
May 14 12:07:24 <kulve> but the booting problems are real hard to debug
May 14 12:07:43 <Daef> ...the strange thing is that i get the nokia bootlogo and a progressbar
May 14 12:07:46 <kulve> I haven't created a jffs2 image of my rootfs', just booted from mmc
May 14 12:07:55 <Daef> so it is at least not completely f**ked up
May 14 12:08:15 <kulve> I thinke the logo and progressbar might come from initfs, so before rootfs
May 14 12:08:22 <Daef> k
May 14 12:08:27 <pupnik_> right,
May 14 12:10:08 <Daef> we developed a software which ran on a tablet pc--- ppl now want a smaller version - so we need to get completely get rid of the orig stuff (like media player, browser, ...) and build a minimal system onto the n800 (X-Server, SDL) and save as much space as possible for the png's, the sounds and the syntetic speech engine (acapella) on the dev
May 14 12:10:41 <Daef> what is the best way to archieve this??
May 14 12:10:49 <kulve> hack hack hack ;)
May 14 12:10:58 <Robot101> Daef: make a build with OE or poky
May 14 12:11:07 <Daef> shall we use the original image and get rid of everything??
May 14 12:11:16 <Daef> what is OE or poky??
May 14 12:11:31 <florian> Daef: www.openembedded.org
May 14 12:11:33 <zuh> Daef: If the screen doesn't go white before it reboots, it's probable that it is the X that fails to start (it clears the screen when it starts up).
May 14 12:11:37 <Robot101> Daef: embedded image build systems
May 14 12:11:53 <Robot101> Daef: http://pokylinux.org/ has support for the 770
May 14 12:12:05 <Daef> we need the 800
May 14 12:12:06 <kulve> Robot101: does it include all the binary stuff for n800?
May 14 12:12:13 <kaatis> Daef, maybe you could take the flash image as a staring point and just remove the packages (browser, mediaplayer, etc) you don't need?
May 14 12:12:16 <kulve> i.e. close source
May 14 12:12:44 <kaatis> and then repackage it
May 14 12:12:58 <Daef> that was my thought...
May 14 12:13:00 <kulve> Daef: I think I would do what kaatis said (but I'm not familiar with OE nor poky)
May 14 12:13:18 <Daef> ...but when it's easyer with OE - i'll give it a try
May 14 12:13:51 <Daef> where do i find OE-related ppl??
May 14 12:13:57 <Daef> #openembedded??
May 14 12:15:02 <Robot101> kulve: no, wireless and DSP audio stuff will be broken
May 14 12:15:18 <Daef> audio is the main thing we need
May 14 12:15:28 <kulve> Robot101: so I though. So it's not really an option for many cases..
May 14 12:15:37 <florian> Daef: #oe...  but you should read some intro on the website before asking.
May 14 12:15:39 <Robot101> kulve: you can transplant them in though
May 14 12:15:45 <Daef> it's a software for ppl who are not able to speak after a surgery for example
May 14 12:16:09 <kulve> Daef: what do you need to space for?
May 14 12:16:15 <kulve> wouldn't an mmc do?
May 14 12:16:32 <florian> brb, food
May 14 12:16:32 <Robot101> I think dspgateway might work, but you won't have any actual codecs other than playing out PCM audio
May 14 12:17:12 <Daef> our synthetic speech engine produces PCM-out
May 14 12:17:22 <Daef> but we also need to play a few mp3's
May 14 12:18:00 <kulve> the device has two mmc slots' both supporting 2G officially and 4G unofficially..
May 14 12:18:05 <kulve> -'
May 14 12:18:05 <Daef> @kulve: we want to bring as much as possible to the internal mmc wich gets shipped
May 14 12:18:46 <kulve> maybe you could compress the speech with speex e.g.?
May 14 12:19:05 <kulve> if you store it somewhere, like I understood..
May 14 12:19:37 <Daef> robot101 told me that i wont get codec for dspgateway
May 14 12:20:16 <Robot101> speex doesn't run on the DSP, you'd have to put it in software
May 14 12:20:23 <Robot101> should work fine though
May 14 12:20:26 <kulve> the dsp codecs are closed source and that's one reason why they are not included in OE builds. Speex is just a C lib
May 14 12:20:41 <Daef> Speex does what exactly??
