**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 15 02:59:58 2007 May 15 03:52:59 about the armv6 binaries: I use mainly sbrsh. No qemu problems (some other problems exist though, but not that much..) May 15 03:55:13 kulve: what will be happen if i not using qemu? May 15 03:57:47 kulve : sorry, i still cant got the meaning of qemu, just wanna know if is it possible May 15 04:10:42 if you compile a binary in sb (like hello world), it's an ARM binary. Your PC cannot run it as is. That's why sb uses qemu to run the ARM binaries. Another possibility is sbrsh (which have been longer in sb than qemu, iirc), which uses NFS to transfer the rootfs to the actual device and runs the binaries there transparently. May 15 04:12:10 i.e. you can compile simple apps easily without the need to run anything. But e.g. configure(.ac) makes a bunch of tests to see what kind of environment it's running. So then you need something to run those ARM binaries that configure makes May 15 04:31:32 thnks May 15 07:23:13 robtaylor: ping? May 15 07:23:39 robtaylor: if you're interested, there's now a devkit with all the debian tools upgraded to etch May 15 07:24:08 (or if anyone else is) May 15 07:24:57 still no official release, but the testings version is available at http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ May 15 07:26:35 -s May 15 07:27:20 note too, that it's not officially supported to all the latest tools in current maemo environment :) May 15 07:27:41 there might be some issues with gconf if using debhelper 5, for example May 15 07:28:22 jumpula: did you test any maemo stuff? May 15 07:29:30 some. but not nearly everything. they will be tested completely in the near future. May 15 07:30:01 enough to know about the gconf issue, for example :] May 15 07:31:26 if i get myself to it, i might try a complete build and see what issues come up May 15 07:32:02 like in this week, if i got the time.. May 15 07:32:11 oh, good to see that there's interest in fixing up some of the packaging warts. May 15 07:32:20 Mithrandir: there is May 15 07:32:27 what's a useful way to submit patches for those problems? May 15 07:32:52 Mithrandir: you mean patches for scratchbox, of patches for packages themselves May 15 07:32:52 bugzilla, or mailing list or something else? May 15 07:33:14 for packages themselves; I'm actually working on the Ubuntu mobile bits where we are using maemo packages. May 15 07:33:25 so I don't care that much about scratchbox itself. May 15 07:33:33 Mithrandir: bugzilla May 15 07:33:47 okie May 15 07:33:49 thanks May 15 07:34:10 of=or May 15 07:34:23 i can't type. it's too early. May 15 07:34:36 should be asleep still :] May 15 07:35:12 and you're a timezone ahead of me even. May 15 07:35:15 jumpula: do you really need to use ~ in the file name? May 15 07:35:16 I should find some breakfast. May 15 07:36:28 keesj: for test builds, yes May 15 07:36:42 1.0~1 is smaller than 1.0 for debian May 15 07:36:42 oke , just asking :p May 15 07:36:58 so, if 1.0 get's released, apt will update the package May 15 07:37:26 crackfully enough, with ~ you can have version numbers less than 0 (but bigger than -0). May 15 07:37:35 not the most appealing character, i agree but the only one i could find that works that way :) May 15 07:37:50 Mithrandir: yup May 15 07:53:25 Morning, all May 15 07:58:37 Hi May 15 08:42:23 good morning May 15 08:57:11 hello May 15 09:08:05 Is there a reason wget might freeze up ~4M into a download everytime, when saving to an SD card? May 15 09:48:34 hello May 15 09:48:59 hi all May 15 09:49:43 hi guys May 15 09:49:49 does anybody know how to get a complete FIASCO image from all(!) partitions(initfs, rootds, etc...) from a n800?? May 15 09:50:56 i want to play around on my n800 and when i'm finished i want to be able to 'deploy' it as an image you can flash with flasher May 15 09:51:23 s/rootds/rootfs/g May 15 09:51:25 boot from mmc May 15 09:51:39 then you can make a rootfs.jffs2 out of it May 15 09:51:47 but I think you cannot make one from the flash May 15 09:52:00 how did the hackers-edition do that? May 15 09:52:11 they also deploy one .bin with all fs in it May 15 09:53:03 I think there's no such public tool that creates a fiasco May 15 09:54:01 :( May 15 09:54:12 yeah May 15 09:55:12 but you can