May 14 12:20:53 <Daef> i'll try to flash the orig image and c if that works...
May 14 12:21:01 <gla55> speex is a codec.. good for voice
May 14 12:21:02 <kulve> compresses speech
May 14 12:21:07 <Daef> okay
May 14 12:21:19 <kulve> http://speex.org/
May 14 12:21:19 <gla55> if i don't recall totally wrong skype for example uses speex?
May 14 12:21:40 <Daef> ty @ kulve - already found that one....
May 14 12:21:46 <gla55> i might remember that wrong though
May 14 12:21:52 <kulve> speex support for n800: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/05/13/ogg-support-02-speex/
May 14 12:21:55 <kulve> :)
May 14 12:22:41 <Robot101> gla55: they just use GIPS voip engine, so it can be anything supported by that
May 14 12:23:32 <Daef> so ppl - speex seems interresting - gotta give it a look - now i'll get some pizza and try to flash the orig image of rootfs....
May 14 12:23:39 <Daef> ...read ya later
May 14 12:23:45 <Daef> ty @ all
May 14 12:57:48 <Mithrandir> anybody know what's up with bugs.m.o?  I'm getting ECONNREFUSED.
May 14 12:59:10 <andreasn> there are some problems with the server box
May 14 12:59:25 <andreasn> the admin is taking it down, should be up again in a short while
May 14 12:59:40 <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
May 14 13:02:50 <andreasn> bugzilla is up again
May 14 13:09:35 <pupnik_> maemo.org certificate could not be verified
May 14 13:09:43 <pupnik_> is that a known problem or just me?
May 14 13:12:25 <keesj> I have the same , I don't know if it's ca problem :p
May 14 13:13:21 <pupnik_> you have attempted to establish a connection with bugs.maemo.org, however the security certificate presented belongs to maemo.org
May 14 13:14:01 <pupnik_> also i still have "The username or password you entered is not valid." on bugs.maemo.org and on maemo.org
May 14 13:14:04 <pupnik_> but it works on garage
May 14 13:16:26 <keesj> pupnik_: I think you need to find out who to kick and kick very hard
May 14 13:17:37 <pupnik_> It's not a problem until i finish my uqm release and want to move into extras or the application catalog
May 14 13:18:16 <pupnik_> And i'm over my self-set deadline for that, so i should get back to work
May 14 13:18:24 <pupnik_> thanks for the advice re: packaging keesj
May 14 13:21:43 <kulve> does somebody know how to add application to the maemo.org/downloads? If not, then I'll create a bug about it..
May 14 13:22:22 <Pupnik> ah, it's not a bug if you don't know how to do it :)
May 14 13:23:09 <kulve> the documentation about the issue doesn't match with reality, as far as I can see..
May 14 13:24:12 <keesj> kulve: it is juist very hard to find . let mee search..
May 14 13:25:20 <|tbb|> is it possible, to explore my home network from n800 while im using usb networking? i just could ping the machine to which im physikaly (usbcable)connected
May 14 13:25:29 <keesj> I think you have to loging / usb https and then use create ...
May 14 13:25:32 <keesj> http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/user-manual
May 14 13:26:19 <keesj> http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/developer-manual.html
May 14 13:26:26 <kulve> |tbb|: I think the apps (connectivity framework) doesn't see you online, if you are using usbnet? ssh and apt-get work, but browser does not..
May 14 13:26:30 <kulve> keesj: I've read those..
May 14 13:26:48 <kulve> I don't see "application" menu item anywhere..
May 14 13:27:13 <X-Fade> kulve: Just log in, click on a category, see the 'page' item on the midgard menu..
May 14 13:27:48 <kulve> X-Fade: "category"?
May 14 13:28:00 <X-Fade> kulve: tag cloud..
May 14 13:28:19 <keesj> page and floder are empty for me on a category page
May 14 13:28:19 <X-Fade> Go to the category in which you want your app.
May 14 13:28:44 <X-Fade> Or just go here ;) https://maemo.org/downloads/product/create/25/application.html
May 14 13:28:44 <|tbb|> to bad :(
May 14 13:28:52 <kulve> X-Fade: doh!
May 14 13:29:48 <kulve> well, the "2. Click on Applications in the main navigation section" point is wrong in the docs.. I never read further (at least not carefully enough..)
May 14 13:29:52 <kulve> X-Fade: thanks :)
May 14 13:31:02 <X-Fade> kulve: Yeah, the midgard menu on the application page should just have a link to that. But it hasn't..
May 14 13:32:20 <|tbb|> i tried to install python runtme 2.5 but every time it says download fails, is there a directlink to the deb fil?
May 14 13:43:15 <k-s[WORK]> anyone has a kernel with oprofile enabled?
May 14 13:43:29 <k-s[WORK]> just asking before I start to build my own :-)
May 14 13:44:13 <Pupnik> k-s[WORK]: i've just been counting ticks manually before and after function calls.  there should be an oprofile wiki... very interesting stuff - please share your results
May 14 13:45:02 <k-s[WORK]> Pupnik: you mean with kprobes?
May 14 13:45:29 <Pupnik> no i was just doing at app level with sdl ticks
May 14 13:46:33 <k-s[WORK]> Pupnik: ah...
May 14 13:46:34 <k-s[WORK]>  :-)
May 14 13:46:41 <Pupnik> k-s[WORK]: n800 i assume?
May 14 13:46:46 <k-s[WORK]> Pupnik: what your sdl use so far?
May 14 13:46:46 <kulve> ah. finally kilikali and ogg-support is in marmo.org/downloads :)
May 14 13:46:52 <k-s[WORK]> Pupnik: yes, n800
May 14 13:46:55 <Pupnik> k-s[WORK]: game ports
May 14 13:47:04 <k-s[WORK]> fine
May 14 13:54:39 <Daef> wieder da
May 14 13:54:51 <Daef> back again
May 14 13:55:42 <Daef> does anybody know what format the bootlogo in initfs/usr/share/images/logo-nokia is???
May 14 13:58:53 <Pupnik> png
May 14 13:59:00 <Pupnik> according to maemo docs
May 14 13:59:20 <Daef> tried to rename it to .png local and open it with gimp => failed... :(
May 14 13:59:42 <Pupnik> it might be stripped of png headers
May 14 13:59:54 <Pupnik> i haven't been able to convert/use it with any tools either
May 14 14:00:14 <Daef> png's header:Hex: 89 50 4E 47 0D 0A 1A 0A 00 00 00 0D 49 48 44 52
May 14 14:00:22 <Daef>  ASCII: .PNG........IHDR
May 14 14:00:50 <Daef> the logo header:
May 14 14:00:52 <Daef> 0000000 01a0 0000 0048 0000 ffff ffff ffff ffff
May 14 14:00:53 <Daef> 0000010 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff bdff ffff
May 14 14:01:00 <Pupnik> Nokia logo: png image 800x480 8 bit color deep File: qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo
May 14 14:01:08 <Pupnik>  Nokia Hands logo: png image 800x480 8 bit color deep File: qgn_indi_nokia_hands.png
May 14 14:01:18 <Pupnik> These images are located in: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/
May 14 14:01:21 <Pupnik> aha different logo
May 14 14:01:22 <Daef> i thought that only is for the 770'er
May 14 14:02:00 <Daef> the 800 got it in /usr/share/images/logo-nokia
May 14 14:02:37 <Pupnik> well, why change the logo, give nokia credit where credit is due :P
May 14 14:03:08 <Daef> *g*
May 14 14:03:24 <Daef> now i'll really get myself something eadible...
May 14 14:03:29 <Daef> ...read ya later
May 14 14:09:35 <trevarthan> Does anyone know where I can get something like this in a reetail store in the usa? http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=146377&partner=froogle
May 14 14:14:43 <VRe> Hmm, account made to maemo.org works only with garage and not with the wiki.. wiki doesn't let me log in
May 14 14:19:04 <X-Fade> VRe: Just wait 30 mins ;)
May 14 14:19:15 <X-Fade> It syncs about every half hour..
May 14 14:20:34 <X-Fade> It is a known bug and they are working on it. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1152 (Which you probably also can't see without account)
May 14 14:21:11 <VRe> X-Fade: It has been already 2h..