install rootfs or initfs with the flasher with one command.. May 15 09:56:09 i'll google a bit more - maybe i find a possibility to get a fiasco May 15 09:56:53 be sure to document it, if you find a way.. May 15 09:58:04 Does 0xFFFF support fiasco images? May 15 09:58:34 If so, I guess you can see from it's sources how the image is built and just reverse the operation =) May 15 09:59:24 I would guess that it doesn't May 15 10:00:37 The name is Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher May 15 10:00:42 Which would indicate that it does May 15 10:01:19 hmm.. yeah, I might be wrong here May 15 10:02:15 ic May 15 10:04:50 http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ is down :( May 15 10:05:06 noticed... :( May 15 10:05:16 google cache shows some parts of it at least May 15 10:06:10 Make GtkMenu scroll arrows scroll by item. Fixes: NB#56638 May 15 10:06:13 Nice :) May 15 10:07:28 Yay; and there's the expectation of a new firmware on 29th June May 15 10:07:44 based on what? May 15 10:08:27 Cairo 1.4.6 is also in sardine now. Interesting.. May 15 10:08:27 That's the latest date that Skype could be released to meet the 1H2007 committment, and big releases drive firmware (it seems, see Rhapsody release) May 15 10:08:35 ^kulve: May 15 10:09:18 oh, those deadlines.. And those have never been missed.. May 15 10:09:48 Don't think they have, they've just been at the latest date in the vague window. May 15 10:21:28 harr.... found something...: May 15 10:21:54 http://web.archive.org/web/20060502154309/http://www.nopcode.org/ May 15 10:22:22 there he writes a alternative way to access his page because he has probs with his isp or so... May 15 10:41:45 very nice: tecnoballz dev got back to me with info i need for the port May 15 10:52:29 jumpula: brilliant! May 15 10:52:55 * robtaylor just hopes the osso guys start using it =) May 15 10:58:31 maemo-hackers vte should now support 256 colors! May 15 10:58:44 If anyone cares to test, I'd appreciate May 15 11:00:28 robtaylor: they will. i will insist :) May 15 11:04:07 jumpula: heh :) May 15 11:31:32 Anyone know exactly which model of c55x DSP is present in the N800 (or 770 for that matter)? Or how to find out? May 15 11:36:10 I don't, but why are you interested on that? May 15 11:38:34 To use the chip support library, I'll need to know which variant the chip is May 15 11:40:04 "chip support library"? May 15 11:40:11 http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru433j/spru433j.pdf May 15 11:40:17 somehow I think those c55x chips should be very compatible.. May 15 11:40:29 lardman: in the n800 its the OMAP2420and 770 is 1710 May 15 11:40:43 Yes, I imagine so, and there are only a half dozen variants of the DSP May 15 11:41:11 robtaylor: thanks, but I can't find any details of the variant of the DSP that goes in each OMAP May 15 11:41:18 robtaylor: and both omaps has the same dsp, tms320c55sx May 15 11:41:20 -s May 15 11:42:10 I'm new to the nokia770 developper world, but... is there a way to turn off the invisible mode of the bluetooth ? May 15 11:42:32 Copolycube: Yes, though I can't remember what the change is May 15 11:43:13 Copolycube: A change to the conf file iirc May 15 11:43:19 because googling it didn't gave me much of an answer. May 15 11:44:26 Try the mailing lists and the maemo wiki May 15 11:44:37 Searching the mailing list that is May 15 11:44:58 ok May 15 11:45:03 Thanks May 15 11:46:47 Regarding the CSL, I think I'll need to link against it to access the audio codec. I still need to have a proper read of the docs in the Ti DDK. May 15 11:48:51 Copolycube: What version are you running (hw & software)? May 15 11:49:21 Copolycube: You can use the BT applet on the topbar to enable/disable visibility on my N800 May 15 11:50:02 "< Copolycube> I'm new to the nokia770" May 15 11:50:16 ah ha May 15 11:50:25 nokia 770 May 15 11:50:35 for the hw May 15 11:50:40 Well, I don't have my 770 here, but I thought that this option was added in one of the later updates May 15 11:51:56 Easy way to check, on the n800 there's a bluetooth control panel applet with the option May 15 11:53:14 If you install OS2007on770, non-invisible Bluetooth is built-in, as lardman says May 15 11:53:36 Jaffa: But it's not an option on the standard releases? May 15 