May 14 14:22:30 <X-Fade> VRe: Well, then bug 1152 is the place for you too :)
May 14 14:22:41 <X-Fade> Do you have a bugzilla account?
May 14 14:23:02 <VRe> Yeah, if I can remember it :)
May 14 14:41:15 <trevarthan> Has anyone noticed that audio is sporadic in Pidgin?
May 14 15:08:17 <trevarthan> Does the n800 have a vibrate function?
May 14 15:10:53 <bill20r3> no
May 14 16:13:02 <trevarthan> Does the n800 support a2dp?
May 14 16:19:24 <bill20r3> a2dp?
May 14 16:19:32 <bill20r3> what's the 'p' stand for?
May 14 16:20:22 <`0660> protocol?
May 14 16:20:46 <`0660> no :/
May 14 16:20:51 <`0660> a2dp = Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
May 14 16:21:00 <`0660> so it's profile
May 14 16:31:44 <sandman> Is there a way to install debootstrap in maemo?
May 14 16:32:06 <|tbb|> does the n800 provide the protocol?
May 14 16:32:56 <||cw> I don't think the n800 provides any "host" bt profiles at all, you'd have to install something to provide it
May 14 16:37:58 <trevarthan> So no stereo bluetooth headsets for the n800? No a2dp...
May 14 16:42:33 <|tbb|> sad but true
May 14 16:43:31 <||cw> a2dp is more than just sterio headsets
May 14 16:55:28 <mgedmin> you can send files via OBEX PUSH to the n800
May 14 16:55:39 <mgedmin> I don't know it that constitues a "bt host profile"
May 14 17:07:57 <||cw> mgedmin: wihtout installing anything extra?
May 14 17:08:03 <mgedmin> yes
May 14 17:08:24 <mgedmin> a feature of OS2007
May 14 17:10:16 <||cw> ah, there's a profile list here http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n800_en_R1.html
May 14 17:45:55 <keesj> hmm . the nokia chat is a bit weird
May 14 17:46:12 <keesj> there is no real registration
May 14 17:46:37 <keesj> no passwords. pretty much ad-hoc I think
May 14 19:03:03 <rev> anyone know where i could get a bit of FTP/HTTP space? i need to transfer some files to my nokia N800, and my usual spot (university webspace) is down. it could even be a temporary thing (day or two). i'd need to be able to ftp to it (from my mac at home) and download from it from my N800 where I am now. maybe 20 MB tops of space needed.
May 14 19:03:44 <rev> also, it woldn't matter how un-private the space was, i don't need my own username/pass, if it was just some shared bucket that'd be fine too.
May 14 19:04:37 <Pupnik> http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/
May 14 19:04:39 <Pupnik> for e.g.
May 14 19:05:02 <Pupnik> this is not an endorsement, just a result from a google search
May 14 19:05:27 * rev looks
May 14 19:05:32 <Pupnik> http://www.google.com/search?q=free+file+hosting
May 14 19:05:32 <rev> the problem with most of the things i've looked for like that
May 14 19:05:37 <rev> is that they aren't really useful
May 14 19:05:45 <rev> they have various problems for this situation
May 14 19:05:49 <Pupnik> ftp is a problem
May 14 19:06:04 <rev> i don't need ftp, it just is the easiest thing for bulk file downloading
May 14 19:06:22 <rev> sftp would be just dandy
May 14 19:06:30 <rev> but downloading individual files is hell
May 14 19:06:42 <rev> and uploading them via a web interface is hell
May 14 19:07:05 <Pupnik> zip/tar them then... this one allows ftp http://files-upload.com/
May 14 19:07:05 <k-s[WORK]> wtf... is there no binutils dev packages for maemo?
May 14 19:07:22 <rev> the zip thing was mostly whining on my part, that isn't the biggest problem
May 14 19:07:38 <rev> but i do often have problems getting files from those free hosting services to my nokia or my CE phone
May 14 19:07:44 <rev> for various reasons
May 14 19:13:37 <mubelacker> rev: i use differernt email accounts to send file between n770/800, Symbian (9510i), ipaq and palm 20 megs should be no problem
May 14 19:14:21 <rev> mubelacker: i've tried gmail to do that, but gmail rejects any .exe files, be them renamed, zipped, gziped, i think i even tried bzip2ing them
May 14 19:16:10 <mmiller> rev: Why not setup a webserver on your MAC?