11:55:15 Not without some /etc poking IIRC. May 15 11:55:50 Then you need sdptool, and even then I couldn't do any Obex file transfers May 15 11:59:31 Does sdpd need to be running? I imagine so: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto-bluetoothnetworking/ May 15 11:59:55 not quite the right topic, but tells you how to get sdpd running May 15 12:00:48 hello May 15 12:03:12 lardman: yeah, but still couldn't do anything useful with my Windows laptop May 15 12:04:08 Jaffa: Fair enough. There must be a missing link then, my N800 can happily receive and send files to mobile phones. May 15 12:24:31 is RSS of p.g.o totally broken ? May 15 12:24:35 p.m.o May 15 12:25:49 svu, "call to a member on non-object" -- yes it is May 15 12:29:39 sweet May 15 12:32:46 is wpa_supplicant available for the nokia 770 ? May 15 13:27:48 lardman|lunch: yeah, on the N800 Bluetooth file sending works exactly how I want without extra fiddling. It was only on OS 2006 it was a pain May 15 14:06:41 does anyone of you have a libsdl-gfx build in his hands?? May 15 14:07:17 i have some source wich uses rotatzoom.h and so on... May 15 14:15:28 hi not I May 15 14:15:47 what game uses libsdl-gfx? May 15 14:59:24 bye cya soon May 15 14:59:44 @Pupnik_: it is not a game May 15 14:59:46 ;) May 15 15:00:29 it is a software for disabled's i've developed for another mobile device and i'm trying to port now onto the n800 May 15 15:21:01 bye May 15 17:43:25 is there an r&d mode with root access etc in n800? where are the instructions to put it into r&d mode? May 15 17:47:32 gainroot. install. terminal. "sudo gainroot" May 15 17:50:55 i have a problem apt-get update within scratchbox...clean install on ubuntu feisty ..i made the change to /etc/nsswitch.conf recommended here May 15 17:51:08 http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-February/007863.html May 15 17:51:21 but still no joy...anyone any ideas? May 15 17:55:19 ian_brasil_: you changed both nssswitch.conf files May 15 17:55:56 yes May 15 18:39:34 ian_brasil_, IIRC you should change /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf on the host, not /etc/nsswitch.conf on target May 15 18:41:09 ok, i will try that May 15 18:42:24 that's the second nsswitch.conf what I mean in my comment.. May 15 18:42:27 +t May 15 18:44:12 that works....thx very much May 15 18:58:27 dragorn, i did write sudo gainroot. it says "enable RD mode ...". where are the instructions how to enable the R&D mode? May 15 18:59:35 how about red-pill mode: how to enable that one? (needed according to openssh instructions) May 15 19:02:21 okay. found instructions for red-pill mode May 15 19:12:09 molkko: flasher -h May 15 19:37:38 ok. r&d more and redpills etc work ok. is there webserver with php ready-to-use package for n800 somewhere? May 15 20:10:09 hello! May 15 20:10:34 molkko: there should be a ngix package... and php5 May 15 20:39:01 hey fucks May 15 22:02:35 hi May 15 22:49:26 hah May 15 22:49:31 hahahaha May 15 22:49:50 you people work on a little piece of hardware May 15 22:50:12 and other people work to enslave you and threaten you with electrocution of the testicles May 15 22:50:15 ok... May 15 22:50:21 we are talking about maemo May 15 22:50:39 and people are threatening us with electrocution May 15 22:50:50 what is the first order of business? May 15 22:51:49 my suggestion is we eliminate the threat of the psychopaths May 15 22:52:13 who want to peel the skin of of people and stick electrodes up our anuses May 15 22:52:16 * shackan_ suggests to ignore the troll May 15 22:52:23 that would be the first order of businesses May 15 22:52:35 shackan_: look at US politics May 15 22:52:51 then, after the threat to our anuses is eliminated May 15 22:52:59 we can talk about software again May 15 22:53:11 just a humble suggestion... i will stop now May 15 22:53:43 if you want to talk about politics, go to #debian May 15 22:53:54 give me your home address May 15 22:54:00 and we can talk about politics May 15 22:54:23 politics is force May 15 22:54:26 and torture May 15 22:54:34 want to meet me? May 15 22:54:41 want to meet bush's cia? May 15 22:54:49 or do you want to stop them? May 15 22:55:22 they are torturing people without trial right now May 15 22:55:33 "oh it does not belong in maemo" May 15 22:55:37 maaaaaaaaeh May 15 22:55:53 that's exactly what you will say when they stick a burning stick up your ass May 15 22:56:06 "i'm a maemo developer! maaaaaaaaaeeeeeh!" May 15 22:56:24 what relevance will it have to your software development May 15 22:56:35 when people stick burining rods up your ass? May 15 22:56:43 anr you want to program software? May 15 22:56:50 not much relevane? May 15 22:57:02 oh dolfun is not relevant to maemo software? May 15 22:57:11 consider that May 15 22:57:51 american torture is not relevant to your life May 15 22:57:58 You have been registered and located in Germany - Berlin May 15 22:57:59 until they start ripping your body apart May 15 22:58:01 for no reason May 15 22:58:08 dolfun: troll woanders. May 15 22:58:17 kein troll May 15 22:58:21 die machen das May 15 22:58:29 ist wichtig May 15 22:58:44 es interessiert wirklich niemanden. May 15 22:58:51 oh wo wohnst du May 15 22:59:09 ich kanns sehr bald relevant machen May 15 22:59:42 du auch May 15 22:59:53 kannst behaupten ich waere irgend ein terrorist May 15 23:00:03 und schon sind meine sachen beschlagnamt May 15 23:00:14 und meine ganze projeckte im arsch May 15 23:00:21 nur ne kleine anzeige May 15 23:01:19 es interresiert niemanden May 15 23:01:29 ausser die leute die gefoletert wurden May 15 23:01:37 lol du gummi baer idiot May 15 23:02:09 fucking scheisskopf May 15 23:02:22 interrriesiert die 600,000 toten May 15 23:02:40 and we talk about protocols May 15 23:02:51 and our governments support mass murder May 15 23:02:54 with bush May 15 23:03:00 no excuse May 15 23:03:08 wenn du was bewegen willst ist das eine gute sache May 15 23:03:11 aber da bist du hier falsch May 15 23:03:14 nein May 15 23:03:24 bastel dirn molotovcocktail und renn in den reichstag May 15 23:03:52 ich hoer auf jetzt May 15 23:04:08 aber gewalt ist nicht erlaubt May 15 23:04:20 das grundgesetz ermächtigt dich May 15 23:04:27 §20.4 oder so May 15 23:04:29 oder .3 May 15 23:04:53 i apologise for my drunk / besoffen anger May 15 23:05:15 i care about people and i want to reduce the pain and death May 15 23:05:40 if you want to test me, we can arrange something May 15 23:05:57 i will kill myself if there is enough publicity May 15 23:10:39 WTF May 15 23:10:54 K, what is going on... May 15 23:12:15 dolfun, life is beautiful man, You woke up this morning be happy....don't worry about the worlds politics and injustice...let the politicians worry about that. May 15 23:12:31 unless otherwise you are a politician...then go ahead and worry.... May 15 23:12:54 hello everybody else.... May 15 23:13:23 channel has been inactive lately...more developing less talking, huh... May 15 23:14:24 I really wonder what drugs he's on May 15 23:14:31 no wait, I don't May 15 23:15:00 called alcohol.... May 15 23:15:18 been there...but not hating life there...or the world... May 15 23:15:23 just fucked up.... May 15 23:16:30 hes like at what i call border of just being wasted...where life seems uncool to him....a couple of more bottles or shots, and wasted will follow.. May 16 00:27:35 Anyone here have experience with ext3? May 16 00:27:39 On a flash drive? May 16 00:44:02 hello folks May 16 00:58:41 hello May 16 00:59:29 so im going to ask the question again....anyone tried the usb host hack for the n800 yet? May 16 00:59:42 not really... May 16 00:59:46 i just have a 770 May 16 01:00:40 compiled anything new to share? May 16 01:01:12 well..im updaling a test version of my game right now May 16 01:01:17 but its not on maemo yet May 16 01:01:34 you working on the tron game correct? May 16 01:01:38 (ive tested it on the 770...it was a older version..worked...but quite slowly) May 16 01:01:42 sure May 16 01:01:47 its almost done May 16 01:01:48 actually May 16 01:01:50 its don May 16 01:01:51 how is that going? May 16 01:01:51 done May 16 01:01:57 but I must optimize it first May 16 01:02:00 vid or screenshot? May 16 01:02:05 its quite slow on device... May 16 01:02:49 well any new screenies? May 16 01:02:55 some screens: May 16 01:02:56 http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/angstron-alpha-2-on-its-way/ May 16 01:03:01 this post is somewhat old May 16 01:03:07 but has some nice shots May 16 01:04:01 color... May 16 01:04:03 nice May 16 01:04:49 yeah...and