May 14 19:16:55 <rev> mmiller: that is what i used to do, but i recently switched from cable to DSL- as far as I've been able to tell, here in DSLland (qwest at least) they block ALL ports
May 14 19:17:20 <keesj> rev sure
May 14 19:17:24 <rev> mmiller: not just port 80, which cable blocked, but 445, 8800, 8000, 8823, 8443, and a few others i've tried for various services
May 14 19:17:58 <mmiller> rev: Do you have wireless on your MAC?
May 14 19:18:22 <rev> mmiller: yeah
May 14 19:18:41 <mmiller> rev: why not setup a ad-hoc network between your N800 and Notebook?
May 14 19:18:44 * rev just tried DCCing no dice
May 14 19:18:51 <rev> mmiller: i'm in not physically at my mac
May 14 19:19:09 <rev> mmiller: on the phone with my wife, who is at home
May 14 19:20:59 <rev> woot
May 14 19:21:02 <rev> a friend hooked me up
May 14 19:21:05 <rev> thanks for the ideas all
May 14 19:21:19 <mubelacker> rev: with your gmail account you can open a free website on pages.google.com
May 14 19:22:21 <rev> mubelacker: how do you transfer files to it? annoying single-file web interface?
May 14 19:33:36 <mubelacker> rev: there is a web interface
May 14 19:34:21 <mubelacker> rev: with webcreator and 100 MB
May 14 19:36:42 <rev> mubelacker: but uploading files or just creating a page:?
May 14 19:37:49 <mubelacker> uploading files is possible
May 14 19:52:18 <trevarthan> IMO, the n800 needs vibrate and possibly a message waiting indicator to be a useful IM client or VoIP phone.
May 14 20:36:11 <mmiller> Anyone know if the N800 supports SDHC cards?
May 14 20:36:59 <b0unc3> mmiller: yes, with the right kernel...
May 14 20:37:15 <mmiller> humm
May 14 20:37:33 <mmiller> Do you know of normal SD cards are made larger than 2 GB?
May 14 20:37:53 <gla55> some are, but they're non-standard
May 14 20:37:53 <b0unc3> yes, I have a 4gb sd card
May 14 20:38:02 <mmiller> Ahh ok
May 14 20:38:24 <mmiller> I wanted to use a 4GB SDHC card with the current 2007 OS release.
May 14 20:38:32 <mmiller> It does not work at all..
May 14 20:38:54 <mmiller> So I'm now thinking I'm going to have to buy two 2 GB cards to get 4 GB.
May 14 20:39:14 <bill20r3> afair there's a patched kernel that supports 4g cards.
May 14 20:39:18 <mmiller> I e-mailed nokia and I have yet to hear from the,.
May 14 20:41:01 <mmiller> s/the/them
May 14 20:42:16 <mmiller> I did get a e-mail from nokia asking for me to fill out a "Nokia Customer Satisfaction Survey"
May 14 20:43:14 <mmiller> It's funny I get a request to fill out a survey when no one has e-mailed me an answer to my question.
May 14 20:54:14 <unique311> anybody usb host mode with n800?
May 14 20:54:35 <unique311> using https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/
May 14 20:55:33 <unique311> i have the pieces...wjust want to save 100 dollars...if i can get that working i don't have to buy a bluetooth keyboard...
May 14 21:13:46 <Ayoze> hi all
May 14 21:14:05 <Pupnik> owwww Ted Stevens on Net Neutrality owwwwwww
May 14 21:14:42 <Ayoze> I've got a  n770, and I've just flashed the 2006 release... Then I connect the usb to my PC, and the USB icon is not appearing in the tablet, does anybody know what could be happening?
May 14 21:15:31 <Pupnik> close any programs accessing the mmc card or reboot device
May 14 21:16:07 <Pupnik> then reconnect
May 14 21:16:19 <Ayoze> ok :)
May 14 21:17:41 <Pupnik> device will not allow usb access to mmc card if any programs are accessing files on the mmc
May 14 21:18:24 <Ayoze> I've rebooted the device, and nothing changed Pupnik
May 14 21:19:54 <Pupnik> what OS is running on the pc?