the game is HARD! May 16 01:04:55 its FUN! May 16 01:05:05 ...and predicatable =-P May 16 01:05:40 great work.... May 16 01:05:42 once you know how to beat the opponent, it becomes a lot easier to beat him agaim with the same strategy May 16 01:06:02 i've manage to compile a paint program for maemo.... May 16 01:06:21 but when it comes to hildonizing May 16 01:06:24 im lost May 16 01:06:34 so i just use it as it is.. May 16 01:07:15 I also did a paint program with SDL (I guess its the hello world of the touchscreen plataforms...I did the same with Windows CE 1.0 way back ago ;-) ) May 16 01:07:21 take a look: http://rapidshare.com/files/31543109/angstron.zip.html May 16 01:08:20 http://www.divshare.com/ May 16 01:08:34 find better upload, and download speeds.. May 16 01:08:39 big files size May 16 01:08:43 good! May 16 01:08:55 made 2 groups on it already May 16 01:09:01 maemo and n800 May 16 01:09:50 rapidshare got to technical... May 16 01:10:12 no limit on divshare...and no 5 mintue wait time to dl another file.. May 16 01:10:53 thats great! May 16 01:10:58 bookmarked May 16 01:11:06 np May 16 01:11:18 don't forget to join the groups May 16 01:17:10 also had a gimp src for zaurus compiled..working....but the guys at #gimp, were not to happy i chose an old version of it to compile... May 16 01:17:33 worked on Maemo?! May 16 01:17:42 yes May 16 01:17:53 COOL! May 16 01:18:02 open 3 windows May 16 01:18:06 can you get me the deb? May 16 01:18:39 lets see if i still have it hanging around... May 16 01:19:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2jVHqvDW5M May 16 01:19:14 heres a vid May 16 01:25:09 watching May 16 01:25:45 bad video... May 16 01:25:47 found it May 16 01:36:33 unique331: the splash shows TheGimp 2.0?! May 16 01:36:38 how can it be old!? May 16 01:36:50 its not bleeding new , but its quite new! May 16 01:37:07 my desktop gimp is 2.2! May 16 01:37:45 http://www.divshare.com/download/653260-f0a May 16 01:37:51 here it is May 16 01:38:05 i know its like 2.0.2 or 3 May 16 01:38:44 are you pupnik?! May 16 01:38:46 going to also upload the src that worked for me to the group maemo on divshare May 16 01:38:50 no May 16 01:38:58 Pupnik has been MIA May 16 01:41:20 MIA?! May 16 01:41:25 missing in action?! May 16 01:41:29 yeah May 16 01:41:46 he came in earlier said whats up fuckers and exited... May 16 01:42:15 hahahha May 16 01:42:17 ok May 16 01:42:25 let me kno w if the binary i gave u the link to work... May 16 01:42:33 its compiled for bora May 16 01:43:08 im using gregalle May 16 01:43:12 it may not work May 16 01:43:16 maybe the source will May 16 01:43:41 hold on May 16 01:45:01 ok =-) May 16 01:45:28 http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/1.1.0/src/mirror1.pdaxrom.org/source/src/gimp-2.0.4.tar.bz2 May 16 01:47:02 thanks! May 16 01:48:05 --withough-print... something like that/ make sure you run ./configure --help May 16 01:48:14 it will not compile with print May 16 01:48:32 forgot the flags i used.. May 16 01:48:33 sad May 16 01:48:38 going to try to recreate May 16 01:48:40 dont worry May 16 01:48:50 I will dig on that later May 16 02:04:42 Is /media/mmc1 the internal card on the N800? May 16 02:04:53 mmc2 is on my n800 May 16 02:04:59 mmc1 is the external May 16 02:05:10 zakx: Thanks May 16 02:05:23 you're welcom May 16 02:05:24 e May 16 02:09:49 So, I'm booting off of the internal memory card on my N800. Unfortunately, it seems that this prevents me from mounting the other partition on the internal card via the USB cable. Anyone know a way around this? May 16 02:20:33 technically, the n800 would umount both sd cards before making them available through usb May 16 02:20:53 if the umount fails, the partition won't be shared via usb-storage May 16 02:21:16 as you're booting off it, it can't umount the card. May 16 02:21:58 guess you'd have to change some code anywhere to change behaviour, as the n800 usually expects sd-cards to just have 1 partition May 16 02:43:12 zakx: Any idea where it does that umount? May 16 02:43:36 i'd install sysklogd and check /var/log/syslog May 16 02:52:18 TEH w00t May 16 02:52:49 zakx: I did it. in /etc/init.d/ke-recv, change all instances of mmcblk0 to mmcblk0p1 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 16 02:59:57 2007