May 14 21:20:29 <Ayoze> linux
May 14 21:20:47 <Pupnik> does 'lsusb' show anything?
May 14 21:21:34 <||cw> check dmesg too
May 14 21:21:34 <Ayoze> hmmm well, if I put the usb periphehal mode, it works
May 14 21:21:49 <Ayoze> but in the host mode, it doesnt show the icon
May 14 21:22:00 <||cw> I've seen some dsitro's that require modprobing comes charset modules
May 14 21:22:07 <||cw> um
May 14 21:22:21 <||cw> if the 770 is in host mode, you can't plug it into a pc
May 14 21:22:43 <||cw> 'cause then your got 2 hosts on the bus and usb doens't like that
May 14 21:24:35 <Ayoze> hmmmm... ok
May 14 21:24:52 <Ayoze> I've made a wire to connect a usb periphehal to the tablet
May 14 21:25:00 <Ayoze> if I connect it, it would show the icon?
May 14 21:25:52 <||cw> assuming you inject power to the device, and the 770 has drivers for it, you will be able to use it
May 14 21:26:01 <||cw> how you use it depends on what it is
May 14 21:26:56 <Ayoze> ok :)
May 14 21:26:58 <unique311> 200+ people in this channel.......
May 14 21:27:13 <unique311> 190 idles
May 14 21:27:23 <unique311> or watchers
May 14 21:27:51 <||cw> that's not so unusual
May 14 21:28:38 <unique311> leave the watching for the angels such as loke
May 14 21:29:19 <unique311> everyone in the channel i command to speak...
May 14 21:32:20 * ||cw silently notes the silence
May 14 21:34:49 <unique311> they did the opposite
May 14 21:35:49 <unique311> lets try some reverse psychology
May 14 21:36:27 <unique311> everyone in the channel i command not to speak
May 14 21:36:30 <unique311> well type
May 14 22:16:09 <bipolar> has anyone ever used qemu to emulate the n800's cpu, and built a system for it?
May 14 22:16:23 <bipolar> I'd like to get a whole debian armel enviroment going on it.
May 14 22:20:27 <koen> bipolar: you can't emulate armv6 and armv7 without getting sued by ARM ltd
May 14 22:21:20 <koen> people that have the knowledge to implement it had to sign an NDA with ARM....
May 14 22:21:30 <bipolar> wow....
May 14 22:22:12 <bipolar> koen: Is there another compatible arm spec that qemu can run?
May 14 22:22:21 <bipolar> to build armel packages?
May 14 22:22:21 <koen> which is why scratchbox doesn't like some of the nokia binaries
May 14 22:22:34 <koen> bipolar: armv5te (n770) or armv4t
May 14 22:22:45 <koen> bipolar: and of course you can cross-compile :)
May 14 22:23:23 <bipolar> koen: yeah, crosscompiling would work, but then I'd have to transfer the bin's to the n800 to test
May 14 22:23:52 <bipolar> koen: can bins compiled for armv5te work on the n800's proc?
May 14 22:23:58 <koen> yes
May 14 22:24:06 <koen> it's like i586 and i686
May 14 22:24:16 <bipolar> so it's not as optimized?
May 14 22:24:30 <koen> sort off
May 14 22:24:33 <bipolar> ok
May 14 22:24:41 <koen> you can turn on vfp for armv5 as well
May 14 22:25:34 <maddler> evening...
May 14 22:27:42 <bipolar> koen: I take it you've done this before?
May 14 22:27:58 <bipolar> or do you just know what you're talking about? :)
May 14 22:29:21 <koen> bipolar: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html and search for my name :)
May 14 22:30:33 <bipolar> koen: nice... I'm glad guys like you are around to help n00bs
May 14 23:15:56 <bipolar> koen: are there any existing debian armel host images for qemu available anywhere that you know of? I've been unable to find one. Just tar'ed up file systems.
May 15 01:06:23 <Pupnik_> yahoo censors Ron Paul - screenshot http://www.stateofbrain.com/images/rpyahoo1.gif
May 15 01:08:18 <Pupnik_> also http://www.stateofbrain.com/images/rpyahoo2.gif
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